Just In: Conrad Murray Visits Michael Jackson's Final Resting Place

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i couldn't agree more.

even if Murray confessed and told the truth... took all his punishments willingly, apologized, etc... it would take me a long LONGG time to forgive... i don't even know if i could even then.

to me forgiving Murray is God's job, not mine. it's impossible for me to forgive that man. do i hate him....? hate would be an understatement, to be honest. i don't know what word to describe how i feel about him.

nothing he says or do will ever undo the damage.

I couldn't agree with YOU more.

I think what some of these "fans" fails to see is this.... Its only been 7 months. I keep waking up many days, thinking and feeling like the date was JUNE 26th.

Its only been 7 months, no one has taken responsibility for KILLING Michael.
This wasn't NATURAL, this was CAUSED. So I will give fans, some leeway on how they are feeling or expressing their emotions.

:hug: to all you guys and gals.
 
This time around I'm taking no shit. Who said those words. Some of you claim what Mike wanted. Mike stood up for himself. That does not mean he didn't love. He told Gloria Allred to go to hell. He told someone at the trial while he was in his truck to FecK You. Come on he didn't take the crap we thought he took off people. When he had enough, he would let you know it so stop with the holier than though bull. We are grieving fans you feel the way you feel and we feel the way we feel. Dammit.
 
Is it possible he feels guilt? I know this is kinda bold to say, but I think if Murray actually apologized, Michael would forgive him because that's just how he is/was. Michael always sacrificed his life to other people. I'm not saying it was right or that it's okay, but..I just get this feeling that Michael forgives him and that he's actually happier where he is now.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Murray is a total idiot who should never of had the pleasure and privilege to even be in MJ's presence and a part of his life.

In the end, like Michael said, it's all about L.O.V.E. You NEVER heard him say he HATED anyone, and truly mean it. Michael was not about hate, he was all about love. He had the biggest heart I've ever seen and so I think he was/is able to forgive anyone for anything.
 
Especially since you told the doctors you only gave him two separate milligrams of Atvin and left out the other stuff. Yeah would not to get caught lying to the cops
 
Good point, I agree with the fact that it may not have been the right time to do it.

Yes, friend, this was the worst moment to do so. He has had almost 8 (!!!!) months to do so. If it was my son who died in his hands (with or withou intention), I seriously wouldn't want him anywhere near my baby.

Thanks for understanding. I don't mean any wrong to you, I just wanted to mention this, because, you know, we are very sensitive right now and some comments might make some of us feel worst.

Thanks!!! :hug:
 
I think this is why we are in the medical profession taking care of people. I think it takes someone with 'empathy' to do a lot of what we do.

I try my best not to feel anger because it is unhealthy to my spirit. That doesn't mean I don't feel it at times, but I really try my hardest to be empathetic instead and understanding.

Thanks for that. I think there will be times that it will be very difficult but I know I'll have to keep things in perspective to do that job.

Yeah, the anger thing is really there right now. Maybe just because he's about to be charged and it's brought it all out. I can empathize that he made mistakes (albeit MANY mistakes) but at the same time I still want to see justice done. I know my being angry doesn't change anything, help anything or make it any better on myself though. So I'm trying....
 
Is it possible he feels guilt? I know this is kinda bold to say, but I think if Murray actually apologized, Michael would forgive him because that's just how he is/was. Michael always sacrificed his life to other people. I'm not saying it was right or that it's okay, but..I just get this feeling that Michael forgives him and that he's actually happier where he is now.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Murray is a total idiot who should never of had the pleasure and privilege to even be in MJ's presence and a part of his life.

In the end, like Michael said, it's all about L.O.V.E. You NEVER heard him say he HATED anyone, and truly mean it. Michael was not about hate, he was all about love. He had the biggest heart I've ever seen and so I think he was/is able to forgive anyone for anything.

Amen to that :) He was very stupied to do this kind of thing with such a high risk, but I feel if Michael was around, he would have forgiven him too.
 
Is it possible he feels guilt? I know this is kinda bold to say, but I think if Murray actually apologized, Michael would forgive him because that's just how he is/was. Michael always sacrificed his life to other people. I'm not saying it was right or that it's okay, but..I just get this feeling that Michael forgives him and that he's actually happier where he is now.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Murray is a total idiot who should never of had the pleasure and privilege to even be in MJ's presence and a part of his life.

In the end, like Michael said, it's all about L.O.V.E. You NEVER heard him say he HATED anyone, and truly mean it. Michael was not about hate, he was all about love. He had the biggest heart I've ever seen and so I think he was/is able to forgive anyone for anything.


YEAH it is very BOLD to say , becuase this only came after a strategy meeting with FOUR attorneys , and after his attroney blamed MJ over and over again , said his client was unaware of the 'unusual' problems jackson had . When he is about to be charged he pulls this stunt !!!! and some really believe he could be sorry


and Murray did not talk to the family Murray was approached by Latoya , she was the second family memeber to arrive and paris was screaming , told her why my father died and he had the best doctor beside him , he did not say much and RUN after that .
 
I think this is why we are in the medical profession taking care of people. I think it takes someone with 'empathy' to do a lot of what we do.

I try my best not to feel anger because it is unhealthy to my spirit. That doesn't mean I don't feel it at times, but I really try my hardest to be empathetic instead and understanding.


I do see where you are coming from.

I don't hate Murray, but I am very angry with him. For me, I would be able to empathy with him if he took responsibility with what he did. If he he did everything he could to save Michael, was straight to the LAPD, not try to put blame on Michael or other doctors, and did not try to be sympathetic to the general public, I could empathy with him.

I do not feel he meant any harm towards Michael and him given him the drug that killed him is secondary to me. I would still be angry with him over Michael's death, but I would at least know that everything that could of been done was done. However, since that is not the case, I will forever wonder if Michael would be alive now if Murray did everything he was suppose to do. And that is not fair Michael's family and me because no one can never have peace from that.

However, I refuse to hate him because it is a wasteful emotion that only bring harm to myself and I refuse to give someone like Murray that. I do hope he does feels sorry and carry his guilt until the day he dies. That would mean more to me than any prison sentence.
 
Oh my F***ING god???!!!!! Well it seems Dr. (infact no i refuse to call him that) It seems that evil vile man has achived what he wanted by this disgusting PR stunt, we now have Michael fans feeling sorry for him nice.................

That man should be nowhere near Michael, he has no right, the thought of him being anywhere near Michael makes me feel physically sick!! That is just disrespectful, and bang out of order OMFG I am so angry infact i am disgusted that he would even have the guts to do this?????????

To all the Murray supporters or whatever you class yourselves as, Yes Michael was a forgiving wonderful person that didnt have a bad bone in his body, this is one of the main reasons i respect and love him....... But can i just say you have no idea how Michael feels about this situation, You can not even say Michael would want me to forgive, because we will never know what or how he feels again because he is not hear, That man took him away from us and i will NEVER forgive him for that!!! I hope he Rots in jail for the rest of his life, the only reason i dont want him dead is because death is to good for him!!


 
YEAH it is very BOLD to say , becuase this only came after a strategy meeting with FOUR attorneys , and after his attroney blamed MJ over and over again , said his client was unaware of the 'unusual' problems jackson had . When he is about to be charged he pulls this stunt !!!! and some really believe he could be sorry


and Murray did not talk to the family Murray was approached by Latoya , she was the second family memeber to arrive and paris was screaming , told her why my father died and he had the best doctor beside him , he did not say much and RUN after that .


Since this is Toy, how much of that story is actually true.

Also, go easy on *Billie Jean*. She has been taking Michael's death hard and if she wants to believe that Murray truly is sorry, then that is her right. No need to belittle her statement.
 
Imagine using the person who died by your hands to help your case in court!! Why bring ET if you are only going to ask for forgiveness from the dead? Why bring ET if you wanted to have a quiet moment with the dead? Why bring ET if you only wanted to pay your respects to the dead? Fan groups visit Michael regularly and ET does not follow them there. How convenient that ET happened to be there when Murray went ONCE!! Lets look at his actions and continue to be critical about them. This is about the death of a HUMAN BEING and his sacred burial place should not be used for any PR purposes for the person who caused his death.
 
PEOPLE WHO STAND FOR NOTHING WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING. I am taking a stand on this here tonite. That man had no right to do that ask forgiveness in your heart not with cameras. You others believe what you will. Some people are just evil and have no remorse. Unfortunetly, there are those kind of people in this world.
 
I wouldn't mind if Murray went to FL to make peace and ask Michael for forgiveness. The thing that trips me out is the fact that he invited cameras along to film it. I don't even know if he invited cameras along. ET could have been secretly flying above head and following him around since he arrived in LA (just thinking out loud here). I hope it wasn't a PR thing, because if it was, then that was seriously disrespectful and low.
 
Well.... talking about forgiveness, that is such a private process. And I do mean it: process, with several stages, taking some time, not just an instant feeling.

I admire people who has already forgiven this man, but if you have that big heart (for you have to have it, I mean it!!), I hope you will also understand there are many of us who are not that strong. In fact, I would expect more understanding in this point from fellow fans, than from outsiders.

Do I hate that man? Honestly, I don't even know what I feel about him. I think I would got still and nub in front of him. Whatever I'll do would be useless.

I understand some of you might ask for patience and forgiveness, but you must agree the man has done all things to get us annoyed. That speech of him "going back to his normal life" and the use of some nasty media to make a circus around him is quite disgusting.

And he claims to be innocent, so... what am I suppossed to forgive this guy about? :mello:
 
Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than not caring about it at all i surpose.
how do we know he went to say sorry? he seems only sorry for himself. does he need cameras for him to "pay his respects". this man makes me sick.
 
If he didn't call him he knew cameras would be following his every move waiting for him to turn himself in. Hello. He thinks we are stupid.

You are right he could have been saying I got you.
 
Since this is Toy, how much of that story is actually true.

Also, go easy on *Billie Jean*. She has been taking Michael's death hard and if she wants to believe that Murray truly is sorry, then that is her right. No need to belittle her statement.

I know who * Billie Jean* is and have MAD REPECT for her since the trial days , the anger was not directed at her .

and No family member talked with Murray beside Latoya , so if latoya is lying , then it's mean Murray did not speak to anyone even Latoya.
 
I do see where you are coming from.

I don't hate Murray, but I am very angry with him. For me, I would be able to empathy with him if he took responsibility with what he did. If he he did everything he could to save Michael, was straight to the LAPD, not try to put blame on Michael or other doctors, and did not try to be sympathetic to the general public, I could empathy with him.

I do not feel he meant any harm towards Michael and him given him the drug that killed him is secondary to me. I would still be angry with him over Michael's death, but I would at least know that everything that could of been done was done. However, since that is not the case, I will forever wonder if Michael would be alive now if Murray did everything he was suppose to do. And that is not fair Michael's family and me because no one can never have peace from that.

However, I refuse to hate him because it is a wasteful emotion that only bring harm to myself and I refuse to give someone like Murray that. I do hope he does feels sorry and carry his guilt until the day he dies. That would mean more to me than any prison sentence.

I think in cases of serial killers and outright murderers it would be harder for me. Even then, I try to look at serial killers as 'sick' individuals. This doesn't mean they don't deserve to be punished and Murray should not get a free pass. He needs to pay for what he has done.
 
I do see where you are coming from.

I don't hate Murray, but I am very angry with him. For me, I would be able to empathy with him if he took responsibility with what he did. If he he did everything he could to save Michael, was straight to the LAPD, not try to put blame on Michael or other doctors, and did not try to be sympathetic to the general public, I could empathy with him.

I do not feel he meant any harm towards Michael and him given him the drug that killed him is secondary to me. I would still be angry with him over Michael's death, but I would at least know that everything that could of been done was done. However, since that is not the case, I will forever wonder if Michael would be alive now if Murray did everything he was suppose to do. And that is not fair Michael's family and me because no one can never have peace from that.

However, I refuse to hate him because it is a wasteful emotion that only bring harm to myself and I refuse to give someone like Murray that. I do hope he does feels sorry and carry his guilt until the day he dies. That would mean more to me than any prison sentence.

^that's a great post. I too wonder if Murray had stayed in the room and saw him start to have problems breathing and reacted in the matter that was appropriate.... that Michael would be alive.

I find it frustrating that there are fans here that get angry at the way other's deal with this emotionally. It's very personal for each individual. One person might be angry and want to thump the guy... while another is angry but doesn't hate because it's a waste of energy... everyone here is entitled to deal with however they feel on this.

But I don't get fans that go after others for not having the exact same emotions or point of view. It's not very mature and not very empathetic of your fellow fan. We are all supposed to be as a family. You don't have to understand or agree with another's emotions... but please don't bag it... :(

I'm in the middle of studying the Kubler-Ross Model for death, dying and other catastrophic events... and I think every stage is represented in this thread.... lots of emotions riding high all over here...

Ah, emotions and all... I love you guys :hug: :wub:
 
Photo opportunity for Murray!! The creep didn't hang around at the hospital when Michael had just passed away, never stopped to console Michael's children. He just ran like a scared rabbit, refused to sign the death certificate and went into hiding



Well said.
 
I do NOT in anyway support this, BUT Show SOME COMMON Sense People.! I know we are ALL HURTING, WANT some JUSITCE And MOST Want to see him "GO DOWN", We are blinded by this hate that comes form somewhere that we NEED to get rid off.


Maybe he feels guilty and I think that would make sense to me.
And I know he gave Michael somethings that KILLED HIM! And SHOULD BE punished for it. BUT THIS HATE i'm seeing right now...its not us...(MJ fans).

Dont agree with me, Its ok But go back to The posts of the replies on this thread...It is your opinion and i respect it, BUT IT IS VERY HATEFUL!

I Have promised GOD, Myself and MICHAEL that I WOULD NOT spend the rest of my life Wasting my energy on HATE! Hate Makes you a person that you dont want to be, it makes you say, do things that you never thought POSSIBLE! I do NOT hate the man, I feel he should be PUNISHED for what he did! But wasting my energy on hating one people is not something that will do us ANY GOOD! Think about it Y'all!!!

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L.O.V.E.
Romi
 
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:clapping: Thankyou...I wanted to say something of the sort.

I do NOT in anyway support this, Show SOME COMMON Sense People.! I know we are ALL HURTING, WANT some JUSITCE And MOST Want to see him "GO DOWN", and as *GamegirlAdvance* said, We are blinded by this hate that comes form somewhere that we NEED to get rid off.


Maybe he feels guilty and I think that would make sense to me.
And I know he gave Michael somethings that KILLED HIM! And SHOULD BE punished for it. BUT THIS HATE i'm seeing right now...its not us...(MJ fans).

Dont agree with me, Its ok But go back to The posts of the replies on this thread...It is your opinion and i respect it, BUT IT IS VERY HATEFUL!

I Have promised GOD, Myself and MICHAEL that I WOULD NOT spend the rest of my life Wasting my energy on HATE! Hate Makes you a person that you dont want to be, it makes you say, do things that you never thought POSSIBLE! I do NOT hate the man, I feel he should be PUNISHED for what he did! But wasting my energy on hating one people is not something that will do us ANY GOOD! Think about it Y'all!!!

:angel:

L.O.V.E.
Romi

Romi, thats a very thoughtful post. Thank you for it. I think it takes everyone a different amount of time to learn to let go of hate or anger and I suspect many are not at that level and some may never be.
 

Aww sweetheart :hug:

I already stated my feelings about this 'event' but I'm going to be neutral now for the sake of us on here. Can we please stop fighting amongst ourselves, it doesn't help the situation. Lets just be accepting of people's feelings, even if it isn't expressed in the best way. Anger is completely understandable, but be careful that the anger for Murray isn't directed towards other fans. We are all here because we love Michael, yes? So we all want whats best for him. Whether we think Murray is truely sorry, or whether we think he is not, whether we see that this was a PR stunt or whether we think cameras followed him there uninvited, whatever you think does not change that fact that we ALL care for Michael. Just respect/accept other peoples opinions and feelings. Most of all please try not to misdirect the anger felt about Murray towards other fans.
 
Forgive, not forgive.
Forget, not forget.

What about leaving this to each one of us? No one has asked us to forgive the guy. No one has asked us to NOT forgive the guy. We are just expressing OUR OWN EMOTIONS.

And... guess what? This is THE place to do it!!! If we can't do it here, then where?
Let's just focus on the issue, being that CMurray, and also let's give each of us space to voice their opinions in a proper way.

But please, don't hate the ones saying they have already forgiven, they can't forgive. If someone forgives, fine, that doesn't mean that person doesn't care about Michael. And please, friends, the fact people don't feel like forgiving CMurr. doesn't mean that person doesn't care about Michael's message.

There is simply no use in throwing harsh words to each other!
 
Just my two cents...

It could be Dr. _______ and I would feel the same. The only reason I feel a sense of release, perhaps mistaken as joy, is because Michael's death is finally being OFFICIALLY, UNDENIABLY attributed to another person and not to a character flaw of MJ. Until now, regardless of the release of the homicide ruling, or stating MJ's passing was 'death at the hands of another', almost all articles I read about MJ still say, "...died June 25th from a drug overdose." That statement is only a half truth and implies that Michael did the administration of the drugs, akin to suicide.

I believe that with this arrest, it is possible for people to see Michael's death as the tragedy and loss that it is. Michael DIDN'T overdose. He was GIVEN an overdose. He was let go, literally let go and dismissed from this earth by another human being. This other human being had one of the most serious and important jobs there is and yet he failed. He dismissed Michael and his actions define negligence. Did he intend to kill Mike? I doubt it. What good has it done him?

The problem with life is that we are all human, even Michael. And humans make mistakes. Sometimes they are silly and stupid and sometimes they derail a train and take the lives of hundreds. L. O. V. E. All else is irrelevant. Michael would not hate this man. I know this from knowing Michael. It's a hard concept to stomach, agreed.

Jail time? Who knows? I am more concerned with dignity and Mike's legacy.

We fans, including me, were livid. We bitched and moaned every moment at all of the haters and media that were waiting and wanting for nothing more than a picture of Michael in handcuffs in 2005. I will not join that disgusting club. Why would I emulate or parrot the actions, desires, hatred, and ignorance of those I feel are lost. To do the same as they did to Mike would define me as a hypocrite. Regardless of their ignorance, certain people believed in Michael's guilt as strongly as we do in the guilt of Dr. Murray. In the end did it help either one of us? No. We're all still here and life is waiting for us. I for one, am not going to wait around to see what happens to Murray. He'll get what he deserves in the end. I am sure of this. I also am sure that I do not know anything. How anyone is positive of exactly what happened that night is a mystery to me. I'm pointing out that there are 10 trillion possibilities of the truth and none of us, NONE of us know what that is. Try to look at the situation as it is. Nothing you do, no matter how angry you get, even if you were to attack Dr. Murray and scream insults at him 24/7, it will not do what we all want...bring Michael back to life. Sadly, the time is past. The rest of this crap is all cleanup. Our man is gone and I have as hard a time accepting it as anyone else. I don't however want to take out my own ignorance of the facts on one man. I'll wait to see what transpires. And yes, I will always hope that Michael is still alive. In a way he is and always will be. Not even Dr. Murray can extinguish Mike's light. It shines to brightly and brilliantly and can never be put out. L. O. V. E. Seriously, L. O. V. E. Mike didn't say that as a new catch phrase. HE MEANT IT. Now I choose to honor him by living in L. O.V. E.

Note: This post is directed at me and no one else. Do not take anything personally. This is simply my thinking.
 
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This is just one sad attempt at getting some simpathy. This may be the last opportunity for him to get it. His lawyer is advising him what to do. PR. The whole mess is sick.
 
I had stopped on Entertainment Tonight this evening, and seen video of him at the sight.
I'm soooo angry!! :mad: What an idiot!
 
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