The Healer
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I hate the fact that these kind of discussions will be happening every time a new song leaks. Unbelivable.
p.s. Ja sam iz Osijeka.
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I hate the fact that these kind of discussions will be happening every time a new song leaks. Unbelivable.
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Yep..recognize it immediately :yes:
It's very odd how it just happens for every Cascio track has a different voice from every other song he's done...When they say these tracks were 'recently brought to completion' I wonder how recent they mean? >_>
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I hate the fact that these kind of discussions will be happening every time a new song leaks. Unbelivable.
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Iz Sarajeva
A funny side note:
FORD lost all his masters of this remix. Should we accuse him of fraud because of this? If his name was Cascio, you surely would.
Another funny side note that someone sent to me:
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Apparently from this page:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/89048-One-More-Chance-(Ford-Remix)-*Lossless-Digital-Source!*
(I can't verify it personally because I'm not a donator, but I'm sure others can verify this one.)
Just a few seconds...I don't actually remember now...That's the thing with the Cascio tracks - I'm usually so disgusted with what I hear, I only listen once lol
love is magical
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I always remember a Michael Jackson song even from just one single listen. I'm The Loser just won't escape my mind. It's forever imprinted in my brain. Even the two-second long Days in the Gloucestershire registered in my mind. However, I honestly don't remember what Burn 2night sounds like. Soldier Boy is gettin blurry too.
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Pentum, the way you were treated on MaxJax today is disgusting.
love is magical
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I second that. I can't believe how continuous baseless accusations are not being stopped.
love is magical
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^ It was not DIG
So, that's mislabelled??? And, there is actually a recorded HT bridge. :wild:
I know, I hoped mods would remove all those posts, but they didn't...
Yes, but from what I know, it's just a little talking along with falsetto notes.
love is magical
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I have followed this discussion and the new album thread for more than a year now. I've never been this frustrated. More recently than before, I find I'm in a position where I need to defend my own sanity and intelligence. Remarks becoming more and more insulting and condescending. I feel exhausted.
Anyway, why in this world would Teddy Riley decide to totally change the bridge instead of using what Michael left us? :sigh:
Michael: "Bridge. You keep the loop drums going here".
Teddy: "Let's remove those drums, I don't like those."
Neff-U: "Are you serious?"
Teddy: "Can't you hear the auth- authent- authenticity in my voice?"
:no:
love is magical
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WTF??? When would Teddy learn? You don't mess around something by a genius!!!
It is very disheartening.
Extra songwriting royalties :no:
@Pentum...I too was quite shocked at the way you were treated....Actually, more shocked at the fact that nothing was done
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^^co-sign. agreed.
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@ TPIMaster: I know I wrote this. This was BEFORE I asked FORD via email if that's really MJ (which I didn't believe at first) and he told me about his masters being lost due to a computer crash.
FORD confirmed it's Michael Jackson, NOT R. Kelly (which I assumed). There's no need to quote me as my opinion doesn't have any value.
Due to TPIMaster's intervention, let me re-post this properly:
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Where's the evidence it's Michael singing on this OFFICIAL and released remix of "One More Chance" produced by FORD?
And especially @ TPIMaster:
Many people thought (and still think) it wouldn't be Michael Jackson's voice processed but another singer. E.g. I thought for a long time it might be R. Kelly's voice but processed, too.
However this was BEFORE I asked FORD via email if that's really Michael Jackson (which I didn't believe at first).
FORD confirmed it's Michael Jackson (not just to me, other fans have contacted him as well) and NOT R. Kelly (which I assumed as a possibility). There's no need to quote me as my opinion doesn't have any value. I'm neither God nor all-knowing about MJ - as anyone else here.
And everyone who now says: "This is CLEARLY MJ's voice but processed, can't you hear?" isn't honest at all and tries to get rid of sth "displeasing":
A funny side note:
FORD lost all his masters of this remix. Should we accuse him of fraud because of this? If his name was Cascio, you surely would.
Let's see who wants to avoid a serious discussion this time...
FORD confirmed it's Michael Jackson, NOT R. Kelly (which I assumed). There's no need to quote me as my opinion doesn't have any value.
Due to TPIMaster's intervention, let me re-post this properly:
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Where's the evidence it's Michael singing on this OFFICIAL and released remix of "One More Chance" produced by FORD?
And especially @ TPIMaster:
Many people thought (and still think) it wouldn't be Michael Jackson's voice processed but another singer. E.g. I thought for a long time it might be R. Kelly's voice but processed, too.
However this was BEFORE I asked FORD via email if that's really Michael Jackson (which I didn't believe at first).
FORD confirmed it's Michael Jackson (not just to me, other fans have contacted him as well) and NOT R. Kelly (which I assumed as a possibility). There's no need to quote me as my opinion doesn't have any value. I'm neither God nor all-knowing about MJ - as anyone else here.
And everyone who now says: "This is CLEARLY MJ's voice but processed, can't you hear?" isn't honest at all and tries to get rid of sth "displeasing":
- FORD has never presented any proof for it (exactly like Eddie Cascio)
- We just have FORD's word (exactly like Eddie Cascio's word)
A funny side note:
FORD lost all his masters of this remix. Should we accuse him of fraud because of this? If his name was Cascio, you surely would.
Let's see who wants to avoid a serious discussion this time...
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Time to bring in some QUOTES:
Now that he said it's MJ, you believe him, Korgy?
I'm not saying it's not MJ, but if the Cascio songs leaked as Jason songs and you believed they were Jason, then later The Cascios and Sony shows up saying it's MJ. Would you then change your mind?
EDIT: Copy paste from MaxJax:
I honestly believe this is R. Kelly. It sounds too much like R. Kelly, and McNabb described it well. It's funny how I made a thread about this last night, haha, because it's kinda the same.
Listen to this. The R. Kelly vocals in MJ's One More Chance are "under" MJ's vocals towards the end. You can hear them, but MJ is singing over as well. But in the FORD remix, there are none of the "MJ vocals singing over", it's ONLY R. KELLY'S VOCALS FROM THE MJ OMC. The lead vocals sound more like R. Kelly than MJ as well, I think most people can agree on that.
http://soundcloud.com/pentum/omc-r-kelly-2
I do believe there are a few MJ vocals, it's hard to tell. The "ahaaaaa, alright" is 100% MJ, but overall, the lead vocals are IMO R. Kelly.
I'm not saying it's not MJ, but if the Cascio songs leaked as Jason songs and you believed they were Jason, then later The Cascios and Sony shows up saying it's MJ. Would you then change your mind?
EDIT: Copy paste from MaxJax:
I honestly believe this is R. Kelly. It sounds too much like R. Kelly, and McNabb described it well. It's funny how I made a thread about this last night, haha, because it's kinda the same.
Listen to this. The R. Kelly vocals in MJ's One More Chance are "under" MJ's vocals towards the end. You can hear them, but MJ is singing over as well. But in the FORD remix, there are none of the "MJ vocals singing over", it's ONLY R. KELLY'S VOCALS FROM THE MJ OMC. The lead vocals sound more like R. Kelly than MJ as well, I think most people can agree on that.
http://soundcloud.com/pentum/omc-r-kelly-2
I do believe there are a few MJ vocals, it's hard to tell. The "ahaaaaa, alright" is 100% MJ, but overall, the lead vocals are IMO R. Kelly.
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
What Aaron has done is a bad thing. I see that the Estate does not react. From what I see, some fans are much more acute when it comes to MJ's legacy than the Estate/SONY/the Jacksons.
So, can we in these difficult times first STOP jumping at each other, and second act always united as an unofficial Estate not driven by the money, but by MJ's legacy.
It is good that we can be MJ's voice in these difficult times to defend the one that is not with us, but I think that we are in desperate need of a much better structure. In order to have a better structure we need to avoid chaos, which so far hasn't been our strongest asset.
I wouldn't like to hijack this thread, but MJ's legacy is still not defended as it should be regarding the Cascio tracks. We clearly lack zeal when it comes to those tracks. Now, before some of you stone me for saying this, those who believe and those who don't believe those tracks to be genuine have been seriously divided for months to the point that fans have been insulting each other. This is something that should have NEVER happpened, especially when a new album is released! What have we done to improve the situation? ....NOTHING!
I am not asking the believers to change their opinion, nor am I asking the doubters to change theirs. I am asking to stand united in such a controversy and to understand the fans that are not at rest when it comes to MJ's legacy. In this case the doubters are clearly not at ease and we (I am one of them) need believers' help - UNITY and SUPPORT.
All we are asking is: what happened to those Cascio tracks?
We haven't had much information. As far as I am concerned, given the fact that there is no trace of the recordings of those tracks, we should demand from the Estate and from SONY a detailed report of the musicologists and the methods they used to determine that it is MJ's voice as they claim. We even don't know who were those so called BEST musicologists who determined that it is MJ's voice on those tracks. Do you?
The bottom line is that we should stay united no matter what. It doesn't matter if we are believers or doubters, but we should never ever doubt the authenticity of MJ's tracks for the sake of MJ's legacy.
Just as for Aaron's ambiguous statements, we should unite and demand appropriate action when it comes to ambiguous tracks instead of insulting each others on the forums. We need each others, let's not forget it.
Do you want more MJ's albums with angry fans? What did the Estate do regarding Aaron's interview? What did it do regarding the Cascio tracks? Nothing sufficiently in any case. We clearly can't count on anyone but on ourselves.
What Aaron has done is a bad thing. I see that the Estate does not react. From what I see, some fans are much more acute when it comes to MJ's legacy than the Estate/SONY/the Jacksons.
So, can we in these difficult times first STOP jumping at each other, and second act always united as an unofficial Estate not driven by the money, but by MJ's legacy.
It is good that we can be MJ's voice in these difficult times to defend the one that is not with us, but I think that we are in desperate need of a much better structure. In order to have a better structure we need to avoid chaos, which so far hasn't been our strongest asset.
I wouldn't like to hijack this thread, but MJ's legacy is still not defended as it should be regarding the Cascio tracks. We clearly lack zeal when it comes to those tracks. Now, before some of you stone me for saying this, those who believe and those who don't believe those tracks to be genuine have been seriously divided for months to the point that fans have been insulting each other. This is something that should have NEVER happpened, especially when a new album is released! What have we done to improve the situation? ....NOTHING!
I am not asking the believers to change their opinion, nor am I asking the doubters to change theirs. I am asking to stand united in such a controversy and to understand the fans that are not at rest when it comes to MJ's legacy. In this case the doubters are clearly not at ease and we (I am one of them) need believers' help - UNITY and SUPPORT.
All we are asking is: what happened to those Cascio tracks?
We haven't had much information. As far as I am concerned, given the fact that there is no trace of the recordings of those tracks, we should demand from the Estate and from SONY a detailed report of the musicologists and the methods they used to determine that it is MJ's voice as they claim. We even don't know who were those so called BEST musicologists who determined that it is MJ's voice on those tracks. Do you?
The bottom line is that we should stay united no matter what. It doesn't matter if we are believers or doubters, but we should never ever doubt the authenticity of MJ's tracks for the sake of MJ's legacy.
Just as for Aaron's ambiguous statements, we should unite and demand appropriate action when it comes to ambiguous tracks instead of insulting each others on the forums. We need each others, let's not forget it.
Do you want more MJ's albums with angry fans? What did the Estate do regarding Aaron's interview? What did it do regarding the Cascio tracks? Nothing sufficiently in any case. We clearly can't count on anyone but on ourselves.
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
please not another Cascio tracks discussion..... please please
please not another Cascio tracks discussion..... please please
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
Read again. It is not a Cascio discussion, it is MJ's Legacy discussion. Aaron being just one tiny detail compared to what is going on. but if you already react like that, then the unity is definitely compromized among fans.
Read again. It is not a Cascio discussion, it is MJ's Legacy discussion. Aaron being just one tiny detail compared to what is going on. but if you already react like that, then the unity is definitely compromized among fans.
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
I read. What's stopping you from starting a similar campaign/letter about Cascio songs in a separate thread? People who share your point of view will join you, just like people joined this campaign. That's all.
I read. What's stopping you from starting a similar campaign/letter about Cascio songs in a separate thread? People who share your point of view will join you, just like people joined this campaign. That's all.
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
Lack of unity. No offense, but your comment proves it.
Lack of unity. No offense, but your comment proves it.
JMie
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
yeah, because I have a different opinion about the Cascio songs, but again this is not the place to discuss it.
yeah, because I have a different opinion about the Cascio songs, but again this is not the place to discuss it.
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
I think you're right about the Cascio tracks and we need to do something tangible not only discussions.
But again I don't think you're quite right about the lack of unity in this community.This aron story proves contrary.We are united and we know how to take action.
I think the problem is that many/some of us, believers or doubters, don't understand properly the constant threat and the damage caused by these Cascio on Michael's legacy.Or they don't believe at all they are a threat.:sad:
I think you're right about the Cascio tracks and we need to do something tangible not only discussions.
But again I don't think you're quite right about the lack of unity in this community.This aron story proves contrary.We are united and we know how to take action.
I think the problem is that many/some of us, believers or doubters, don't understand properly the constant threat and the damage caused by these Cascio on Michael's legacy.Or they don't believe at all they are a threat.:sad:
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
I agree with you Bumpy, but.
and they're satisfied with the argument Sony gave. Sadly
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Did you guys watch the video? E says AC defends MJ?
http://www.eonline.com/videos/v166934_aaron-carter-defends-michael-jackson.html
I agree with you Bumpy, but.
and they're satisfied with the argument Sony gave. Sadly
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Did you guys watch the video? E says AC defends MJ?
http://www.eonline.com/videos/v166934_aaron-carter-defends-michael-jackson.html
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Re: Aaron Carter Claims MJ Gave Him Drugs *Update Post 41* Merged
Did you read what I wrote? Opinions aren't the issue. Nobody's forcing you to change your opinion, unless you want to say that the unity isn't necessary.
I was referring to any issue, including the Cascio songs, not only to this Aaron's interview.
Did you read what I wrote? Opinions aren't the issue. Nobody's forcing you to change your opinion, unless you want to say that the unity isn't necessary.
I was referring to any issue, including the Cascio songs, not only to this Aaron's interview.
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look, I agree with you that Sony and the estate should make their musical analysis public. I agree that the current situation is very unhealthy for the fan community and for Michael's legacy. What I am saying and have been saying since day one is that instead of writing countless posts between each other on different forums you (not you personally but the fans who doubt the vocals) should start acting. I think the start should come from the doubters because they are the most passionate about this issue. Look how it happened with the Carter situation - TheChosenOne went and wrote a letter, and it all started from there. People read the letter, joined the discussion and the whole campaign. I think that in the case of Cascio songs there should be someone who will start everything. Until such person appears it will be talk talk talk