MJ Forever Tribute/ MJJC Statement / Estate statement / Fan letter pg51/ GLE put on administration

Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Here's my take on this. The Jackson family seems unable to comprehend that they do NOT have the right to use Michael's "name, image, music, writings, or logos," for marketing. . ANYTHING. Or, they DO comprehend, and are hoping that the Estate will not "go after" Katherine, as Michael's MOTHER? Therefore, she's out-in-front with all these new ventures.

Michael was a human-being, with a family and friends. He was also a CORPORATION. That's just how it is. The parents and siblings have as theirs, their past relationships with Michael, and their memories. They do NOT have "the products," unless there are some things he clearly gave to them as gifts when he was alive.

The will states that Katherine will be well taken-care-of "for the rest of her life." She is not young. When she dies, her portion of the estate reverts back to the children. She receives a stipend, but will be unable to give any of the estate to her other children in a will. Not at all. It's not hers to give. Therefore, the Jacksons are trying to get as much income as they can from Michael's name, while Katherine is still living. When she is NOT alive anymore, they lose all access. I'd expect this puts enormous pressure on Michael's three children-- brainwashing? Strong suggestions? -- to CONTINUE to take care of the entire family, as an "obligation." They actually have NO such "obligation."

The Estate is charged with growing the money, and preserving it for Michael's CHILDREN. In that sense, Estate and children are on the same page. The more money the executors make for the estate, the more money THEY make, as individuals. They get a percentage of each transaction, and the money gained is HUGE! Also, the more money the children gather in. So, it is in the Estate's best interests to stamp out conflicting money-making schemes. Yet, they are constrained by not wanting to land too hard. . . on KATHERINE.

When Michael was a child, he was essentially "owned" by his parents, i.e. lost his childhood while all of them gained enormous wealth. For a long time, his father was also his "manager," and who knows what kind of salary he paid HIMSELF? As an adult, Michael broke with the "family business," and forged an amazing career. The family does not OWN him anymore, as a "money-making asset." The only family member who even comes close, is Janet. But, Janet is not the cultural icon that her brother was/is. It was Michael's incredible charisma that propelled the J-5 to super-stardom. Without Michael, it's doubtful the group would have been successful. And now, NONE of the siblings, except Janet have any sort of viable career, at all.

Which brings us to the present.
The money-train ENDS with Katherine. Any money she passes to the other siblings comes from her stipend. But there must be PRESSURE to get as much as possible, while the getting is good, i.e. OTHER money-making ventures. The fan pressure about the Tribute concert surely contributed to the forcefulness of the Estate's response. NOBODY seems to want this concert, except the Jackson siblings (most of them). The Estate seems to have been, so far, holding back somewhat in shutting down ALL of these schemes out of respect for Katherine. Their letter was FORCEFUL, and to the point. I think their patience with her, and the rest of the family, may be at an end. I HOPE SO!

The Estate is ultimately for Michael's CHILDREN! That is how it was set up. Anything the children give to the rest of the family, will be their choice, at their discretion. Michael INTENTIONALLY did not include any other family members in the will!

The Estate's letter was a GOOD thing, for the Executors, for the fans, and for the CHILDREN!
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

By the way, that guy next to Katherine at the CNN interview was indeed creepy...
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Thanks MJJC and the Estate for the statements. I support them %100. :)
 
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I am shocked and actually offended that we have not had any statement from either Global or the Jacksons, and still no official word on kiss being dropped.

Also if it's not cancelled I bet they extend the registration date.

Me too. Was Majestik the best they could do? Meh, I won't accept that.
 
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I am shocked and actually offended that we have not had any statement from either Global or the Jacksons, and still no official word on kiss being dropped.

Also if it's not cancelled I bet they extend the registration date.

I'm wondering if we will get any statement from them, seems like they would rather bury their heads in sand like ostriches..Even if they did, both have zero credibility I can't imagine anyone buying any BS excuse they come up with.
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

The will states that Katherine will be well taken-care-of "for the rest of her life." She is not young. When she dies, her portion of the estate reverts back to the children. She receives a stipend, but will be unable to give any of the estate to her other children in a will. Not at all. It's not hers to give. Therefore, the Jacksons are trying to get as much income as they can from Michael's name, while Katherine is still living. When she is NOT alive anymore, they lose all access. I'd expect this puts enormous pressure on Michael's three children-- brainwashing? Strong suggestions? -- to CONTINUE to take care of the entire family, as an "obligation." They actually have NO such "obligation."

This is so true, and it scares me to death...
Michael made his will very clear and intelligently...

Still, when Katherine will die, where are the kids gonna go? That scares me.
Joe? Latoya? Who is gonna try to rip these kids out of their father's money by saying they love them?
 
In the open letter Lawyer Weitzman has mentions Michael's father as a supporter (involved?).
I had already been surprised all the time that Joe Jackson hides just with such a lucrative plan.

If Joe becomes active in view of Michael is always either the „legendary concert promoter“ L. Rowe or / and „the long-standing confidant and manager of Michael“ D. Wiesner with in the play. Either openly or in the background.
Where Joe is, there is also Wiesner not far away. And already for days I make to myself thus my thoughts about that. Because: For me it was not conceivable that there with this concert plan Wiesner would also not cook his little soup in any form.

We know about different occasions that the executors never react hastily. They act when they have examined before thoroughly.
Therefore if Mr. Weitzman writes, Joe is also "a supporter", then I hold it for a correctly careful formulation. Since any more is probably not to be proved at the moment

Do You still remember that here in the other Thread was written „If they don't have the permission of the Estate, they also can make no Merchandising on the concert.“?

But yes! Of course they can make their merchandising!
Have You forgotten then the HIStory logo and UD-Group and the participation Joe's in the business which UD is doing with this logo? And the fact that Wiesner there is sitting right in the middle?
UD-Group seems for You to be far away, nearly on the moon. I can assure You, they are not "far away", because the brand right for this logo is valid worldwide.

Well; if You look at the Internet-page of UD / umadubhé You will ascertain, that (still!!!) the business probably closer is on the edge of the bankruptcy is than to be a successful enterprise.

Therefore, what is closer than to announce itself as a distributor of "Michael-Jackson-Merchandising" on a big event! And if the silly fans have got to know there the company for Michaels Merchandising, they know which Internet page they have to search if they want to buy something in future.

I'll bet bet that this promoting of the merchandising with the HIStory logo is at least the second important concern which should be reached with this concert.


(and before here somebody asks, why I come, actually, always with the Wiesner around the corner and before I wake the impression to be paranoid with You:
No!, I don't know Wiesner; I am not one of the stockholders who have lost money with MJ Net Entertainment at that time and I also know none of these stockholders!
I have pursued merely Wiesners work concerning Michael from 1996 up to Michael's death and up to this day. And he has sat Michael in the nape and he has had possibly Michael in the hand up to the moment when he died.
And I think even about whether he does not make a continuation now with Michael's parents. It would not be impossible.)



Definitely they do not become canceln this concert!
Think of the contracts with the artists! It would become tremendously expensive. Who will pay this? The Estate? No, they can't!
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Kudos to the Estate and Gaz for standing up to this farce of GL for this so called "Michael tribute".
Can't believe they have not booted themselves out yet.
Just when you think things couldn't get any worse, they bombed us
with Gene Simmons - KISS! LOL! ... Circus at it's best!
And now that their website is down,
we're just counting down to them pulling the plug.....
 
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Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Terms and condition have changed, registration ends on August 21st
But they still say that ''the process of allocation Tickets is anticipated but not guaranteed to occur on or before 17 August 2011...
 
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K
And now that their website is down,
we're just counting down to them pulling the plug.....

Is the website down? I thought it was updated with the new artists.
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Guys, please do not judge without being sure. The placement of Katherine was misinterpreted.
Katherine loves Michael foremost. And Michael really loves her. Please let's respect it Katherine.

Her intention is to honor him by 40-year career. The money will be converted to Foundation Fighting AIDS.
The trial of Dr Conrad Murray will pause on that day will be on a Saturday. A tribute to Michael will only show how much we love him and how his memory lives on in our hearts.
Owner Katherine had no knowledge of the statements made by the leader of this band in question.

I think you have missed quite a lot of information...
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Here's my take on this. The Jackson family seems unable to comprehend that they do NOT have the right to use Michael's "name, image, music, writings, or logos," for marketing. . ANYTHING. Or, they DO comprehend, and are hoping that the Estate will not "go after" Katherine, as Michael's MOTHER? Therefore, she's out-in-front with all these new ventures.

Michael was a human-being, with a family and friends. He was also a CORPORATION. That's just how it is. The parents and siblings have as theirs, their past relationships with Michael, and their memories. They do NOT have "the products," unless there are some things he clearly gave to them as gifts when he was alive.

The will states that Katherine will be well taken-care-of "for the rest of her life." She is not young. When she dies, her portion of the estate reverts back to the children. She receives a stipend, but will be unable to give any of the estate to her other children in a will. Not at all. It's not hers to give. Therefore, the Jacksons are trying to get as much income as they can from Michael's name, while Katherine is still living. When she is NOT alive anymore, they lose all access. I'd expect this puts enormous pressure on Michael's three children-- brainwashing? Strong suggestions? -- to CONTINUE to take care of the entire family, as an "obligation." They actually have NO such "obligation."

The Estate is charged with growing the money, and preserving it for Michael's CHILDREN. In that sense, Estate and children are on the same page. The more money the executors make for the estate, the more money THEY make, as individuals. They get a percentage of each transaction, and the money gained is HUGE! Also, the more money the children gather in. So, it is in the Estate's best interests to stamp out conflicting money-making schemes. Yet, they are constrained by not wanting to land too hard. . . on KATHERINE.

When Michael was a child, he was essentially "owned" by his parents, i.e. lost his childhood while all of them gained enormous wealth. For a long time, his father was also his "manager," and who knows what kind of salary he paid HIMSELF? As an adult, Michael broke with the "family business," and forged an amazing career. The family does not OWN him anymore, as a "money-making asset." The only family member who even comes close, is Janet. But, Janet is not the cultural icon that her brother was/is. It was Michael's incredible charisma that propelled the J-5 to super-stardom. Without Michael, it's doubtful the group would have been successful. And now, NONE of the siblings, except Janet have any sort of viable career, at all.

Which brings us to the present.
The money-train ENDS with Katherine. Any money she passes to the other siblings comes from her stipend. But there must be PRESSURE to get as much as possible, while the getting is good, i.e. OTHER money-making ventures. The fan pressure about the Tribute concert surely contributed to the forcefulness of the Estate's response. NOBODY seems to want this concert, except the Jackson siblings (most of them). The Estate seems to have been, so far, holding back somewhat in shutting down ALL of these schemes out of respect for Katherine. Their letter was FORCEFUL, and to the point. I think their patience with her, and the rest of the family, may be at an end. I HOPE SO!

The Estate is ultimately for Michael's CHILDREN! That is how it was set up. Anything the children give to the rest of the family, will be their choice, at their discretion. Michael INTENTIONALLY did not include any other family members in the will!

The Estate's letter was a GOOD thing, for the Executors, for the fans, and for the CHILDREN!

:clapping:

The bold is the case and I really hope the Gene Simmons fiasco FINALLY helps get through to Katherine that she knows nothing about how Michael as a corporation functions, and that she knows even less about the entertainment industryl. Her ventures have been an embarassment. From low scale in hawking guady belts to major attempts such as a tribute.
She needs to stick to selling flowers and stay out of HIS business. SHE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SHE'S DOING AND NEITHER DO THE PEOPLE SHE ALIGNS HERSELF WITH.
 
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I suspect the Group behind this tribute may be in a biggish mess right now; damned if they do and damned if they don't.

They must have outgoings / contracts / liabilities that will still need to be met if they don't go ahead, and even if they cancel, professionally I'd be surprised if their careers survive this....the worlds biggest names in entertainment aren't exactly going to come knocking on their door looking for any kind of concert-promoting expertise. I wouldn't want this on my CV.
Of course, they could always claw some cash back by writing a book! 'How not to organise a world class tribute concert' (in the The 'For Dummies' series perhaps).

If they decide to go ahead, they'll be biting their nails even after closing the registration period down, just waiting to see if anyone actually pays. And the criticism isn't going to go away, so the longer they remain in the public eye the more the press will pick up on the bad news stories. I'm sure the Estate is waiting for their next move with extreme interest.

Meanwhile, the Guinness Book of World records might consider the organisers in the following award categories:
  • Most ineptly organised concert
  • Most inappropriate signing for a tribute concert
  • Highest number of infuriated fans before a tribute concert
etc etc...I am sure there must be more possibilities.

I wonder if / when they will stop digging?

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Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Guys, please do not judge without being sure. The placement of Katherine was misinterpreted.
Katherine loves Michael foremost. And Michael really loves her. Please let's respect it Katherine.

Her intention is to honor him by 40-year career. The money will be converted to Foundation Fighting AIDS.
The trial of Dr Conrad Murray will pause on that day will be on a Saturday. A tribute to Michael will only show how much we love him and how his memory lives on in our hearts.
Owner Katherine had no knowledge of the statements made by the leader of this band in question.

Well now she has.
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Guys, please do not judge without being sure. The placement of Katherine was misinterpreted.
Katherine loves Michael foremost. And Michael really loves her. Please let's respect it Katherine.

Her intention is to honor him by 40-year career. The money will be converted to Foundation Fighting AIDS.
The trial of Dr Conrad Murray will pause on that day will be on a Saturday. A tribute to Michael will only show how much we love him and how his memory lives on in our hearts.

Owner Katherine had no knowledge of the statements made by the leader of this band in question.

No offense, but everytime you turn around, there is ANOTHER money making scam coming out of the Katherine Jackson camp. No more excuses are left at this point. Their credibility no longer exists and it's their own doing, in my opinion.

RESPECT IS NOT GIVEN, IT'S EARNED!
 
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I wonder whats next....they may as well ask Sneddon to make a speech at the tribute.:puke:

Good that MJJC and the estate are on it!
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Guys, please do not judge without being sure. The placement of Katherine was misinterpreted.
Katherine loves Michael foremost. And Michael really loves her. Please let's respect it Katherine.

Her intention is to honor him by 40-year career. The money will be converted to Foundation Fighting AIDS.
The trial of Dr Conrad Murray will pause on that day will be on a Saturday. A tribute to Michael will only show how much we love him and how his memory lives on in our hearts.
Owner Katherine had no knowledge of the statements made by the leader of this band in question.

I think that most here are in full agreement with the statement made by Gaz/MJJC, and the letter written by the attorney for the Estate. There was far more "wrong" with this concert than the inclusion of KISS (which was completely outrageous!) The mode of ticket sales was prejudicial to Michael's fans, many of whom don't have the money to purchase tickets at those prices! The contributions to CHARITIES (not just one), were very unclear, and thus, it was unclear if this actually was designed to be a "charity" event (a situation addressed by the Estate's letter). It seems that donations were ON TOP OF ticket prices?

The timing of the event is sketchy. It's not uncommon for high-profile trials to continue on Saturdays (such as the Casey Anthony trial). The concert promoters, and Katherine, really have no idea if that day is "clear," or not.

And finally, we do not know WHAT Katherine knew or did not know in terms of Simmons comments. At the very least, she could have vetted his inclusion in the concert with someone with knowledge of the entertainment business, before making the announcement.

I stand fully in support of the MJJC position, which is nearly identical to the Estate's position on this. Raising these questions based on the facts and details of the proposed "Tribute concert" is not disrespectful to Katherine, but more in the sense of the legality of the concert at all, and the outrageousness of including KISS in the line-up!

And personally, I now think the concert is too toxic to survive, and it really would be best for all for it to be CANCELED, and more carefully planned, for the FUTURE.
 
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[h=1]Michael Jackson Tribute Concert We're Killing KISS From the Roster[/h]

The promoters of the Michael Jackson Tribute Concert have heard fans loud and clear -- Gene Simmons, who has accused Michael of being a pedophile, and his band KISS, have been dropped from the roster.

There was a flurry of criticism after TMZ posted a story ... that Gene said last year, "There is no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt."

The promoters tell TMZ, "We have listened to Michael's fans and are grateful to have been alerted to these unfortunate statements by Gene Simmons. Under the circumstances we fully agree that even though KISS is a band Michael admired we have no choice but to rescind our invitation to them to appear in our tribute concert."

The Estate had fired off a letter to the promoters yesterday, expressing their displeasure over KISS performing at the concert.




http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/16/kiss-...ibute-concert-gene-simmons-pedophile-estate/#
http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/16/kiss-...t-gene-simmons-pedophile-estate/#.Tkqn5YKFvvI
 
MariAndMichael;3459716 said:
Guys, please do not judge without being sure. The placement of Katherine was misinterpreted.
Katherine loves Michael foremost. And Michael really loves her. Please let's respect it Katherine.

Her intention is to honor him by 40-year career. The money will be converted to Foundation Fighting AIDS.
The trial of Dr Conrad Murray will pause on that day will be on a Saturday. A tribute to Michael will only show how much we love him and how his memory lives on in our hearts.
Owner Katherine had no knowledge of the statements made by the leader of this band in question.

I have heard enough excuse for Katherine Jackson’s cold blooded, calculating, greed oriented behavior. She will not get another free pass from me. Her actions are unforgivable and she cannot be so stupid as to be totally oblivious to all the damage she is doing.
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

we can see the puppet and I think we know who the puppeteer is.
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Right....and how about the rest of the issues raised by the estate? They can drop KISS now but the damage has already been done. Most fans knew about the terrible things Gene Simmons said and they didnt know?!???
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Hmmm so they can talk to TMZ but not to us peasants..

Too little, too late. And since when did Michael admire kiss?????
 
Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Hmmm so they can talk to TMZ but not to us peasants..

Too little, too late. And since when did Michael admire kiss?????


Since GL decided it. Go back to the fields!
 
Mneme;3459709 said:
In the open letter Lawyer Weitzman has mentions Michael's father as a supporter (involved?).
I had already been surprised all the time that Joe Jackson hides just with such a lucrative plan.

If Joe becomes active in view of Michael is always either the „legendary concert promoter“ L. Rowe or / and „the long-standing confidant and manager of Michael“ D. Wiesner with in the play. Either openly or in the background.
Where Joe is, there is also Wiesner not far away.
Do You still remember that here in the other Thread was written „If they don't have the permission of the Estate, they also can make no Merchandising on the concert.“?

But yes! Of course they can make their merchandising!
Have You forgotten then the HIStory logo and UD-Group and the participation Joe's in the business which UD is doing with this logo? And the fact that Wiesner there is sitting right in the middle?
UD-Group seems for You to be far away, nearly on the moon. I can assure You, they are not "far away", because the brand right for this logo is valid worldwide.

I'll bet bet that this promoting of the merchandising with the HIStory logo is at least the second important concern which should be reached with this concert.

I agree that they are likely to be considering making additional profit from merchandising....t-shirts with the tribute logo were given away to journalists at the original press conference...although these only had the 'tribute' 'M' on them, and not the 'History' logo. But I do take your point, it would potentially be a good time for them to put merchandising plans into effect...reaching .not just the MJ market but the fans of the other performers too.

However, it may dent their enthusiasm a little to know that 2 of the tribute t shirts from the press conference were sold on USA ebay yesterday, one attracting 4 bids and the other 2 bids..and neither sold for very large sums (less than 10gbp each) despite their 'rarity'....so I suspect any merchandising plans may not turn out very successfully..... especiallly if items have already been manufactured and the concert is cancelled!
 
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  • Michael Forever Tribute


    KISS: Invitation Revoked
    We have listened to Michael’s fans and are grateful to have been alerted to some unfortunate statements made by Gene Simmons about Michael. Under the circumstances we fully agree that even though Kiss is a band Michael admired its members should not appear in our tribute concert. ...



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[h=2]KISS: Invitation Revoked[/h]
by Michael Forever Tribute on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 at 1:44pm

We have listened to Michael&#8217;s fans and are grateful to have been alerted to some unfortunate statements made by Gene Simmons about Michael. Under the circumstances we fully agree that even though Kiss is a band Michael admired its members should not appear in our tribute concert. We have therefore rescinded our invitation to them.

We offer our sincerest apologies to Mrs. Jackson and the family - our primary concern must be to do justice to Michael&#8217;s memory, and to put on a tribute that the family and the fans will find suitable and fit for a King, our King of Pop.
 
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Re: MJJC Official Statement about Michael Forever Tribute / Tribute discussion / Estate statement @p

Outrageous!
 
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[h=1]Michael Jackson Tribute Concert We're Killing KISS From the Roster[/h]

The promoters tell TMZ, "We have listened to Michael's fans and are grateful to have been alerted to these unfortunate statements by Gene Simmons. Under the circumstances we fully agree that even though KISS is a band Michael admired we have no choice but to rescind our invitation to them to appear in our tribute concert."

Their statement sick me again. So now they are saying they invite Kiss because Michael admired them???? Really?
How do they know that MJ admired them? Did I miss something? or they just made it up?
and now they are saying they are so considerate to drop them because fans are not happy? Gosh
It's too late......The only thing they can do now is cancel the fucking tribute.
I don't think dropping Kiss would reverse anything.
 
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Kiss is a band Michael admired?
 
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