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Universal Music Group Sues MJ Estate! (MJ Singing R Kelly Song)

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Dangerous Incorporated said:
What is your source for this as this link which includes a new report from Holland doesnt agree with you.

http://mediatakeout.com/2010/23047-...hael_jacksons_hit_song_you_are_not_alone.html

and here:


http://www.internationallawoffice.com/newsletters/detail.aspx?g=f1448147-08a8-4a08-8dd1-031860ebeed7
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Why are you citing mediatakeout? :lol:

You missed this tidbit- It calculated that the melodic similarity of the works was 43.46% and held that this degree of similarity could be mere coincidence.

R. Kelly couldn't back his claims because he only had the final score. When he does collabs with other artists he usually goes into the studio and do the whole song infront the artist. The thing is why didn't this Belgium group sue after the song hit #1 in almost every country? Why so many years later? The fact that a musicologist found only a 43.46% similarity speaks more volumes then a court ruling him guilty for plagiarism just because he didn't have a demo in hand. MJ and R. produced the track together and R. Kelly wrote it himself. The way R. Kelly creates his music is difficult to understand that's mostly why I find this whole plagiarism crap BS. Besides this has nothing to do with the topic. MJ loved R. Kelly and R. Kelly loves MJ.

Geez! Some of you are so quick to attack others when it's not necessary :sigh:
 
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I don't think R Kelly would do this. I just saw a clip on youtube of a tribute he did for Michael and Paris and it was heartbreaking.
 
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R Kelly said he cried when he heard Mike sing this song, I'm sure he wouldn't do this, especially when you listen to his 'Billie Jean Dream' tribute on You tube. Universal are pathetic, they are the biggest music publishing company in the world, $3,000 (£1,400) is nothing to them! Is it even worth the effort?
 
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trueiopian said:
Why are you citing mediatakeout? :lol:

You missed this tidbit- It calculated that the melodic similarity of the works was 43.46% and held that this degree of similarity could be mere coincidence.

R. Kelly couldn't back his claims because he only had the final score. When he does collabs with other artists he usually goes into the studio and do the whole song infront the artist. The thing is why didn't this Belgium group sue after the song hit #1 in almost every country? Why so many years later? The fact that it musicologist found only a 43.46% similarity speaks more volumes then a court ruling him guilty for plagiarism just because he didn't have a demo in hand. MJ and R. produced the track together and R. Kelly wrote it himself. The way R. Kelly creates his music is difficult to understand that's mostly why I find this whole plagiarism crap BS. Besides this has nothing to do with the topic. MJ loved R. Kelly and R. Kelly loves MJ.

Geez! Some of you are so quick to attack others when it's not necessary :sigh:
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Attack? Where did I say on thing neg to you? :scratch:

You must have missed the decision. Might wanna read or reread it ;)

And you have yet to prove a link stating otherwise. Then Id consider it. But so far all Ive seen is that R.Kelly was found guilty.
 
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Well this thread went to hell pretty fast...:cheeky:
 
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Reading this thread was like listening to a broken record.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Attack? Where did I say on thing neg to you? :scratch:

You must have missed the decision. Might wanna read or reread it ;)

And you have yet to prove a link stating otherwise. Then Id consider it. But so far all Ive seen is that R.Kelly was found guilty.
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I wasn't talking about myself.

I've read this before :smilerolleyes: The song is banned in Belgium, Germany.

Link to what? I already stated that his creative process is different from your average writer/producer and in the article it states that song is most likely a coincidence.
 
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Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
That clip has been around for seven years and they just now have something to say about it? Why didn't they sue when Michael was alive? They had to have known about this even then. The timing makes no sense to me.
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Yep.

sloride said:
The few things I don't get with this is that PHM aired years ago, why did Universal not sue anyone then, why now? And why are they sueing MJ's estate, FOX aired it, sue them.
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Yep.

trueiopian said:
:lmao:

You wish!

MJ's private home videos where shown in 2003. Ignition (remix) came out in '02 and was a major hit then and still till this day is getting recurrent plays worldwide and trust it has nothing to do with MJ shoulder bopping to it.
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While that may be true...The first time I saw PHM, I only vaguely recognized the song and I definitely had no idea it was R. Kelly's. Since then, I've gotten into it and even downloaded it so that I could jam out to it in my car, LoL. So...while I may not represent most people, he sure has MJ to thank for getting my attention. I'm pretty sure that, previously, the last thing I bought from R. Kelly was the "Space Jam" soundtrack...:lol: No hate, I'm just sayin'.

wendy2004 said:
Not sure if R. Kelly has control of his own publishing in any way, but even if he doesn't, he should speak out against this. Name and shame. Tell the world YOU aren't THIS hard up and/or greedy for $$$$.
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Ferrealz.
 
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MJ doesn't sing the song. the song is playing on the radio, and the only voice heard is r Kelly's. there is no doubt universal is feeling the bad economy. obviously, they don't do well for business for themselves. they are envious, because MJ gets paid by publicity alone. it's funny that universal is playing that state farm commercial. if they don't want mJ to get the publicity, maybe they need to take the state farm ad off the air. if MJ's kids are benefitting, it's because he always put out good energy. if universal is hard up and struggling...the title of this thread is the reason why. and that goes for everybody else making a claim against the estate, and who sued MJ for so long.
 
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So all MJ had to do was edit that part out of the show and this would have been avoided, huh. *
Besides, unless there is more to that footage that I havent seen,
you never hear MJ sing the song. Sure, he states that they are stuck in rush
hour traffic and they were singing to the music playing, acting wild, being silly....
You do actually hear either Brett or the other person sing 1 or 2 lyrics but not MJ.

Dam,am I on the right page? :scratch:
 
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Marc Schaffel produced "Private Home Movies"
 
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trueiopian said:
:lmao:

You wish!

MJ's private home videos where shown in 2003. Ignition (remix) came out in '02 and was a major hit then and still till this day is getting recurrent plays worldwide and trust it has nothing to do with MJ shoulder bopping to it.
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you kidding me, too? i haven't heard the song, until after the show. i didn't hear it on the radio, till after the show. and people in the street talked about the show, when the song aired on the radio. MJ fans all over the place link the two situations together..so..obviously, MJ had a major effect on the song's popularity. last time i heard, the definition of a hit, is a song that people are talking about. they only talked about it, and played it AFTER the show. i know this, because i was at a party where the two situations were linked when the song was played. they were chanting MJ, not R kelly. i'm sure if u heard an Mj song get the airplay that u say ignition got, when u said it got it, u wouldn't have called the MJ song, a hit.
 
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trueiopian said:
I wasn't talking about myself.

I've read this before :smilerolleyes: The song is banned in Belgium, Germany.

Link to what? I already stated that his creative process is different from your average writer/producer and in the article it states that song is most likely a coincidence.
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No it says that R.Kelly claimed it was coincidence.

The case was taken to the Brussels Court of Appeal which is in the country of Belgium NOT Germany.

If the court found that it was likely a coincidence, then a decision to ban the song wouldnt have been made.
 
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OMG are u kiddin me. Really are you that hard pressed for cash. Unreal, I am so not feeling Kelly right now. Can't believe u dude. I though u was his friend, but oh yea Mike had none. This becomes more evident everyday. Yea and why now, and why MJ's estate. I am pissed.
 
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vncwilliam said:
you kidding me, too? i haven't heard the song, until after the show. i didn't hear it on the radio, till after the show. and people in the street talked about the show, when the song aired on the radio. MJ fans all over the place link the two situations together..so..obviously, MJ had a major effect on the song's popularity. last time i heard, the definition of a hit, is a song that people are talking about. they only talked about it, and played it AFTER the show. i know this, because i was at a party where the two situations were linked when the song was played. they were chanting MJ, not R kelly.
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:lol:

Please stop fooling yourself. Ignition (Remix) came out in 2002 and MJ's home videos in 2003. MJ was under public scrutiny in '03 because of the trials so the last thing MJ did was bring something back to popularity. Lets be reasonable. :mello: :smilerolleyes: So the song was a hit way before the home videos. Funny how you didn't hear the song on the radio till after the show and even MJ heard it before.
 
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athina_livadi said:
What are you talking about? Michael didn't USE the song because the song was played on the RADIO...hellooooo!!!
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Yes, the song came on the radio. Michael had someone filiming. If that was the end of it, there would be not be any discussion.

BUT that footage was used in a television broadcast. Since it was on television, it constitutes as a broadcast, just like the radio broadcast, therefore Mike needed permission to use the song. MJ made money off of the broadcast, therefore R. Kelly is entitled to money also.
 
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omg this is effffing ridiculous!!!! he was in his car, singing along to the song, BEING A HUMAN BEING!!!!!!!! people can be such jerks!!!!!!!!
 
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Why would he edit it out, they suppose to be boys. I am trying to give him some time to come out and say this was not him and just his lawyers or whatever. But he had to sign off on it, right. Everybody looking to cash in. I tell you this ish makes me sick, literally.
 
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trueiopian said:
:lol:

Please stop fooling yourself. Ignition (Remix) came out in 2002 and MJ's home videos in 2003. MJ was under public scrutiny in '03 because of the trials so the last thing MJ did was bring something back to popularity. Lets be reasonable. :mello: :smilerolleyes: So the song was a hit way before the home videos. Funny how you didn't hear the song on the radio till after the show and even MJ heard it before.
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MJ picked a lot of songs from obsucurity. i didn't hear it before. i listened to radio a lot. i didn't hear 'another one bites the dust'. MJ heard it, and told queen to record it, and it became a number 1 hit.

look..you're telling me, i wish it were true, that MJ helped this song? lol...hey..it's not mJ who was hard up and suing people. it's the others that were hard up and are suing the estate. i don't have to wish anything. MJ was the target of envy...not the other way around. i don't have a need for MJ to be more popular than he already was. that's your wishful thinking.

if u wanna go around denying what i saw at parties, and u didn't see at the parties i was at, go ahead. MJ made this song popular.

indeed...the denial of this, proves just how envied MJ really is. MJ really does remind me of Mozart. the envy is incredible.

MJ was always under scrutiny. that didn't keep him from living his life.
 
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omg R.Kelly, really? really? :doh: I don't even have anything else to say...just kinda shocked? idk... :/
 
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are you f**** kidding me?? I thought he was a genuine friend?!

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nvmd, just read it was universal that's suing. that makes more sense. Record companies $$$$$$$$$$$$

Anything
Anything
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
 
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vncwilliam said:
you kidding me, too? i haven't heard the song, until after the show. i didn't hear it on the radio, till after the show. and people in the street talked about the show, when the song aired on the radio. MJ fans all over the place link the two situations together..so..obviously, MJ had a major effect on the song's popularity. last time i heard, the definition of a hit, is a song that people are talking about. they only talked about it, and played it AFTER the show. i know this, because i was at a party where the two situations were linked when the song was played. they were chanting MJ, not R kelly. i'm sure if u heard an Mj song get the airplay that u say ignition got, when u said it got it, u wouldn't have called the MJ song, a hit.
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Really? :doh: lololol I am sooooo willing to throw MJ credit at every single turn. As huge as MJ is I still tell people that I think he is underated. I would credit MJ with inventing the cure for Polio if I could find a way to link him to it. I know Katherine had Polio as a child, so maybe there's still a chance to do that. But please believe us when we say MJ did not make Ignition a hit. I know how much we all love MJ, but to deny hard and factual evidence, such as Billboard Chart Position is just ludicrous.

Maybe MJ introduced the song to you, but some of us were quite familiar with the song before MJ was bopping to it in the car. Seriously.
 
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reecieboo23 said:
Really? :doh: lololol I am sooooo willing to throw MJ credit at every single turn. As huge as MJ is I still tell people that I think he is underated. I would credit MJ with inventing the cure for Polio if I could find a way to link him to it. I know Katherine had Polio as a child, so maybe there's still a chance to do that. But please believe us when we say MJ did not make Ignition a hit. I know how much we all love MJ, but to deny hard and factual evidence, such as Billboard Chart Position is just ludicrous.

Maybe MJ introduced the song to you, but some of us were quite familiar with the song before MJ was bopping to it in the car. Seriously.
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perhaps on a deep r and b scale..

u say, some of u..

i never heard it on pop radio.
i'm sure there were a lot of songs bopping on r and b radio that the mainstream audience didn't hear..but this blow up is something entirely different, that i'm talking about.

MJ doesn't need my help in what happened here. i'm just telling you what i saw, mainstream. it's not like MJ said to himself...'i'm gunna help an artist out, today'(though MJ was truly charitble) this was an impromptu moment, and the blowup, ever since, was something i could not avoid. everywhere i went, people were talking about it. and i heard u reference 'in da club'. now that's a different story. that was a pop hit, by itself. and i listened to the radio, and heard the fifty cent hit..but i did NOT hear the r kelly hit on pop radio.
 
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reecieboo23 said:
Sorry, I love MJ to pieces and I will try and give him credit for almost anything, but Ignition was a big hit independent of MJ's Private Home Movies, it went to #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 charts only to be denied by 50 Cent's In Da Club and we all know how HUGE that song was.
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I was jammin' to that song every time it came on the radio. ROFL... it always came on the radio on Friday because about the "weekend" part in the song. So I always thought the song was about having a good weekend? lmfao. I would sing the whole song, not even knowing what the lyrics meant. :lol: I was in I think 3rd or 4th grade? can't remember but yea...:scratch:
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
No it says that R.Kelly claimed it was coincidence.

The case was taken to the Brussels Court of Appeal which is in the country of Belgium NOT Germany.

If the court found that it was likely a coincidence, then a decision to ban the song wouldnt have been made.
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Yes, and also he said he never heard of the group. But the court also said that there's only about 43% similarity and that it most likely is a coincidence. I believe that. The only similarity is the melody. So many songs have similar melodies.

Oops! I meant JUST Belgium :doh: for some reason I thought Belgium was in Germany.

What are you talking about? The decision to ban the song was made because he only had the final score that was registered a month after the Belgium composers song was registered. If he had presented the demo that was recorded before June 1995 then it wouldn't have even been banned. If the court didn't find it a likely coincidence the Belgium composers could've sued R. Kelly for the rights of the song.
 
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