Preliminary Hearing 5/1/11 Day two. Discussion thread

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Senneff says despite resuscitation efforts and three rounds of giving MJ epinephrine & atropine, paramedics did not feel a pulse on MJ.

Senneff testifies Conrad Murray was the only person who claimed to feel a pulse on MJ.

Senneff testifies to Pros. Walgren that no attempts to revive Jackson were ever successful and a no pulse for MJ was found by paramedics.

On cross, Senneff tells defense attny. Joseph Low that when he entered Jackson's room, he did not see Murray giving MJ CPR.


If the testimony from the paramedics isn't the "kiss of death" to Murray ,I don't know what is. Especially the paramedic saying he did NOT see Murray doing CPR!!! WTF??!!!!!!!!!!! :bugeyed

And "of course" Murray felt a pulse. And MJ's hands and feet were blue only because MJ was feeling a "bit cold", I'm sure? :doh:

So Chernoff "got the paramedic" to admit that being thin and having blue hands and feet were signs of a drug addict? How about signs of a corpse? :doh: Ask him that too, Eddie!! They won't get anywhere with the drug addict" theory because there is nothing to back it up. People who are anorexic are thin too...doesn't make them drug addicts. Some people are naturally thin and woudl want to be heavier but no matter how much they eat they have difficulties gaining weight. MJ was reahearsing for a tour and dancing for hours daily, so yeah, he wasn't "bulky". But how does someone's weight act as proof for "drug addiction". Cancer patients are thin. He might as well asked "So he looked like a cancer patient?". Didn't the EMT himself say he thought MJ was a hospice patient? So little Eddie Smartypants isn't going anywhere. Fact still remains...there is NO PROOF Michael was a drug addict. He had not taken any of the pills found in his house regulary and not in huge amounts...and the only drugs that he had in his system when he died were the ones given by Murray. And that is what killed him. So wheather MJ looked thin like a drug addict is beside the point and irrelevant. MJ didn't die because of his weight, there is no proof of MJ abusing drugs...and the drugs he got from Murray, as well as the amounts, are SOLELY Murray's responsibility as a doctor. It won't help Murray one bit to say "But HE wanted". MJ's not the medically trained professional...Murray is. And that's exactly why they are so desperately trying to make it look like MJ gave himself the overdose....because that is their ONLY chance. And with only I mean O-N-L-Y.....even though even THAT would not get Murray off the hook. It has been PROVEN that he did not have intubation gear anywhere in the house. And he has admitted he gave MJ Propofol. That already is reckless. So he WILL have a sentence of some kind coming in ANY case. If not 4 years...he will get something...That is GUARANTEED!!! And I am certain he will lose his license once the trial is over.
 
I don't know how Murray can live with himself, whether this be manslaughter or murder. 4 years is nothing for what he did; I can't believe what is happening.
 
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And "of course" Murray felt a pulse. And MJ's hands and feet were blue only because MJ was feeling a "bit cold", I'm sure? :doh:

sure!! Being California such a cold place... by midday.... in Summer. What else did you expect him but to be cold?

:ermm:
 
TMZ hallucinated that response b/c they wanted it to hear. Pathetic no life scum bastards like Harvey and his team need to be slapped hard Chernoff and Murray deserve hell
 
Why do they have to lie like that? When there are other people there can prove that they lied.
 
so true pcr. but he its better than not knowing at all..

good night everyone see you tomorrow :)

XxX
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(
 
I don't know how Murray can live with himself, whether this be manslaughter or murder. 4 years is nothing for what he did; I can't believe what is happening.

although i tried hard to belive he was a reckless doctor ,deep in my heart i believe that all what Murray did infront of the bodygaurds and the kids was a farce...i feel it was well prepared before.
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(


Oh poor michael :(...this is all so sad & heartbreaking
 
ivy;3176473 said:
seriously back off. you couldn't be "supporting" him going with the drug addict route?

I did not say that I support an “addict theory”. I said, that Chernoff asked reasonable questions if TMZ is not lying.
 
Asedora;3176497 said:
I did not say that I support an “addict theory”. I said, that Chernoff asked reasonable questions if TMZ is not lying.

It's reasonable to believe being black and blue was a sign of an addict? Despite the fact that there had been no signs of life for over 20 minutes? Wow.
 
That's why he had marks on his arms because of the paramedics poking him? Everything Murray was doing was wrong. It's too much.
 
Has it said somewhere what were all the doses the so called doctor said had given to him all through the night? It was like playing between life and death. The doctor must have known that. Because whatever was the doses it should have been monitored, ESPECIALLY because of all the drug mixture. It could not have been really a surprise for the doctor he stopped breathing because almost all those drugs affects negatively to your breathing. Or if it was a surprise he is just so extremely stupid and unprofessional.
 
It's reasonable to believe being black and blue was a sign of an addict? Despite the fact that there had been no signs of life for over 20 minutes? Wow.

I do not know why he asked these questions. I try understand Chernoff's strategy because making MJ an addict is not good for Dr. Murray.
 
So anyway back to reality now we know why his arms were covered in punctures
 
The only strategy they have (Murray and team) is to make Michael look as bad as possible. Blame him and others and take the blame off Murray.
 
So Murray broke the iv?? is that the one that was found on the floor broken?
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(

Can this be the reason why there was a bloody shirt at the scene?
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(

This explains the marks on his arm. Remember that someone initially tried to make an issue of this.

Murray really should stand more serious charges. There is no way that a doctor should have this many errors.
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(

Wow....:mello: It sounds more and more like someone really was "on a mission".... Just there to make SURE Michael will NOT live.....:scratch:

What the paramedics are saying is REALLY important and serious because they have no reason to lie and no connection to MJ. Even if the defense would try to say "Oh you were friends with him...oh you were working for him" and make it look like the bodyguards and Kenny, etc.are just saying things to defend MJ...the paramedics have no reason or motive what so ever, which is why what they say makes it even more important, serious and troubling. It's even worse than I thought....really bad. :boohoo: :boohoo:

I just wish I could have been there to help Michael. :boohoo: :boohoo:
 
So anyway back to reality now we know why his arms were covered in punctures

I remembered that for some reason and it was the paramedics who did that. I can't remember where I heard that in the first place. Autopsy or something else.
 
F*ck TMZ!

Erin on Ustream also said that Murray broke the IV/syringe in MJ leg when the paramedics told him to use that same one to get MJ some ephedrine to start his heart! When Murray broke it they couldn't find the vain and had to start all over again poking him everywhere in his arms until they got it on his neck! *SIGH* :,(

:bugeyed



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This explains the marks on his arm. Remember that someone initially tried to make an issue of this.

Murray really should stand more serious charges. There is no way that a doctor should have this many errors.
I know its mind boggling to see that **** charged with only one lousy charge of IV
 
The only strategy they have (Murray and team) is to make Michael look as bad as possible. Blame him and others and take the blame off Murray.

To make Michael look as bad as possible will not help Murray's defence. Chernoff is not stupid.
 
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