Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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randys not happy that ortega has been dropped then LOL the $$$ pot gets smaller and smaller eh steven!
 
Randy Jackson is not a happy man.. if it wasn't obvious who it is that is trying to pull Mrs Jackson's strings it should be clearer now... (& it's funny that yesterday the statement was that the Jackson family apologised to Mr Ortega, but Randy has decided that the family as a whole does not.. )


randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
I need to clarify and address something that was miscommunicated yesterday
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
My mother’s a very kind & sweet woman...
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
However, The Jackson Family as a WHOLE does NOT extend any sort of an apology to Kenny Ortega
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
In their obsession to get the show out, it appears Kenny & AEG didn’t care about my brother’s health & they didn’t inform the family
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
... at times driving my brother to tears.
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Michael would still be here had they informed his family of the situation. More facts will come out.
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His mistress( Lisa Marie) was there whenever he called her

That's true cuz you say so, right? How about her following him and begging him to return to her, cosing up to his mother etc? Which that was the case anyway, and Michael still loved her, but not obsessed like LMP admitted herself to being. Why not say 'her lover' instead? Also, that's not a thread about MJ's personal love life in case you haven't realized. His medical life is out there for all to dissect and distort anyway, so your point is? Adding to it? Your bluntness is hard to stomach at times, because you're using lotta innuendo behind your seemingly realistic approach of things. You sure do, you're often more than just plain realistic.

, still he had insomnia and got propofol to sleep. You can blame AEG all you want, MJ suffered from insomnia all his life,

That's called overgeneralizing, for you don't know if Jackson resorted to Propofol every time while tour. And certainly he never did when Not o tour, just cuz he suffered from insomnia. And, in your mind, it's fair game to conclude Jackson would have died anyway, no matter what? Even if Murray wasn't there to 'care' for him? Yet you don't take into consideration the pressures on behalf of many of his fans for him to tour that added to his insomnia? Or how insomnia works? How it really works? Or else, you won't be saying such insensitive, superficial things.

If MJ told Murray to beat it when he told him he could do it, MJ would have been still alive today. It had nothing to do with anyone else but MJ and Murray. MJ made a mistake he hired an incompetent doctor and paid immensely for his mistake , Murray should pay for the crime he committed.

Yeah, I remember you obsessively repeating the strategy of Murray's defense, that "Jackson Committed Suicide" in bold. But now you're also really blaming Jackson too for his dying, but there's a thread in the Conspiracy forum for you to say that, not this thread. And once again, you are not in the position to blame Jackson for his dying. The dead man for his dying. He Didn't ask for incompetence from Murray, he didn't ask him to talk on the phone for hours while monitoring him, didn't ask him to clean his death scene while Jackson was dying/already dead, he didn't ask him to call 911 half an hour later. Didn't ask to die. ... Jackson is the most vulnerable, quiet party in all of this madness, for he isn't here to have a say in all that, he is dead, can't return, can't take part in the trial against his doctor, can't do anything about it, and some still dare to blame death on this most vulnerable, incapable party that Jackson has become since June 25. Just like you don't know for sure it was Jackson himself that hired him. Which you can't say for sure. So, I'd say you should reserve your judgements or let others make their own, in this case, about AEG, since this thread is about them and their trial against them. There's Murray thread in plenty in the case forum for that. You've said once you're well, extremely well informed. Not enough though, for real, in this case, when AEG is concerned. You think it's that simple to be stating the things you do with utmost security, to hit and run? Yeah, you do, but it's not.

And you say Murray should pay for the crime he committed, (now that Jackson isn't here so you can blame him for him asking for Propofol), but you are still blaming Jackson for his death, saying "he paid immensely for his mistake". Again, not the proper thread for that, but of course, you can believe whatever you wish. Just don't try to make a point while attacking Jackson, as seen above. Do so via PM, on tabloid sites, on psychology, crime sites or other fan forums. The list of insensitive views on things Jackson-related - so as not to say people, right - is growing, which is disturbing, esp in light of Murray's trial. It is.
 
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Kenny Ortega is no longer named in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson, but Michael's younger brother Randy isn't offering an olive branch to the This Is It choreographer.
In a statement, Randy says:

  • "My mother's a very kind and sweet woman, however the Jackson family as a whole does NOT extend any sort of an apology to Kenny Ortega. In their obsession to get the show out, it appears Kenny & AEG didn’t care about my brother’s health & they didn’t inform the family at times driving my brother to tears. Michael would still be here had they informed his family of the situation. More facts will come out."
Just yesterday, Katherine's attorney released a statement claiming the family "determined that Mr. Ortega should not be a defendant."
Boyle added, "The Jackson Family apologizes for any discomfort or inconvenience this may have caused Mr. Ortega."

http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_-_randy_jackson_to_kenny_orteg.php


Hey Randy,

why didn't you drive you butt over to the rehearsals and do it yourself. I thought everyone in the family knew about Michael's problems and hardly need AEG or Kenny to tell you. Your dear mother also said nothing about Michael being 'driven to tears' along with your homegirl Karen.

I also didn't know it was AEG's job to call the family. Here I thought Michael was a grown man, but apparently Michael needed a caregiver since he was unable to do it himself like any adult. He was your family, if you wanted to know how he was doing, you should had picked up the phone. That is if, of course, Michael was even accepting your calls.

Randy, you're full of shit.
 
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I thought everyone in the family knew about Michael's problems and hardly need AEG or Kenny to tell you.

Right on!!!!!!!!

Plus, how come his buddy Karen Faye didnt tell him what supposedly was going on??? Why doesnt he blame her for not telling him and the family that MJ was ill? Oh yeah, I forgot, she was planning going to France with him after the first leg of the show
 
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i forgot, she was planning going to france with him after the first leg of the show
lol......
 
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Karen Faye is deserving of an Academy Award for best dramatic actress of 2009.

I'm glad fans screencapped her tweets and status. She's a damn fool. I think Karen just wants to look like some martyr going "I tried to save him". That's not what it sounds like from her tweets before June 25th, 2009.

Look what Karen wrote on twitter just two hours ago

"On Wednesday 2nd February 2011, @wingheart said:

Some people keep bringing up that I was reporting on my FB how excited and great rehearsals were. This was true. All was going really well IN THE BEGINNING. Everything went terribly wrong the week before Michael's death. I was being threatened to STAY OF THE INTERNET when I started trying to get my superiors to get help for Michael. They promised me they had hired the best doctor in the world for him...AND THEN HE WAS DEAD!!!!!"


She is a liar! Karen said on her facebook that MJ was NOT doing good in reharsals the first weeks but that he was amazing the last rehearsals...
 
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wow. one thing for sure Jackson's never cease to amaze us..

It ceases to amaze me that they don't see themselves doing the same thing to MJ they accuse others of doing. They certainly have their own track record of coercing MJ into doing things for their own needs. Maybe, that's why none of them are in his will. Oh, wait...I forgot...that's somebody else's fault too.
 
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That's true cuz you say so, right?
no its true cause they were photographed together on the tour. she arrived in londond as debbie left for paris. travelled to south africa together with katherine and were spotted out numerous times once a couple of months b4 the birth of paris. they were seeing each otehr for years after the divorce just took presley years to admit it

Yeah, I remember you obsessively repeating the strategy of Murray's defense, that "Jackson Committed Suicide" in bold. But now you're also really blaming Jackson too for his dying,
u really need to read ppl posts properly. u take everything the wrong way. like the presley comment above .if english isnt your first language then i guess thats why. if not then u really need to read things properly. makes me laugh how all these newbies jump on ppl like soundmind. someone who was here through 03-05 and picked apart the case and is still here today and u have the cheak to call them a defence supporter. where were u in 03-05 high school?
 
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It's not supporting AEG. It's rather recognizing that just because AEG was in a business relationship with MJ and applying the pressure any business partner would under the circumstances that they are not as guilty as Murray.

Whomever said here that they're As guilty as Murray, this 'doctor' being the direct party that killed him? But, thankfully, you'd later add:

Were they guilty and complicit in MJ's stress? Of course they were.

Right. Except not all think that and don't blame AEG and AEG's Thome Thome for nothing at all. ...

I just happen to believe if there was no AEG, and Michael was totally footing the bill, the scope and pressures he put on himself for this BIG COMEBACK would have still led to his debilitating chronic insomnia and a doctor to help him.

That is your opinion. And it's a matter of how many concerts one would have to perform that makes all the difference. And he had 50. This Big comeback thing was put forth by AEG anyway, after them being turned down twice. And what makes it alright to say stuff like "he would've suffered from chronic insomnia anyway". Were you in Jackson's mind and heart to know that for sure, you're only speculating. He was the one that put pressures on himself? What about many of his fans who asked him to come to their countries often, or how some were arguing among themselves that he is a has-been, a lazy bum, that he should come out with this and that bang, yada-yada...How about the media that was scrutinizing him and waiting him to fall, them even Accurately predicting his death? Why would he have the scope and pressures put on himself if not to please other people? Many of whom, if he had failed to deliver a good show, would've dropped him like hot cake. If his new songs on his new album weren't great... some of their patience already ended. So, again, did he put pressures on himself just cuz that's who he was? ....

You said AEG rushed the concert. Actually, they didn't. The timeframe of about 3 months from announcement to first show is about normal, and MJ had 4 months. Three months is especially normal if all the venues are lined up, and MJ was going to be in one location for all his shows. Plus, the show grew and grew in production values because MJ wanted to make his comeback "something they'd never seen before." If the show had kept to a smaller scale, the timeframe wouldn't have been its eventual overwhelming prospect. In fact, it was the production values that caused the push back of the first concert, not the singing and dancing. Everyone, even outsiders like the grammy exec who was there that last night, said that MJ did a full out rehearsal and was totally back in his element. I'll never forget that smile of satisfaction on MJ's face in completing his final song set.

Yeah, they did rushed him. For his first concert in 12 years, esp, they did. They didn't finish the sets, the costumes, the rehearsals, didn't manage to go through all the songs. When he Had to postpone 2 concerts, hell broke loose. If they really cared about Jackson and let him work on his own terms, given his perfectionism and seriousness, they would've pushed those concerts back somehow, don't know. If they did, worse hell would've broken loose, right? Add that to the pressures he endured and you'll get the picture.

It's not supporting AEG remembering all that. It's placing blame where its fully warranted. On Conrad Murray.

The Case forum focuses on Murray, this is about AEG and their suit against him. This lenience for AEG really isn't warranted. (+Thome Thome, remember he was an AEG key employee who actually wanted Jackson to do more shows a week, as per Frank Dileo). People are not hungry to pass the blame on others irrationally or at all costs, not everyone, anyway. It's placing blame where warranted. It doesn't really take a scientist to notice that blaming Jackson (by those who do) is a much much easier thing to do than blaming AEG, and when some dare to blame them (again, not irrationally), that blame is quickly placed or re-placed on Jackson. That's what happens sadly, sadly.
 
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Thome Thome, remember he was an AEG key employee
he didnt work for AEG he worked for colony.
 
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Obviously Murray didn't care about MJ's health either, so why isn't Randy mentioning his name? and why didn't Randy call his brother or go and check on him himself? Everyone in the world knew MJ was about to do 50 shows, and everyone in the world could see MJ was thin and was coming and going from Arnold Klein's office, so why didn't Randy know? and since Randy is close with Karen Faye, why didn't Karen call the family? and another thing why didn't Randy contact Frank Dileo? Frank had been friends with the family for 30 years since Mike's Thriller and BAD periods. Did Frank know Mike was sick?
 
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Obviously Murray didn't care about MJ's health either, so why isn't Randy mentioning his name? and why didn't Randy call his brother or go and check on him himself? Everyone in the world knew MJ was about to do 50 shows, and everyone in the world could see MJ was thin and was coming and going from Arnold Klein's office, so why didn't Randy know? and since Randy is close with Karen Faye, why didn't Karen call the family?

MTE!! If it is true what Karen is saying then she should have alerted his family and called her buddy Randy to help her! I dont get it...
How could she just sit back and do nothing?
 
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cause its all B.S thats why. these questions dont even need to be asked
 
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MTE!! If it is true what Karen is saying then she should have alerted his family and called her buddy Randy to help her! I dont get it...
How could she just sit back and do nothing?

Exactly!! If Karen was so concerned why didn't she call Randy, Katherine or someone.. I'm pretty sure she knew how to get a hold of them. If she couldn't call them she knew where they lived.
 
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no its true cause they were photographed together on the tour. she arrived in londond as debbie left for paris. travelled to south africa together with katherine and were spotted out numerous times once a couple of months b4 the birth of paris. they were seeing each otehr for years after the divorce just took presley years to admit it?

I was asking that question, which you obviously truncated to serve your post's mission or agenda. I know that history, 'teacher', thank you anyway. They said LMP was Jackson's mistress, but were using innuendo, for, in fact, it was Her the one to follow him everywhere, promising him to have his babies etc, so it was actually him being her lover.

u really need to read ppl posts properly.

Obviously, you should take your advice.

u take everything the wrong way. presley this.

Everything all the time? Really, you're overgeneralizing that much I shouldn't even bother. I actually respect you a lot based on most of the posts you make, and it's sad you're taking it the wrong way to protect somebody else and Fail to see my point/all my points. What about you calling StacyJ by her former usernames or whatever? Yeah, you get it. ...

if english isnt your first language then i guess thats why. if not then u realyl need to read things properly.

That's why? You have no idea what you're saying. I realize you being British allows you to interpret some nuances as less cold and blunt. But that doesn't give you the right to attack my nationality, or my English, which for a non-mother-tongue is more than fine, thank you. And again about reading things properly, start with yourself before all else.

makes me laugh how all these newbies jump on ppl like soundmind. someone who was here through 03-05 and picked apart the case and is still here today and u have the cheak to call them a defensive supporter. where were u in 03-05 high school?

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If that's not a personal insult, don't know what is. Was it that necessary, though..? What should it concern you I'm a newbie, just cuz I wasn't here since 2003 like you were? Do I have to fill you in of my professional and personal life that time? Starting with 2004 I was on MJEOL, for your personal curiosity, and I was filled in hours a day with how the case/then the trial went on, while going to faculty and battling my depression, really close to ending up in the hospital, as well. So you have the nerve and cheek (not 'cheak', as you wrote) to be asking me... no, accusing me of what I did that time, before even knowing, and where was I, Elusive? All for protecting your friend/internet pal? Who previously insulted me before, asking me the same as you did, but I guess loyalty is golden and great minds think alike. Surely I wouldn't ask you what you did in this or that era.

I said 'supporters', mostly because they'd prefer to be blaming Michael before blaming, say, Thome Thome, which has often been left out from discussions. Which is what Soundmind did: blame Jackson for his death as well. Certainly not gonna need information on their background to be concluding that.

Sad how some people are, and disturbing to say the least.


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he didnt work for AEG he worked for colony.

Whatever, Elusive, the point here is he was still very much instrumental in AEG's plans and the setting of the concert dates. He was pals with Randy Philips, and 'informed' him - as per Philips' own admission - on that Jackson was in 'dire need' of money etc. Dileo later would say it was Thome who was pushing for more shows a week on behalf of Jackson. Shortly afterwards, he would be fired by Jackson, then would refuse to accept that. His POA made him feel most powerful and he couldn't care or accept that Jackson himself asked him to stop representing him.
 
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They said LMP was Jackson's mistress, but were using innuendo, for, in fact, it was Her the one to follow him everywhere, promising him to have his babies etc, so it was actually him being her lover.
and the difference between a mistress and a lover is? its the same thing. they were both seeing each other after their divorce and. u make issues out of nothing

That's why? You have no idea what you're saying. I realize you being British allows you to interpret some nuances as less cold and blunt. But that doesn't give you the right to attack my nationality, or my English, which for a non-mother-tongue is more than fine, thank you. And again about reading things properly, start with yourself before all esle.
im not attacking u if u read my post right i said the reason why u keep jumping on ppl when they have said nothing wrong is maybe cause english isnt your first lanuage so u are interpretating things the wrong way and take issues when there isnt one

If that's not a personal insult, don't know what is. What should it concern you I'm a newbie, just cuz I wasn't here since 2003 like you were? Do I have to fill you in of my professional and personal life that time? Starting with 2004 I was on MJEOL, for your personal curiosity, and I was filled in hours a day with how the case/then the trial went on, while going to faculty and battling my depression, really close to ending up in the hospital, as well. So you have the nerve and cheek (not 'cheak', as you wrote) to be asking me... no, accusing me of what I did that time, before even knowing, and where was I, Elusive? All for protecting your friend/internet pal? Who previously insulted me before, asking me the same as you did, but I guess loyalty is golden and great minds think alike. Surely I wouldn't ask you what you did in this or that era.

I said 'supporters', mostly because they'd prefer to be blaming Michael before blaming, say, Thome Thome, which has often been left out from discussions. Which is what Soundmind did: blame Jackson for his death as well. Certainly not gonna need information on their background to be concluding that.

Sad how some people are, and disturbing to say the least.

soundmind didnt blame mj for his death. once again i guess thats the language barrier or u just dont like them so take issue with everything they say even when theres nothing wrong with it. thats your issue not mine or theres.
 
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Whatever, Elusive, t
gotta keep the facts straight when discussing this. over wise it makes everything else look not credible
 
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Guys how is this related to LMP?
 
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Expect more drug addict in denial stories to come out now.
 
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and the difference between a mistress and a lover is? its the same thing. they were both seeing each other after their divorce and. u make issues out of nothing

I made an issue of it, because there was not necessary for that member to be delving into Jackon's personal love life to make their point. It wasn't.

im not attacking u if u read my post right i said the reason why u keep jumping on ppl when they have said nothing wrong is maybe cause english isnt your first lanuage so u are interpretating things the wrong way and take issues when there isnt one

It's the Way some are expressing their opinions/facts which is wrong. And because a forum is not like one talking face to face with their interlocutor. And you are still generalizing me.

soundmind didnt blame mj for his death. once again i guess thats the language barrier or u just dont like them so take issue with everything they say even when theres nothing wrong with it. thats your issue not mine or theres.

It's the way they said the things they did, and they explicitly said that Jackson paid with his life for his mistake of 'hiring' Murray, to paraphrase them accurately. Meaning they put some significant blame on Jackson for dying. You too addressed that when a member the other day said more explicitly "I blame Michael" too. Different nuances, but still. And I said they don't even know whether Jackson was the one that ultimately hired Murray, which we Don't. I don't like them?.That's your own warped guess, for I don't take issue with everything they say. 0..0

... If there's nothing wrong with what they said, blaming that on either cultural differences or whatever, it Was wrong of you, for instance, to defend them by means of personally attacking me with your hazardous claims. ...

*exits thread*
 
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That is your opinion. And it's a matter of how many concerts one would have to perform that makes all the difference. And he had 50.

Not necessarily. Michael fell out in '95 and nearly died in the preparation for the one show he was preparing for HBO.

This Big comeback thing was put forth by AEG anyway, after them being turned down twice.

That was terminology everyone was using. Michael hadn't done a concert series since '97 and a full out performance since 2001. It's a common terminology for any artist, especially one of his stature, who had not been on stage in years or put out any music.

And what makes it alright to say stuff like "he would've suffered from chronic insomnia anyway".

It's like you say it's my opinion, based on what I've read and researched. But I totally admit, I could be completely wrong. Perhaps, he never mentioned deprivan to Nurse Lee or never used it before. Perhaps Murray's treatment was all Murray's idea or even AEG's. I don't know, but I haven't seen anything to support those scenarios.

Were you in Jackson's mind and heart to know that for sure, you're only speculating.

Oh, god. I wish I had been. Just for a moment. To be in his heart and mind....sigh

But getting back to reality here....

He was the one that put pressures on himself?What about many of his fans who asked him to come to their countries often, or how some were arguing among themselves that he is a has-been, a lazy bum, that he should come out with this and that bang, yada-yada...How about the media that was scrutinizing him and waiting him to fall, them even Accurately predicting his death? Why would he have the scope and pressures put on himself if not to please other people? Many of whom, if he had failed to deliver a good show, would've dropped him like hot cake. If his new songs on his new album weren't great... some of their patience already ended. So, again, did he put pressures on himself just cuz that's who he was? ....

I totally agree with. My saying he put pressures on himself goes to his feeling the pressures and expectations of others. Plus MJ wanted his show to be bigger than the best, to give something that's never been done. That's a pressure coupled with his perfectionism he put on himself.

Yeah, they did rushed him. For his first concert in 12 years, esp, they did. They didn't finish the sets, the costumes, the rehearsals, didn't manage to go through all the songs. When he Had to postpone 2 concerts, hell broke loose. If they really cared about Jackson and let him work on his own terms, given his perfectionism and seriousness, they would've pushed those concerts back somehow, don't know. If they did, worse hell would've broken loose, right? Add that to the pressures he endured and you'll get the picture.

I got the picture. Just think at this stage of his life with everything he'd been through, they could have given him a year to prepare for a concert series, and there still would have been a problem for MJ to mentally put himself back out there again. I just believe that if there was someone other than Murray in the picture, he would have succeeded.


The Case forum focuses on Murray, this is about AEG and their suit against him. This lenience for AEG really isn't warranted. (+Thome Thome, remember he was an AEG key employee who actually wanted Jackson to do more shows a week, as per Frank Dileo). People are not hungry to pass the blame on others irrationally or at all costs, not everyone, anyway. It's placing blame where warranted. It doesn't really take a scientist to notice that blaming Jackson (by those who do) is a much much easier thing to do than blaming AEG, and when some dare to blame them (again, not irrationally), that blame is quickly placed or re-placed on Jackson. That's what happens sadly, sadly.

AEG didn't give a d@mn about MJ. I agree. But they weren't injecting him with a deadly medication (from everything we know at this time) or compounding it with a drug cocktail for weeks. The person who did that is wholly responsible for MJ's death IMO.
 
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well. during the History tour , MJ was well prepared, had enough time to rehearse , was very happy, just became a dad, his mistress( Lisa Marie) was there whenever he called her , still he had insomnia and got propofol to sleep. You can blame AEG all you want, MJ suffered from insomnia all his life, whether the producers were AEG or someone else , whether there was enough time to prepare or not, whether he rehearsed or not, he was going to suffer from insomnia regardless and propofol would have been needed to get some sort of sleep.

If MJ told Murray to beat it when he told him he could do it, MJ would have been still alive today. It had nothing to do with anyone else but MJ and Murray. MJ made a mistake he hired an incompetent doctor and paid immensely for his mistake , Murray should pay for the crime he committed.

I think the problem was that the bolded above was not even necessary. What does Lisa Marie coming whenever he called have to do with anything?And the whole "mistress" part added in. (which is false, a mistress is someone you keep a secret not being all out in the open with.) :lol:The whole post is really confusing LOL
 
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they were being sarcastic/ironic/joking ie even being holed up in a bedroom with lisa on call when ever he wanted didnt help his insomnia
 
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That is your opinion. And it's a matter of how many concerts one would have to perform that makes all the difference. And he had 50.

Not necessarily. Michael fell out in '95 and nearly died in the preparation for the one show he was preparing for HBO.

I don't think number of shows is relevant in this discussion in regards to the preparation workload because 50 shows mean prepping for one show and repeating it 50 times.

If Michael died after the 11th concert than we could have argued 50 shows was too much to handle when compared to 10 shows.

In Katherine's lawsuit it's claimed that Michael having problems attending the rehearsals - if true that itself will be enough and again the number of concerts will be irrelevant.
 
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I have to say..I am probably amongst the minority that is not happy about Kenny's name being taken off the lawsuit...and that is ok. I feel by taking him off that the door is being closed for others that may have been responsible for Michael contributing death....I realize my opinion is not a popular one. But I just felt that I had to post it and get it out....I still and always will feel that everyone around Michael on a daily bases in their own way helped contribute to is death....they ll saw him ..they all had eyes. Everyone chose to say nothing..do nothing..except insist that he gets up on that stage. Michael is gone now and they have to live with themselves. ...alot went on behind the scene that we will never know about.... Like I said I don't expect to be applauded for my post....I do however hope I can be respected for my opinion.
 
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Jackson Family Lawsuit Against AEG Stays Alive

Michael Jackson's mother can sue the deep pockets behind the London concert series the King of Pop was about to begin when he died, a judge ruled today.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos denied a motion by AEG Live attorneys to dismiss the case, but said lawyers for the plaintiffs will have to provide evidence of fraud, negligent infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, which the lawsuit alleges.

Attorney Kevin Boyle, speaking on behalf of the family, praised the ruling.

"I think the judge is very smart, and this was a great success for the plaintiffs," Boyle said.

The suit was filed on Sept. 15 on behalf of Katherine Jackson and her son's three children, Michael Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine and Prince Michael, also is known as Blanket.

The suit alleges AEG Live is responsible for the medical decisions made by Dr. Conrad Murray, the singer's personal physician at the time, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death.

The suit alleges breach of contract, fraud, negligence, negligent infliction of emotional distress and employer responsibility.

In their court papers, AEG Live attorneys stated that Jackson "controlled his own medical care and hired his own longtime personal physician." The company "did not choose or hire Dr. Murray, it merely conducted negotiations named at retaining him as an independent contractor on the tour."

AEG's legal team wrote that Jackson "was not helpless or incompetent; he lived in his own home, negotiated his own contracts, engaged his own attorneys and cared for his own family."

Arguing in favor of dismissing the negligent supervision claim, AEG Live attorney Marvin S. Putnam said his clients could not have realized beforehand that Murray's medical decisions could lead to the singer's death.

"It's not foreseeable that Michael Jackson or anyone else was going to die in their own home of propofol," Putnam said.

The suit portrays the singer as being "confused, easily frightened, unable to remember, obsessive and disoriented' in the months before his June 2009 death at age 50 in Los Angeles.

"He was cold and shivering during the summer rehearsals for his show, and as shown in photographs of him, he uncharacteristically wore heavy clothing during the rehearsals, while other dancers wore scant clothing and were perspiring from the heat,' the suit states.

Rather than cut back on the rehearsal schedule so that Jackson could recuperate, AEG "insisted that he attend every rehearsal in a grueling schedule, threatening that if he missed even one more they would cancel the tour ...," his mother alleges.

She claims AEG, "so that it could reap staggering profits from the tour," instructed Jackson to stop taking medication and that he be treated only by Murray.

Jackson's eldest son suffered negligent infliction of emotional distress when he "witnessed his father suffering and accordingly has suffered great trauma and severe emotional distress," the suit says.

But according to AEG's response, the Jackson family lawyers do not allege the boy was present when Murray gave propofol to the singer, nor do they claim Michael Jr. was aware the physician was causing any harm to his father.

In her ruling, Palazuelos agreed with the AEG Live criticisms.

"The question is did he witness the negligence and did he understand what was going on," the judge said.


Palazuelos also said she had doubts about the civil conspiracy claim because there were no details in the complaint stating AEG Live and Murray had an agreement to do something unlawful.

"If the object was to get him to rehearsals I don't see that as a wrongful or an illegal act," Palazuelos said.


The judge gave the Jackson family lawyers 20 days to amend the complaint and she scheduled a case management conference for March 22.

Boyle said he expects the allegations Palazuelos found deficient to pass muster next time.

http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Lo..._Family_Lawsuit_Against_AEG_Stays_Alive/74409
 
Re: Update : Ortega removed as defendant / Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / AEG wants case dismissed

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos denied a motion by AEG Live attorneys to dismiss the case, but said lawyers for the plaintiffs will have to provide evidence of fraud, negligent infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, which the lawsuit alleges.

In her ruling, Palazuelos agreed with the AEG Live criticisms.

"The question is did he witness the negligence and did he understand what was going on," the judge said.

Palazuelos also said she had doubts about the civil conspiracy claim because there were no details in the complaint stating AEG Live and Murray had an agreement to do something unlawful.

"If the object was to get him to rehearsals I don't see that as a wrongful or an illegal act," Palazuelos said.

The judge gave the Jackson family lawyers 20 days to amend the complaint and she scheduled a case management conference for March 22.

Boyle said he expects the allegations Palazuelos found deficient to pass muster next time.

so the plaintiffs have to show their evidence of the above to the judge at the next hearing and then she will decide whether the case will go to court?
 
Re: Update : Ortega removed as defendant / Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / AEG wants case dismissed

As far as I can tell from the above article :

breach of contract (not caring of MJ's wellbeing) and negligent hiring, training and supervision of Murray claims stands and can go to trial

but

fraud, conspiracy and emotional distress of Prince is thrown out for the time being- unless KJ can come up with evidence to support those claims.
 
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