LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[virginia_woolf]

If Katherine's interview goes down the same route, I reckon you can kiss good bye to any hope of Murray serving time.

Joseph will be there so I guess it's safe to say it will be another 'he was addict in denial' stories.

 

[Severus Snape]

This was a very touching interview, although I see that LMP is still a bit uncomfortable. I didn't like the mentioning of the drugs in such ambiguous terms either. We literally got no glimpse as to how/why/when/if Michael had these things, and--more importantly--who was responsible for prescribing them, if what they say is true.

I agree--this interview is likely going to be used to Murray's defence, unfortunately. Although, quite frankly, what Murray did was wrong, even if he wants to pretend Michael was a drug addict, etc. it still changes nothing--HE was the one who prescribed the drugs, HE was the one in control, HE was the one who took the oath, not Michael. He is the doctor and the person in authority, therefore, if any drugs made their way to Michael Jackson (or anyone else for that matter) without a legitimate cause, he's primarily to blame. They're not over-the-counter, and they can't be obtained without the doctor's prescription. I hope they bury him and he never comes out.

I also didn't like Lisa's response to the Oprah question about the allegations, although I do not blame her. Oprah was sneaky in her asking of the question, and she took Lisa by surprise, and you can see it. Lisa didn't know how to best respond, and she seems to change between "Absolutely not" and "Well, I wasn't there so I don't know." She seemed quite pissed that Oprah would bring those things back, though. I think the record was set straight already, and she should just quit it. Then again, do I really expect Oprah Winfrey, of all people, to have class?

 

[Maja_Malibu]

It would seem just stupid and blind first inform 'I wasn't there with them' and then afterwards say 'No, he definitely did not do anything'. Lisa doesn't really want to look stupid because she is not. If I was Lisa in the same situation I would say the same. Only the boy and Michael know what they did. And if there's proof against the boy then there is but it does not have anything to do with Lisa. I don't understand the point of many people who say Lisa's words are not defending. They means she TRUSTED Michael on that. If someone i.e. murders someone you can't say no he didn't neither yes he did if you just have no any kind of a proof..

I totally agree with that! I think it's a really nice and decent interview. I believe Lisa every word she's saying. This interview was just the way I wanted it to be. No 'top exclusive story' no mega-hype. Just a quiet talk to set things straight. And in many ways, Lisa gave me the proof for the 'idea' of Michael I always had in my mind.

I like it. And if the interview with Katherine/the family has been done in the same way, I think, for us, there's nothing to fear.

 

[Maja_Malibu]

Oh and by the way...I also liked the cross-references to Elvis and his life. This way people can understand Michael better, because it 'happened before', between two people who didn't know each other. So this is not only a 'Michael thing' but something that just -sadly- seems to happen to extremely famous people.

 

[sunshine12]

I'm sorry but having seen the whole thing now,I find it disturbing.Very disturbing,actually.
She said that they broke up because it was her or the drugs when we all knew that they broke up because MJ wanted children and she didn't.
I don't understand how some of you show sympathy to her,when all she did was portraying Michael as a drug addict,a train wreck and identical to her father...
Made me dislike her even more now.

 

[Reeta]

She basically told the world that Michael Jackson got whatever he wanted - it's was his way or the highway.

You honestly say that was new to you? Like I posted before I have always felt that was how Michael lived most of his life when it came to people and employees around him - it's his way or the highway.

Many, many references to drug use but barely any reasons given as to why he was taking them and who was prescribing them.

I take it as she's not in a position to talk about as to why he was taking them and who was prescribting them.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Personally, I think she's just given even more ammunition to help Murray's case. She basically told the world that Michael Jackson got whatever he wanted - it's was his way or the highway. Many, many references to drug use but barely any reasons given as to why he was taking them and who was prescribing them.

They should all have just kept their mouths shut.

I'm seriously on the the fence about the interview. Some parts I loved. But others I just hated. I appreciate Lisa putting out there that Michael was not this person who was just evil to the core and unworthy of love as some folks like to say and think. But regarding what you're saying, I have to agree. She should have been more on point as to why and who. No wonder the public thinks that Michael was taking stuff just for the heck of it. And Oprah, for her side, should have kept that whole business out of this interview simply because of the court case. There's no logical reason for it at this point in time. I can bet Murray's camp is watching and hearing everything that's being said in the months leading up to the possible trial. And I hope for Lisa's and others' sake, what they said about Michael in this regard doesn't come back to bite them on the rear.

 

[Mirabella76]

Hello everybody! Who can tell me is there transcripts of all conversation anywhere?

 

[StephluvsMJ]

The only thing I didn't like in her interview was the sentence about "not being there with the boy and Michael in the room" when asked about the allegations. Although she said she didn't believe he was a child molester and that she never saw anything inappropriate, she shouldn't have given room to ANY doubt!

The other touchy subject for fans is the drug issue. I try to be cautious, but I personally don't think what she said about that was so bad as fans make it out to be. And I can't see how that would make Murray walk free. Whether MJ had a history with drugs or didn't it doesn't change the fact that as a doctor he shouldn't have adminstered propofol at home. That's the bottom line. He is a doctor, MJ wasn't. And BTW she was obviously referring to Klien as "a certain doctor". Yes, yes, Klein said he treated him for this and that, but what do you guys expect, that he would go on national TV and tell he gave MJ drugs he shouldn't have? Of course he would say on TV that everything he did to him was legitim treatment. I know it's a controversial subject for many fans, but do you guys really think Murray was the first one ever who gave him propofol? I don't. I'm sure there were other doctors before him, and Klein was a major player there (I personally think he is as guilty as Murray, although that sadly probably will never be proven. He is the one you should be worried about that he will walk free, because he probably will.)

And one more thing: what I said doesn't mean that MJ was a junkie! I see this is the label that fans fear the most and that's why they don't want to see some problems in this area. But acknowleding he might have problems doesn't equal to calling him a junkie or a druggie or anything. He didn't take drugs to be high. He wasn't on cocaine or heroine. He had physical and emotional pain, more than what most of us could endure and he had a big problem with insomnia. I think he fought and he was very strong. I probably couldn't have endured tenth of the stuff he went through. Insomnia is horrible!
So I can totally understand him and would never judge him over this. But that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye on some things those were worrying.


OK, now I said it, let the bashing begin.....

I don't really have an issue with people talking about Michael's past problems with medication, but what does bother me is that when they do decide to talk about it, they aren't specific. They leave room for speculation and assumptions. For instance, certain members of the family have mentioned interventions without going into detail about when, where, what and how. Simply saying "we tried to save him. There were interventions but he was in denial" isn't enough. They have to be specific, because if they're not, people are going to try and fill in the blanks themselves and come back with conclusions that aren't correct. These interventions could have happened years ago, and you would think these failed intervention attempts happened days before his death... because they aren't clear. They refer to narcotics when talking about his addictions, without making it known that he wasn't taking ANY at the time of his death. There weren't any in his house, let alone in his body. Additionally, his addiction to painkillers are unrelated to how he died. Because they aren't specific in what they are talking about, people have mistakenly taken these stories of addictions to painkillers and tried to tie it in with his death. There is no relation between to the two. These stories get around, it gets out there, and people begin to believe it - and when parts of the public begin to believe, understand that within the public, sit a group of potential jurors who are being fed misinformation about how Michael died. You can talk about supposed addictions all you want, but since there is a chance the doctor would go on trial over this, I would think that people who knew him would at least make an effort to state that while there where concerns, the drugs that he was supposedly addicted to played absolutely no part in his death.

Michael wasn't a pill popper that took a handful of pills and overdosed himself. He had a doctor who was in control: in control of the doses, in control of the drugs he was giving. It was the doctor's hand that took that needle and pumped Michael with so much propofol, it was literally coming out of his eyes. Oxycontin, Demerol, Xanax... all these drugs he was supposed to have been addicted to weren't found anywhere in his house nor in his body. Many of the pill bottles found in his home that were prescribed months earlier were still half full... The evidence just doesn't fit with the image people were portraying that he was desperate and taking 20+ pills a day. I'm not saying that this may not have been true at some other points in his life. It would be unbelievable to me that his own sister would just make these stories up for the sake of it. But according to official documents, it wasn't true in the months before his death. They need to stop trying to connect addiction and his death together. There is no connection.

 

[Daniel.San]

I don't usually post here anymore, and haven't for a long while but after watching the interview I thought i'd voice my own opinion. One reason I don't spend too much time around MJ forums these days is because of the anger and constant battering towards anything that doesn't show Michael in a positive light.

I am an MJ fan, always have been and always will be but I believe I have to be grounded in reality and accept that there may be things said and discussed after his death that aren't always positive. You may say that these things do not need to be discussed as he has passed and cannot defend himself, however Michael is human, and for us to gain a better understanding and clarity of the man we all virtually worshiped for the majority of our lives, hearing about the darker times is sometimes needed.

As for this interview, you can tell LMP is greatly hurt by Michael's passing, no one can deny this. If you believe she does these interviews for fame, you're extremely naïve. She seems very real to me and discussed Michael respectfully and I don't believe she said anything negative at all. She made their relationship REAL. She states quite a few times her reasons for how she reacted to questions on Michael and why she felt like she did in the years after their divorce - all of which seem like legitimate emotions someone would feel after a married couple separate in heated circumstances.

If you choose to believe her (and I do) she says felt as if she was disposable to Michael - as it seems Michael let her walk away and "choose" his bad habits over his wife (bad habits = nice way of saying people he chose to surround himself with and potential drug related issues). She says she left as sort of a protest, as a way to hopefully wake Michael up and realize he needs to choose what is right. This is a decision i'd say they BOTH regret making.

If you don't see it like I do, fair enough. I just have no reason to suspect she's lying as she gains nothing from this interview besides emotional therapy.

 

[Daniel.San]

Just one more point: It also bothers me when people giving interviews aren't specific on points that could really do with some clarity, however you have to take into account that sometimes questions are delivered and you're answering purely fueled by emotion and will skip points or miss details.

Ever been to a job interview and forgotten to ask questions, or had an argument with someone and walked away and suddenly you think of how you could of worded it better, or how you could of made a clearer point?

Every single time Michael answered his vitiligo question I would pull my hair out and wonder why he doesn't take his time and explain the condition instead of creating doubt and suspicion on the subject. He would instead answer them emotionally and be either very defensive or try to evade the question entirely.

 

[mystygrl]

In my opinion, Lisa has reveal her true motive for doing this interview.

Oprah: "You have made a conscientious decision to talk now, why?"

Lisa: "...I was usually PROMOTING something...I wanted to sit and really have a conversation about things that are more on a personal level now out of the way before I DO have an ALBUM COMING OUT, which I will sometime next year."

Oprah: "You didn't want to be in the position of PROMOTING AN ALBUM and having people ask you about Michael Jackson".

Lisa: "Exactly".

First of all, how can someone be married to the most popular human being that has ever lived, GLOBALLY KNOWN, and NOT be questioned about the relationship? NONSENSE!!! Whenever the name, Michael Jackson is mentioned Lisa Marie will be thought of---today, tomorrow and for all eternity!

Second, whether her new album is coming out this year or next and despite anyone's opinion about her as well as what she has to say about her relationship with Michael, JOB ACCOMPLISHED!

And, what is that? By doing this interview on Oprah, she has just set the platform for huge attention to the releasing of her upcoming album! It's plain and simple, keeping her name in the media. In addition, I found out from someone that her Twitter account is now being bombarded with responses.

Wow, what perfect timing on her part! This year the world is expecting an MJ album release and she wants to give heads up about her release sometime, next year??? So, what is this interview really about? Is she in competition with her Ex or is she riding upon his fame since she was married to him? Let's be honest. The public never acknowledged Lisa Marie, in this high fashion, UNTIL she was linked with Michael. It appears that being married to Michael Jackson made Lisa Marie more famous than being the daughter of Elvis Presley.

Third, she speaks about "manipulation". But, in my opinion, with this interview, who is doing the "manipulation", now. This is a very vulnerable time for all who love Michael. People who are fond of him, especially his fans, are always open to hearing all they can about this wonderful and loving human being.

I wish I could find a very old interview from my collection where it was mentioned that SHE was the pursuer. When the first allegations erupted in Michael's life it was mentioned that Lisa kept sending him cards and balloons to get his attention. And, she succeeded! If you are wondering, yes this "old" interview was given long before she and Michael appeared on Diane Sawyer when Michael talks about how they met.

My question is: How is it you say that you are a private person but seek the attention of someone VERY public? Please give me a break!

Also, let us not forget that Lisa, HERSELF, had a drug problem. You know, all that talk in the past about her trying to save him? Well, sarcastically, I want to add that maybe it was Michael who was trying to save her, which is why her emotions for him are STRONGER than ever and will always be.

Lisa was emotionally unstable prior to marrying Michael, which in my opinion caused her to give up on him so easily. So, did she really love him? The truth rests between her and God.

But, what is love? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8: "Love is long-suffering and kind, ...does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests...Love never fails".

Based upon Lisa's actions toward Michael does she define the "love" that 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 mentions?

Last, but not least, in my opinion if TRUE love was present in the marriage, it would have never ended and even more so if the union was a godly one.

 

[twinklEE]

That being said Lockwood must be an very understanding and balless guy to accept that his wife is in love with someone else and knowing that he could never make her feel as goos and when she was with Michael

Lockwood knows his wife is the boss, she is the man she's got the money he is just a dummy

 

[Daniel.San]

In my opinion, Lisa has reveal her true motive for doing this interview.

Oprah: "You have made a conscientious decision to talk now, why?"

Lisa: "...I was usually PROMOTING something...I wanted to sit and really have a conversation about things that are more on a personal level now out of the way before I DO have an ALBUM COMING OUT, which I will sometime next year."

Oprah: "You didn't want to be in the position of PROMOTING AN ALBUM and having people ask you about Michael Jackson".

Lisa: "Exactly".

First of all, how can someone be married to the most popular human being that has ever lived, GLOBALLY KNOWN, and NOT be questioned about the relationship? NONSENSE!!! Whenever the name, Michael Jackson is mentioned Lisa Marie will be thought of---today, tomorrow and for all eternity!

Second, whether her new album is coming out this year or next and despite anyone's opinion about her as well as what she has to say about her relationship with Michael, JOB ACCOMPLISHED!

And, what is that? By doing this interview on Oprah, she has just set the platform for huge attention to the releasing of her upcoming album! It's plain and simple, keeping her name in the media. In addition, I found out from someone that her Twitter account is now being bombarded with responses.

Wow, what perfect timing on her part! This year the world is expecting an MJ album release and she wants to give heads up about her release sometime, next year??? So, what is this interview really about? Is she in competition with her Ex or is she riding upon his fame since she was married to him? Let's be honest. The public never acknowledged Lisa Marie, in this high fashion, UNTIL she was linked with Michael. It appears that being married to Michael Jackson made Lisa Marie more famous than being the daughter of Elvis Presley.

Third, she speaks about "manipulation". But, in my opinion, with this interview, who is doing the "manipulation", now. This is a very vulnerable time for all who love Michael. People who are fond of him, especially his fans, are always open to hearing all they can about this wonderful and loving human being.

I wish I could find a very old interview from my collection where it was mentioned that SHE was the pursuer. When the first allegations erupted in Michael's life it was mentioned that Lisa kept sending him cards and balloons to get his attention. And, she succeeded! If you are wondering, yes this "old" interview was given long before she and Michael appeared on Diane Sawyer when Michael talks about how they met.

My question is: How is it you say that you are a private person but seek the attention of someone VERY public? Please give me a break!

Also, let us not forget that Lisa, HERSELF, had a drug problem. You know, all that talk in the past about her trying to save him? Well, sarcastically, I want to add that maybe it was Michael who was trying to save her, which is why her emotions for him are STRONGER than ever and will always be.

Lisa was emotionally unstable prior to marrying Michael, which in my opinion caused her to give up on him so easily. So, did she really love him? The truth rests between her and God.

But, what is love? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8: "Love is long-suffering and kind, ...does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests...Love never fails".

Based upon Lisa's actions toward Michael does she define the "love" that 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 mentions?

Last, but not least, in my opinion if TRUE love was present in the marriage, it would have never ended and even more so if the union was a godly one.

This is absolutely ridiculous. So she sat down with Oprah, talked at length about her relationship with Michael Jackson and gave a clear insight to the marriage for which (up until now) been answered very harshly or been made unclear by both herself and Michael.

Do you not understand the point she's making in her initial statement? She wanted to give the interview away from any album promotion. There was no link between this interview and any body of work she has planned in the future. But of course, she's doing it all for fame and fortune.

Look to other Jackson family members (most notably, Janet) and you can say the same thing about their interviews. Janet used to steer clear or try to keep Michael out of any interview she gave which was intended as a promotion for an upcoming album. She would sometimes talk about Michael if asked, but would also be very blunt and attempt to get the course of the interview back on to it's supposed topic (which was her own career). Now if Janet came out, sat down with Oprah, Geraldo or ANYONE and said that this interview is purely to talk about Michael and get everything out in the open so that when it does come time for promotion of future work, the issue will be left alone, would you really question her motives?

Don't be silly.

Lisa was emotionally unstable prior to marrying Michael, which in my opinion caused her to give up on him so easily. So, did she really love him? The truth rests between her and God.

But, what is love? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8: "Love is long-suffering and kind, ...does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests...Love never fails".

Based upon Lisa's actions toward Michael does she define the "love" that 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 mentions?

Last, but not least, in my opinion if TRUE love was present in the marriage, it would have never ended and even more so if the union was a godly one.

Again, this part of your post is overly harsh and you need to ask yourself what your point you're trying to make by discrediting Lisa.

She states in the interview that her leaving Michael was a form of objection and way to try and bring Michael back to her - a sort of "it's me, or the path you're taking". She questions herself and regrets this decision in retrospect, but can you say Michael shouldn't have made a better decision and tried to keep her? I bet he also regretted that, at least in some way.

You can quote Bible passages all you like, but love is not something you can define in a sentence. Things happen in marriages no matter how much a couple love each other, this is an undeniable fact. Factors we will never understand or grasp (clearly you choose not to grasp her side of the story) can play a part in a separation.

Love does not always conquer all, no matter what passage of the Bible you quote.

 

[144000]

Just one more point: It also bothers me when people giving interviews aren't specific on points that could really do with some clarity, however you have to take into account that sometimes questions are delivered and you're answering purely fueled by emotion and will skip points or miss details.

Ever been to a job interview and forgotten to ask questions, or had an argument with someone and walked away and suddenly you think of how you could of worded it better, or how you could of made a clearer point?

Every single time Michael answered his vitiligo question I would pull my hair out and wonder why he doesn't take his time and explain the condition instead of creating doubt and suspicion on the subject. He would instead answer them emotionally and be either very defensive or try to evade the question entirely.

who wouldn't be defensive if the whole world's media put them on blast for more than two decades?

a job interview is only with one person.

MJ scrutiny was done by millions.

 

[Daniel.San]

You're overlooking the point of what I was trying to say. Many people jump down the throat of LMP for not being clear enough or pointing out certain aspects HOWEVER, in the same position even many of us watching from a distance would forget or probably not make certain things clearer than they could be.

I know just as well as anyone here about the media scrutiny, which is also an effect of Michael or those close to him not thoroughly discussing vitiligo at great lengths, or anything else that was heavily questioned in the media. If we were asked questions on Michael's skin condition over the internet, and were able to respond much like we do with forum responses, many people here could write you 20 page essays on the skin condition, however if we were questioned face-to-face in front of a camera, knowing full well that it will be watched by millions around the world, of course you'd react on instinct and emotion and most likely miss important details and not be as clear as you'd intend.

Thats my entire point..

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Exactly! I don't understand why a lot of people here are excited about this interview. NOTHING really changed! Trust me when I tell you that the world tuned in to see this interview to hear about the molestation charges and drug addiction, NOT their supossedly love story (they could care less). When she answered these two questions, she basically reaffirmed their beliefs...........that Michael WAS a drug addict and WAS capable of molesting a child.

How can you say that? She said she never believed it was true, but said she wasn't in the room of the alleged location, alleged!!! In no way do i see her saying that he was capable of molesting a child. I really DO wish she had said some other things, but she's NOT saying that.

It would seem just stupid and blind first inform 'I wasn't there with them' and then afterwards say 'No, he definitely did not do anything'. Lisa doesn't really want to look stupid because she is not. If I was Lisa in the same situation I would say the same. Only the boy and Michael know what they did. And if there's proof against the boy then there is but it does not have anything to do with Lisa. I don't understand the point of many people who say Lisa's words are not defending. They means she TRUSTED Michael on that. If someone i.e. murders someone you can't say no he didn't neither yes he did if you just have no any kind of a proof..

Actually, she should have NEVER said 'I wasn't there...bla bla bla' ...she at first said she saw nothing inapropriate between him and children. Oprah keeps on asking.....and then Lisa should have said, i truly don't believe he did do anything wrong. Like i said before, SHE says they talked alot, she really knew him. Then she also knows damn well about his dream,and that is to heal children, not damage them. WHY was it so hard to simply say 'Michael could never do such a thing? '. And for god's sake, Michael was 100% vindicated, not a shred of evidence and only a real shady and weird lying ass family as accusers. So again.....why say all that unnessecary stuff about not being in the room, jeez. The media will run with this and the drugs story, you can count on it.

 

[angelofhope]

I basically think Michael was physically ill with Lupus etc and Lisa Marie could not handle it. As someone else pointed out Scientologists don't believe in taking any sort of drugs.
There seems to be alot of handwrnging going on just now from LMP and the family. The fact is maybe if some of them had listened to him about his health problems all this talk of interventions wouldn't exist.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I like to take a day to ponder these things. And I realise I just have two things to say:

As much as this interview was about Lisa Marie Presley clearing the air, confessing, etc, it is my personal opinion that there is also a need on her part to create a parallel between Elvis Presley and Michael.

Secondly, I have been thinking about how some family members and ex-wives have spoken about 'drug problems' and this is in the conclusion I have reached (so far) - Michael had various medical problems (the details of which he was VERY private about), Michael took medication for those medical problems, the medication had side-effects, family, friends and wives witnessed these side effects.

Maybe wanted to confide in people. But he confided in Quincy Jones about his lung problem. Look how that turned out. He told him about the vitiligo. That went down REALLY well! He told Boteach about other medical issues and he scoffed at Michael and dismissed him.

Maybe Michael felt that everything else in his life was open to public scrutiny and some things just were not other people's concern. Maybe Michael had been burned by so many people who took advantage of his connection to sell him out, betray him, speak about him out of turn, that he was a conscious decision to deal with certain things on his own.

 

[JMie]

I like to take a day to ponder these things. And I realise I just have two things to say:

As much as this interview was about Lisa Marie Presley clearing the air, confessing, etc, it is my personal opinion that there is also a need on her part to create a parallel between Elvis Presley and Michael.

Secondly, I have been thinking about how some family members and ex-wives have spoken about 'drug problems' and this is in the conclusion I have reached (so far) - Michael had various medical problems (the details of which he was VERY private about), Michael took medication for those medical problems, the medication had side-effects, family, friends and wives witnessed these side effects.

Maybe wanted to confide in people. But he confided in Quincy Jones about his lung problem. Look how that turned out. He told him about the vitiligo. That went down REALLY well! He told Boteach about other medical issues and he scoffed at Michael and dismissed him.

Maybe Michael felt that everything else in his life was open to public scrutiny and some things just were not other people's concern. Maybe Michael had been burned by so many people who took advantage of his connection to sell him out, betray him, speak about him out of turn, that he was a conscious decision to deal with certain things on

^^ Also, I am now reading about Scientology and what it says about medications. I didn't know this but this "religion" is strictly against medications and you can't even go to a hospital without the church's permission. I think Lisa's beliefs could also play a part here. She might have felt the drugs were not necessary while in truth they were.

 

[angelofhope]

I am so sick and tired of all these "I wasn't in the room" comments. Not just from Lisa, but from everyone. Yes, no one was in the room. SO WHAT? There was a whole trial about it! There was so much EVIDENCE of what was and was not happening in that room. You didn't have to be in the room to know what's going on.



Did you read an article from last year about a doctor who treated Michael when he collapsed during the HBO rehearsals? That doctor was persistent in saying that Michael did not have any drugs in his system when he was admitted to the hospital that day. I personally choose to believe the doctor over Lisa even though she was his wife.

:clapping:

 

[angelofhope]

lets face it- LMP is trying to cover her own behind in all this mess.

 

[Miche]

I loved the interview and felt she spoke very well and honestly and she has clarified alot for me.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

I am so sick and tired of all these "I wasn't in the room" comments. Not just from Lisa, but from everyone. Yes, no one was in the room. SO WHAT? There was a whole trial about it! There was so much EVIDENCE of what was and was not happening in that room. You didn't have to be in the room to know what's going on.



Did you read an article from last year about a doctor who treated Michael when he collapsed during the HBO rehearsals? That doctor was adamant in saying that Michael did not have any drugs in his system when he was admitted to the hospital that day. I personally choose to believe the doctor over Lisa even though she was his wife.

EXACTLY!!!

It's not like Lisa was just some short time friend who barely knew him, it was his wife for christ's sake, and she says that she knew him very well. Especially for such a person it should be common sense and easy to say he could never do such a thing. That stupid shit about not being in the same room...jeeeeez, what is that? It's common knowledge now that the accusing family was full of crapola, their story became so laughable, and most of all..MJ was innocent of ALL charges.

Not in the same room....sigh...fuck outta here!!! And the people trying to defend or understand that, come on now!!!!!!

 

[8701girl]

And you are lisa marie's shrink, how long.?

Hey im not saying im her skrink or anything but from what i can see from that interview, shes still hurting alot bout mj.


And i have never in my life seen a woman constantly talk bout her ex celebrity or non celebrity as much as she does.

I hope for lisa's sake that she keeps her word when she says "this interview will be the last i speak i bout mj"


Im not a fan of hers but im sure michael would not want her to keep thinking bout him and his death. Hed want her to move on with her life so she can be the mother her kids need her to be.

 

[JMie]

It's not that I am bashing Lisa. On the contrary, I feel really sorry for her. I believe she's hurting and it will take a long time for her to heal.

Yet, there are facts that we shouldn't ignore. Here, I found the article:

Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse...
http://www.heraldonline.com/front/story/1458834.html
Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 / Updated: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 07:31 AM
Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse
By Andrew Dys, Columnist - adys@heradonline.com
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When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.
In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.
“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.
Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”
Alleyne didn't believe it then.
“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.
He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.
“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.
Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.
“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”
Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.
After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.
“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.
And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”
Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”
Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.
But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.
“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.
Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.
“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”
He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”
Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson's fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.
“Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform.
Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.
Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson's family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.
After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson's publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson's people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.
News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson's condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.
“Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”
Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson's doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.
Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.
“After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”
Jackson's entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.
Near the end of Jackson's hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”
Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn't such a good idea.”
When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.
“House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”
In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson's famous trademark dance.
But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne's every move.
Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”
All humble Alleyne asked for was an autographed picture for his kids to have years down the road.
Before Alleyne left the hotel that day, Alleyne recalled Jackson telling him: “Thank you for saving my life.”
Then Jackson told Alleyne he understood how difficult it had been for a black man to get to such a distinguished position within the medical world, that Alleyne's accomplishments were inspiring to Jackson.
“It was very touching,” Alleyne said. “I will never forget that.”
Alleyne never gave an interview since then, never signed any book deals or made a nickel off being Michael Jackson's doctor of almost two weeks. He never spoke to Michael Jackson again.
Alleyne, other than casual conversation with friends, or associates in medicine, or among the people at his medical practice, never told anyone of his time as doctor to the most famous entertainer in the world.
Alleyne's own children, son Douglas and daughter Courtney, only learned of his role when a documentary came out a few years ago that had some of the footage of the news conferences from 1995 in it. There was Bill Alleyne.
“Daddy, are you Michael Jackson's doctor?” his daughter asked.
“I said yes, because I was his doctor,” Alleyne said. “I looked at it as always being his doctor, that I had a professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and would honor that.”
This man with Carolina roots in his family came to Charlotte in 1996, then began practicing medicine in Rock Hill in 1999. He's done what humble doctors do: give some time to reading at schools, volunteered, raised his kids.
The sign outside his Rock Hill medical practice only has his name. There is no mention of Michael Jackson anywhere in the building.
Only now, after Jackson's death, did Alleyne agree to share his remembrances of those days.
Alleyne said that he told his wife, only half-jokingly, that the world spotlight would be on the doctors who had recently been caring for Jackson before his death.
Alleyne said he would be remembered as: “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
Alleyne has, at night the past few days after seeing patients, watched some coverage of the aftermath of Michael Jackson's death.
“That to this day he is so loved comes as no surprise to me,” Alleyne said. “He was very gracious and kind.”
He understands that there were accusations against Jackson after 1995, but that was not the Michael Jackson Bill Alleyne knew in 1995.
And Tuesday afternoon, as tens of millions, maybe more, watched the memorial service for Jackson from Los Angeles, here's what Bill Alleyne, doctor, did: He saw other patients. He did not watch TV.
He helped a lady with a little bit of cardiopulmonary trouble. Another with asthma. More. Each received Bill Alleyne's full attention, as he had given Michael Jackson his full attention in 1995.
Alleyne saw them all, gave this interview about that two weeks 14 years ago, then went home.
Just like he did for those crazy days in December 1995, when Bill Alleyne was Michael Jackson's doctor.
This post has been edited by Happiness4MJ: Jul 10 2009, 01:19 AM

 

[Roosje]

I don't usually post here anymore, and haven't for a long while but after watching the interview I thought i'd voice my own opinion. One reason I don't spend too much time around MJ forums these days is because of the anger and constant battering towards anything that doesn't show Michael in a positive light.

I am an MJ fan, always have been and always will be but I believe I have to be grounded in reality and accept that there may be things said and discussed after his death that aren't always positive. You may say that these things do not need to be discussed as he has passed and cannot defend himself, however Michael is human, and for us to gain a better understanding and clarity of the man we all virtually worshiped for the majority of our lives, hearing about the darker times is sometimes needed.

As for this interview, you can tell LMP is greatly hurt by Michael's passing, no one can deny this. If you believe she does these interviews for fame, you're extremely naïve. She seems very real to me and discussed Michael respectfully and I don't believe she said anything negative at all. She made their relationship REAL. She states quite a few times her reasons for how she reacted to questions on Michael and why she felt like she did in the years after their divorce - all of which seem like legitimate emotions someone would feel after a married couple separate in heated circumstances.

If you choose to believe her (and I do) she says felt as if she was disposable to Michael - as it seems Michael let her walk away and "choose" his bad habits over his wife (bad habits = nice way of saying people he chose to surround himself with and potential drug related issues). She says she left as sort of a protest, as a way to hopefully wake Michael up and realize he needs to choose what is right. This is a decision i'd say they BOTH regret making.

If you don't see it like I do, fair enough. I just have no reason to suspect she's lying as she gains nothing from this interview besides emotional therapy.

I agree entirely with this post. This interview has made Michael and them as a couple much more real for me. I don't doubt Lisa Marie's sincerety one bit. She did good.

I found it interesting to hear she felt 'intoxicated' by Michael. Even though she was his wife, I can sort of relate as a fan. He could be pure magic, how it must have been to be in his day-to-day presence. I like it that she adressed this 'intoxication', her love for him and her 'highs' and at the same time could point out his flaws and her own. I hope she will eventually look back with peace and happiness at the time she shared with him - she's still a very very lucky girl you know.

 

[man.in.the.mirror]

am i the only one who thinks she didn,t come across all that good,i,m sick of hearing about the drugs,drugs,drugs,thats all i heard throughout the interview,i know she did try in some parts to put michael in the good light he deserved,but i,m sorry my opinions on her havn,t changed,i,m sorry if people disagree,thats how i feel,

 

[Diplomate]

I wished she said more about the vultures.

And the " I wasn't in the room ", it's really stupid.

And the " drugs in 1995 "? Big lol. The doctor OF THE HOSPITAL spoke about why Mike was in hospital.

She needs to say more now. She doesn't want to speak about Mike anymore? Big lol.

Medias will always ask her about Mike, because they just want to know something about Mike when she speak to the medias.It's just Mike Mike Mike, he's the only thing interesting in her life.

And gosh! The Royal Cobra did a good job with her! lol!^^

 

[man.in.the.mirror]

I wished she said more about the vultures.

And the " I wasn't in the room ", it's reallu stupid.

this bit also upset me,