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bluetopez said:
So then why tweet and facebook how well everything was going with rehersals then? Why help promote those that could have done something about it? Did u shut up for the money too?
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So Karen Faye thought MJ could die in his condition and she contacted no one in his family or anything? That doesn't make sense to me at all
 
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Karen Faye is deserving of an Academy Award for best dramatic actress of 2009.

I'm glad fans screencapped her tweets and status. She's a damn fool. I think Karen just wants to look like some martyr going "I tried to save him". That's not what it sounds like from her tweets before June 25th, 2009.
 
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prettygirlmj said:
Karen Faye is deserving of an Academy Award for best dramatic actress of 2009.

I'm glad fans screencapped her tweets and status. She's a damn fool. I think Karen just wants to look like some martyr going "I tried to save him". That's not what it sounds like from her tweets before June 25th, 2009.
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And to be honest if she felt he needed help she probably could've saved him.. Someone should've been investigating Murray, because to me it sounds like as soon as he started 'treating' MJ, MJ took a turn for the worse. In April and May we didn't hear much about the rehearsals, but in June he started missing rehearsals and stuff like that. Murray's treatments killed MJ. And Murray being the reckless fool that he was didn't care what effects his treatments were doing to MJ. If someone , anyone would've stepped in got Murray the hell away from Mike, Mike would still be here today. Karen could've been that person
 
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ivy said:
Update :

MJ Producer Dropped From Wrongful Death Suit


Michael Jackson's producer of the "This Is It" tour just got a break in the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson -- he's been dropped as a defendant ... TMZ has learned.


Kenny Ortega was sued by Katherine, who claimed he was part of AEG's alleged plan to give Michael anything he needed in order for him to perform.

Katherine's lawyer, Kevin Boyle, tells TMZ, "Based on recently discovered information, the Jackson family has determined that Mr. Ortega should not be a defendant," adding, "The Jackson Family apologizes for any discomfort or inconvenience this may have caused Mr. Ortega."

It's always a discomfort to be sued for wrongful death.
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Oh thank you so much for this wonderful news. Kenny should not have been included in the suit. I thought Katherine's lawyers knew what they were doing?
 
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Karen needs to be careful about what she says about Kenny's culpability, since he has the money to hire attorneys. Further, unlike Michael, Kenny is alive. She betta watch her mouth.
 
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Karen doesnt care- she never has.
 
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I wonder what Karen has to say now? Did she tweet about this?
 
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Now, i expect that frivolous lawsuit to get thrown out...
 
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Petrarose said:
Karen needs to be careful about what she says about Kenny's culpability, since he has the money to hire attorneys. Further, unlike Michael, Kenny is alive. She betta watch her mouth.
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this is exactly what I was thinking too...:agree:
 
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xthunderx2 said:
I also remember her saying something like.....Oh I don't want upset him....Like really????......you could of possibly done something to help save Michael's life and you didn't want to upset him???.......she really does make me sick.
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Wow, how stupid! But, she claims to have told Kenny but, he did nothing she says! Yet, we heard him say on the stand that he sent MJ home once! But, can't recall anyone telling him that something was wrong with MJ before that!

Yet, during the TII promotions Kenny was saying MJ was in good health when he was doing the rehearsals! I believe he was tweeting all was well too!:mello:

*sigh* Amazing how everyone changed their stories! Of course Murray is to blame for MJ death! But, others were negligent with the sh*t they were seeing! The shows should have been canceled not just delayed a few days like they were, period!-_-
 
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bluetopez said:
Wow, how stupid! But, she claims to have told Kenny but, he did nothing she says! Yet, we heard him say on the stand that he sent MJ home once! But, can't recall anyone telling him that something was wrong with MJ before that!

Yet, during the TII promotions Kenny was saying MJ was in good health when he was doing the rehearsals! I believe he was tweeting all was well too!:mello:

*sigh* Amazing how everyone changed their stories! Of course Murray is to blame for MJ death! But, others were negligent with the sh*t they were seeing! The shows should have been canceled not just delayed a few days like they were, period!-_-
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The problem with that is only Michael had the ability to cancel shows. Even if people saw anything wrong and Michael denied it, there was nothing anyone could do. Otherwise, allot of acts with drug, health, and physical problems would never be allow to tour.

Kenny also said that Michael was only ill for one day. We all had days when we didn't feel well, so to say that one day should had been a warning is a little bit of a reach. A week maybe, but being sick for a day would hardly get anyone's attention. The shows also were not delay for health reasons, but for production.

Michael not feeling well also didn't kill him anyway.
 
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The problem with that is only Michael had the ability to cancel shows. Even if people saw anything wrong and Michael denied it, there was nothing anyone could do.
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They were the ones that approach MJ with doing the 02 shows! They been after him for like 3 yrs to do some kind of shows! They could have told him they don't want to continue on with the shows, if and when (as some claim now) they were concerned for his health and told these people this! I don't see how that couldn't be an option rather then the money as they turned a blind eye!

Kenny also said that Michael was only ill for one day. We all had days when we didn't feel well, so to say that one day should had been a warning is a little bit of a reach. A week maybe, but being sick for a day would hardly get anyone's attention. The shows also were not delay for health reasons, but for production.
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Michael had miss some days of rehearsals, plus that day they sent him home should have been some kind of warning sign when u put it all together!

Michael not feeling well also didn't kill him anyway.
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Huh?! MJ wasn't feeling well cause of Murray's treatment that eventually lead to his death!

I know Kenny didn't kill MJ that's not what I'm saying!

I just don't like that when he was being interviewed about MJ and promoting TII he never mentioned once he was concerned for MJs health and sent MJ home, then got scolded from Murray about it!

I only heard him say MJ was fine and healthy in interviews! He only mentions his concerns for MJ at the prelim! And the only conclusion I have as to why he never said anything right away is because that kind of info would have hurt promoting the Movie! People knowing this would have said then why weren't the rehearsals stopped?! I know I would have!
 
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bluetopez said:
Wow, how stupid! But, she claims to have told Kenny but, he did nothing she says! Yet, we heard him say on the stand that he sent MJ home once! But, can't recall anyone telling him that something was wrong with MJ before that!

Yet, during the TII promotions Kenny was saying MJ was in good health when he was doing the rehearsals! I believe he was tweeting all was well too!:mello:

*sigh* Amazing how everyone changed their stories! Of course Murray is to blame for MJ death! But, others were negligent with the sh*t they were seeing! The shows should have been canceled not just delayed a few days like they were, period!-_-
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So true. It's nearly impossible to trust anyone anymore.
 
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Sophielo said:
She didn't have to go on Facebook and Twitter to write how amazing Michael was and how well rehearsals were going but she did. She could have kept quiet, not everyone involved with TII were tweeting and Facebooking.
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That's right. Besides, there were confidentiality contracts they were bound to, so they should've kept plain quiet about it altogether and try to deal with the alleged issues from inside. Not go about lying or exaggerating on social networking sites on that she can't wait to go to London - about how great she feels about that she's been rehired by Michael - or with Michael to France after This Is It would have been finished. .... Isn't that self-contradicting oneself? And being a bit self-centered too? You can't be worried and excited at the same time.
 
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bluetopez said:
They were the ones that approach MJ with doing the 02 shows! They been after him for like 3 yrs to do some kind of shows! They could have told him they don't want to continue on with the shows, if and when (as some claim now) they were concerned for his health and told these people this! I don't see how that couldn't be an option rather then the money as they turned a blind eye!
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Yes rowe said in the this is it special features thing that they asked michael a whie back bout doing some shows and michael told them no he wasnt ready.
 
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ivy said:
call me skeptical but I don't think they discovered anything new. Let's look to timeline

January 7th Kenny files his request to be removed as defendant
January 20th Katherine files her opposition to this request
January 26th Kenny files an additional response to address KJ's claims.
February 1 Katherine removes Kenny as defendant.

So they claim they discovered new information in the last 11 days? I'll say not likely.

It's most probably as Kenny was hired as an independent contractor a)he wasn't a representative of AEG and
as he had nothing to do with hiring and paying of Murray b)he wasn't in a position to dictate MJ's healthcare to Murray and c)can't be expected to supervise Murray.
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Kenny was essential to their lawsuit, the riot act incident which seemed the most 'damaging' evidence against AEG was based on what Kenny supposedly told Karen Faye. When they remove Kenny, they are admitting the scenario they claimed took place that day was baseless . How now they are going to prove AEG asked MJ to stop seeing Klien and demanded he only be treated by Murray?

I believe Katherine's lawyers are telling her people are gonna sue her for the false claims she listed in her lawsuit and that's the only way Katherine would back off .

I don't believe Randy agreed to remove Kenny, Randy and Karen were the two who came up with that story, I do believe the lawyers told Katherine people she wrongfully accused are sooner than later going to start to sue her.
 
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bluetopez said:
They were the ones that approach MJ with doing the 02 shows! They been after him for like 3 yrs to do some kind of shows! They could have told him they don't want to continue on with the shows, if and when (as some claim now) they were concerned for his health and told these people this! I don't see how that couldn't be an option rather then the money as they turned a blind eye!

Michael had miss some days of rehearsals, plus that day they sent him home should have been some kind of warning sign when u put it all together!

Huh?! MJ wasn't feeling well cause of Murray's treatment that eventually lead to his death!

I know Kenny didn't kill MJ that's not what I'm saying!

I just don't like that when he was being interviewed about MJ and promoting TII he never mentioned once he was concerned for MJs health and sent MJ home, then got scolded from Murray about it!

I only heard him say MJ was fine and healthy in interviews! He only mentions his concerns for MJ at the prelim! And the only conclusion I have as to why he never said anything right away is because that kind of info would have hurt promoting the Movie! People knowing this would have said then why weren't the rehearsals stopped?! I know I would have!
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Michael has said no since 2002 too. So he was the one who said yes this time. AEG could not force him to back down of the shows unless he breach his contract. Which is what I meant. Also, Michael could had scaled down the shows himself if it was becoming too much. He was a 50 years man and should had known when to stop without AEG or Kenny holding his hand.

Being sick for one or two days and missing rehearsals isn't no major warning sign. I know people who take off for work for a week just because they came down with a cold. Not feeling well for and being sent him doesn't amount to much. Kenny also said that Michael was fine and himself on the 23 and the 24. So, whatever problems he had, Kenny could had easily figure it had passed.

We also don't know the exact timeframe Murray was given Michael any kind of drug. We only have Murray's word and Michael's behavior could easily be explain as him suffering from a lack of sleep. That was the only point I'm trying to make.

It's easy to go back with 20/20 hindsight and said this and that should had happened, but we don't live in that kind of world. In the end, Michael holds more responsibility for his own health then AEG or Kenny. If he wanted to stop TII, he was more than able to do it himself, just like how he turned down AEG for several years.
 
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Ramona122003 said:
We also don't know the exact timeframe Murray was given Michael any kind of drug. We only have Murray's word and Michael's behavior could easily be explain as him suffering from a lack of sleep. It's easy to go back with 20/20 hindsight and said this and that should had happened, but we don't live in that kind of world.
So, you're saying all of the above. Yet resort to speculative scenarios and even personal certainties in the same post, as seen below:

Ramona122003 said:
AEG could not force him to back down of the shows unless he breach his contract. Also, Michael could had scaled down the shows himself if it was becoming too much. He was a 50 years man and should had known when to stop without AEG or Kenny holding his hand. Being sick for one or two days and missing rehearsals isn't no major warning sign. I know people who take off for work for a week just because they came down with a cold. Not feeling well for and being sent him doesn't amount to much. Kenny also said that Michael was fine and himself on the 23 and the 24. So, whatever problems he had, Kenny could had easily figure it had passed. In the end, Michael holds more responsibility for his own health then AEG or Kenny. If he wanted to stop TII, he was more than able to do it himself, just like how he turned down AEG for several years.
So, it's really safe to say you're contradicting yourself and safe to say you don't know what really happened those days, or better said, "it's easy to go back with 20/20 hindsight and said this and that should had happened, but we don't live in that kind of world", to be quoting your conclusion.
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I know some of you were wondering if the TMZ story is true for certain and it is. The below is from the court website - it says that Katherine's lawyer filed a request to remove Kenny.

02/01/2011 Request and Entry of Dismissal (with prejudice, as to defdt KENNETH ORTEGA (AKA KENNY ORTEGA) AN INVIDUAL ONLY ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
 
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Big Apple2 said:
I'm delighted to hear this news, and HOPE it's really true.

Kenny Ortega should have NEVER been added to this lawsuit in the first place. How the flock can you justify filing a lawsuit, a wrongful death lawsuit at that, and NOT have all of the necessary information.

Apology my behind! They need to reimburse Kenny for the money he had to lay-out in order to hire an attorney to defend him from this FARCE.

So EMBARRASSING to have filed a lawsuit, and then have to apologize because you didn't have all of the necessary information and "most likely" just relied on hear-say and stories that were third-fourth hand tellings.

Mr. Ortega I'm sorry you had to be put through this nonsense!
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Totally agree! One more excuse for the Jackson clan (with exception of Prince, Paris and Blanket) to blame anyone but themselves for any sort of responsibility towards their son/brother's death! Surely most families would be gathering together to go after justice for Michael (seem to me, frankly, that the fans have done much more in this regard than the actual Jackson family altogether!) rather than diss and attack his memory, name and legacy!
 
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Alma said:
It wasn't Jackson's decision to die, and If he hired Murray, that was his responsibility as a doctor to take care of him. You weren't there in that room to be saying whose decision it was for sure. And Jackson isn't here to be commenting on this, and Murray is the one who's on trial for his blatant disconcern of human life. That still doesn't make AEG guiltless, even though there are many supporters of them, they still were the ones who hurried to sell tickets and set the date as July 8, knowing how nobody would have the time to finish rehearsals by that time, which they weren't, hence the postponement of 2 concerts only. Then general mayhem began. ... And certainly one wouldn't want to remember that again. ......
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It's not supporting AEG. It's rather recognizing that just because AEG was in a business relationship with MJ and applying the pressure any business partner would under the circumstances that they are not as guilty as Murray. Were they guilty and complicit in MJ's stress? Of course they were. I just happen to believe if there was no AEG, and Michael was totally footing the bill, the scope and pressures he put on himself for this BIG COMEBACK would have still led to his debilitating chronic insomnia and a doctor to help him.

You said AEG rushed the concert. Actually, they didn't. The timeframe of about 3 months from announcement to first show is about normal, and MJ had 4 months. Three months is especially normal if all the venues are lined up, and MJ was going to be in one location for all his shows. Plus, the show grew and grew in production values because MJ wanted to make his comeback "something they'd never seen before." If the show had kept to a smaller scale, the timeframe wouldn't have been its eventual overwhelming prospect. In fact, it was the production values that caused the push back of the first concert, not the singing and dancing. Everyone, even outsiders like the grammy exec who was there that last night, said that MJ did a full out rehearsal and was totally back in his element. I'll never forget that smile of satisfaction on MJ's face in completing his final song set.

It's not supporting AEG remembering all that. It's placing blame where its fully warranted. On Conrad Murray.
 
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well. during the History tour , MJ was well prepared, had enough time to rehearse , was very happy, just became a dad, his mistress( Lisa Marie) was there whenever he called her , still he had insomnia and got propofol to sleep. You can blame AEG all you want, MJ suffered from insomnia all his life, whether the producers were AEG or someone else , whether there was enough time to prepare or not, whether he rehearsed or not, he was going to suffer from insomnia regardless and propofol would have been needed to get some sort of sleep.

If MJ told Murray to beat it when he told him he could do it, MJ would have been still alive today. It had nothing to do with anyone else but MJ and Murray. MJ made a mistake he hired an incompetent doctor and paid immensely for his mistake , Murray should pay for the crime he committed.
 
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gerryevans said:
It's not supporting AEG. It's rather recognizing that just because AEG was in a business relationship with MJ and applying the pressure any business partner would under the circumstances that they are not as guilty as Murray. Were they guilty and complicit in MJ's stress? Of course they were. I just happen to believe if there was no AEG, and Michael was totally footing the bill, the scope and pressures he put on himself for this BIG COMEBACK would have still led to his debilitating chronic insomnia and a doctor to help him.

You said AEG rushed the concert. Actually, they didn't. The timeframe of about 3 months from announcement to first show is about normal, and MJ had 4 months. Three months is especially normal if all the venues are lined up, and MJ was going to be in one location for all his shows. Plus, the show grew and grew in production values because MJ wanted to make his comeback "something they'd never seen before." If the show had kept to a smaller scale, the timeframe wouldn't have been its eventual overwhelming prospect. In fact, it was the production values that caused the push back of the first concert, not the singing and dancing. Everyone, even outsiders like the grammy exec who was there that last night, said that MJ did a full out rehearsal and was totally back in his element. I'll never forget that smile of satisfaction on MJ's face in completing his final song set.

It's not supporting AEG remembering all that. It's placing blame where its fully warranted. On Conrad Murray.
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Quoted for truth, as they say. Thank you!
 
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Soundmind said:
well. during the History tour , MJ was well prepared, had enough time to rehearse , was very happy, just became a dad, his mistress( Lisa Marie) was there whenever he called her , still he had insomnia and got propofol to sleep. You can blame AEG all you want, MJ suffered from insomnia all his life, whether the producers were AEG or someone else , whether there was enough time to prepare or not, whether he rehearsed or not, he was going to suffer from insomnia regardless and propofol would have been needed to get some sort of sleep.

If MJ told Murray to beat it when he told him he could do it, MJ would have been still alive today. It had nothing to do with anyone else but MJ and Murray. MJ made a mistake he hired an incompetent doctor and paid immensely for his mistake , Murray should pay for the crime he committed.
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Finally!!!! Someone with common sense... The whole post gets 2 thumbs up from me...but the bolded part :clapping::clapping::clapping:

I am sick of people blaming others for MJ & Murray. MJ already paid the price for his mistake.

But blaming AEG & Kenny is pretty low. MJ was 50....folks need to stop acting like MJ was retarded. If he didn't want to eat blame Kenny...he wanted Murray as his MD blame AEG.

KO should have chewed the food and push it down MJ's throat. Just like Randy Phillips should have invade MJ's privacy & take up residence at the house and demanded to know what kind of treatment he was getting from Murray.

Waiting for someone to blame the children next...
 
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omg I just trying to ignore Randy, he had clearly proved that he knows nothing at all!! (I won't say lies bc idk if they were intentional).

And the Jackson are just trying to get money out of AEG (good for Murray) and now they are calling him a drug addict even though they hardly involved in his life................. and they were the ones who asked MJ to tour with them! If your family member had that kind of problem would you ask him to tour with you?????
 
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why oh why did Murray pretend like he knew what he was doing when he didn't? Poor MJ.. I really wish he would've told someone of his problems much earlier and he could've gotten some real help. I'm sure being Michael Jackson someone could've found this man a sleep therapist who could've helped him..

And who exactly referred MJ to Murray? Did we ever find out which bodyguard that was?
 
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Kenny Ortega is no longer named in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson, but Michael's younger brother Randy isn't offering an olive branch to the This Is It choreographer.
In a statement, Randy says:

  • "My mother's a very kind and sweet woman, however the Jackson family as a whole does NOT extend any sort of an apology to Kenny Ortega. In their obsession to get the show out, it appears Kenny & AEG didn’t care about my brother’s health & they didn’t inform the family at times driving my brother to tears. Michael would still be here had they informed his family of the situation. More facts will come out."
Just yesterday, Katherine's attorney released a statement claiming the family "determined that Mr. Ortega should not be a defendant."
Boyle added, "The Jackson Family apologizes for any discomfort or inconvenience this may have caused Mr. Ortega."

http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_-_randy_jackson_to_kenny_orteg.php
 
marc_vivien;3226407 said:
Kenny Ortega is no longer named in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson, but Michael's younger brother Randy isn't offering an olive branch to the This Is It choreographer.
In a statement, Randy says:

  • "My mother's a very kind and sweet woman, however the Jackson family as a whole does NOT extend any sort of an apology to Kenny Ortega. In their obsession to get the show out, it appears Kenny & AEG didn’t care about my brother’s health & they didn’t inform the family at times driving my brother to tears. Michael would still be here had they informed his family of the situation. More facts will come out."
Just yesterday, Katherine's attorney released a statement claiming the family "determined that Mr. Ortega should not be a defendant."
Boyle added, "The Jackson Family apologizes for any discomfort or inconvenience this may have caused Mr. Ortega."

http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_-_randy_jackson_to_kenny_orteg.php
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wow. one thing for sure Jackson's never cease to amaze us.

and when will these "facts come out" ? with nothing coming out till now I'm feeling like this is a wild goose chase.
 
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