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This is where you can let of some steam about anything relating to the trial.

I am finding that after taking in all the information of each day of the trial and having a cry, I then go to bed and with all the information still swirling in my head, the anger sets in, this results in a sleepless night and when I do sleep my head if full of vivid dreams and nightmares.

So, if like me you need to get a few things off your chest and vent, or you may see or read something that 'makes you wanna scream' this is the place.

Lets try to keep it to one thread.

Please make sure to follow the forums guidelines whilst expressing yourself, do not swear excessively, try and use the smiles or ****, and absolutely no death threats.
 
Hope you don't mind if I kick things off.

Remember OJ trial and Jay Leno with the dancing Judge Kato (spelling?), last night on the Jonathon Ross talk show in the UK he had a dancing Judge Pastor moonwalking into court, and prior to that made some awful jokes (awful in terms of both unfunny and disrespectful).

Yes I will be complaining but I think it will fall on deaf ears... so please, fans in the UK turn off JR. How dare they turn this trial into a :censored: circus.
 
Well, let me just add this 'swirling' in my mind... I don't own an I phone but...
ARE You able to 'dial' 911 with this high tech thingy?
Or is it just to 'record' audio and 'chat' to girlfriends?

OH, I can't just figure out a HOME without a LANDLINE... Did I read that wrong? or am I a 'fossile' that still has a 'landline' in her 'rented' home? :scratch:

One last RANT... If NO landline and so NO phone?
HOW could Michael phone for HELP?
ONLY through his 'cell phone' ??? :doh:

AHHHH... That felt good... Thanks for 'reading' ...
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I got so bleeping wound up when the defence were cross examining the paramedics and the ER doctors, questioning their professionalism, how :censored: dare they. I know the defence lawyer have a job to do- but hopefully taking that manner with those people will look good in front of the jury.

Oh and BTW @ Daryl with an iphone you don't even need to diall 911 there is an emergency button.

I hope murray learns a new trade from prison... he's gonna need it :mat:
 
Murray had no concept of time??? Because he has no watch?? He had a freaking phone which he used to make 15 calls or so from!!!! No concept??!??!!!? :mat:

@LastTear I've woken up middle of the night and having the trial replay its self in my mind. I've had one scary dream last night too. :(
 
Pictures from June 25 show Murray with a watch on his right wrist. Just take a look at the pic when they bring Michael into the ER..
 
Omg these girlfriends are really winding me up, why do they look so damn happy to be there
 
Me again! Nicole alveraz .... Let's make it ALL about me... Could she try and look a little sad that Michael is dead.
 
LastTear said:
I got so bleeping wound up when the defence were cross examining the paramedics and the ER doctors, questioning their professionalism, how :censored: dare they. I know the defence lawyer have a job to do- but hopefully taking that manner with those people will look good in front of the jury.

Oh and BTW @ Daryl with an iphone you don't even need to diall 911 there is an emergency button.

I hope murray learns a new trade from prison... he's gonna need it :mat:
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ARGH... even more :mat: An "Emergency" button... Just ONE and he couldn't push it right???
This man makes me :puke:
 
There will never be justice for Michael.
After all he went through it had been justice if he had done the concerts which would be considered the best concerts ever, his new album should be number one and he would get his hospital for children.He should be here and take care of his children and find a place where he wanted to live, where he could have many animals

Murray can get 4 years in prison and then he`s free again.
Michael is gone forever
 
Hmmm there just didn't seem to be any sadness that Michael had died, so excited to meet him, but nothing else.... Take your equipment and trot back to being an unemployed actress.

*Edit, my bad, instrument.... Although I think equipment is more accurate! LOL
 
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Me again! Nicole alveraz .... Let's make it ALL about me... Could she try and look a little sad that Michael is dead.
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OMG!! I had to close my eyes at one point! I couldn't watch, it was THAT embarrassing!!
 
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How:censored: stupid am I to think there might be some headlines today that there was no demerol found in Michael's system - what do we have instead? the fact there was a doll on the bed and those baby pictures.
Arrrrggggggg!!!!!!!!!

murray >>>>>>:tonofbricks
 
Michael Jackson should have gone to a sleep clinic to evaluate the insomnia he suffered but instead he put on a condom catheter and got his Propofol in his home while his minor children were in the same home.

What was he thinking doing this to his children?

A little part of me is blaming him for being a not responsible parent at this point.
 
ronia said:
Michael Jackson should have gone to a sleep clinic to evaluate the insomnia he suffered but instead he put on a condom catheter and got his Propofol in his home while his minor children were in the same home.

What was he thinking doing this to his children?

A little part of me is blaming him for being a not responsible parent at this point.
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I know what the title of this thread means but........you shouldn't :nooo:

No one should judge me, not unless they've been in my shoes every horrible day and every sleepless night.'
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ronia said:
Michael Jackson should have gone to a sleep clinic to evaluate the insomnia he suffered but instead he put on a condom catheter and got his Propofol in his home while his minor children were in the same home.

What was he thinking doing this to his children?

A little part of me is blaming him for being a not responsible parent at this point.
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Let's not blame Michael for what happened to him. It's not his fault and for his kids, he wouldn't have let them see what was happening.

Can you imagine if MJ did go to a sleep clinic, what would happen? Once again the media would love it and maybe it wasn't that simple/easy for him to go?
 
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MJfan10 said:
Let's not blame Michael for what happened to him. It's not his fault and for his kids, he wouldn't have let them see what was happening.

Can you imagine if MJ did go to a sleep clinic, what would happen? Once again the media would love it and maybe it wasn't that simple/easy for him to go?
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Obviously he did not let see his children what he did the nights, but it is right?? As a parent?? I am not in his shoes but I am a parent and a social worker in children welfare services and I have heard many excuses from parents for not taking properly care for their children.

Of course they were not VIP parents but parents.

If he went to a sleep clininc to treat his insomnia he would be here today and not on Forrest Lawn. Bad Media? Even Britney survived bad nedia. Even if he had lost much money because the concerts had to be postponed, he would have gotten proper care and help imho.

But this is "let off some steam" and nothing else.
 
@ronia, I understand what you are saying, but for all we know Michael may have attended a sleep clinic in the past. There are a few things that I would like to discuss but I think they are best left until after the trial, mostly because our emotions are all over the place at the moment. But I do have to say that Britney's bad media pales compared to what MJ endured.
 
ronia said:
Obviously he did not let see his children what he did the nights, but it is right?? As a parent?? I am not in his shoes but I am a parent and a social worker in children welfare services and I have heard many excuses from parents for not taking properly care for their children.

Of course they were not VIP parents but parents.

If he went to a sleep clininc to treat his insomnia he would be here today and not on Forrest Lawn. Bad Media? Even Britney survived bad nedia. Even if he had lost much money because the concerts had to be postponed, he would have gotten proper care and help imho.

But this is "let off some steam" and nothing else.
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I understand what you are saying and parent should take into account the welfare of their children I get that. But what I'm saying is that we shouldn't jugde Michael. We don't know anything about the insomnia if he did get help or not.
 
I think Michael was just so desperate to sleep he'd have tried anything, bless him. Can't help but damn Murray to hell - no phone to ring for help - WHAT ABOUT THE HOURS YOU SPENT ON YOUR CELL???? Now with luck he will be IN his CELL.
 
Well, Ronia keep it in this thread hey...
:smilerolleyes: Indeed NO ONE should judge what Michael should have done... But then again, its ALWAYS the patient to blame hey... NEVER the doc they TRUSTED...

My rant... I want Michael Friday BACK :boohooThis whole bloody trial kicked me back into hospital and I :mat: every second of it...
 
Getting MAD is part of the process. People here have been going through 2 years of incredible pain- and often accompanied by ridicule. Absolutely every therapist will TELL you that you have a right to ask the question that Ronia asked. That is not even 'judging' Michael, you're just trying to make ****** SENSE of the pain. The pain that Michael went through and your own resulting from his pain and his premature death. Ronia's feelings are NORMAL. And they don't mean that the person asking these questions is unfairly judging Michael. You're just trying to make sense of a horrific mess. This is not the media playing soundbites and media victim blaming- most of us are very conscious of that. Asking the parent Michael what the heck was going on is not "blaming". You can ask these questions AND respect Michael. That's pain talking.

I do not judge Michael. AT ALL. But I understand how these questions are being asked, especially by those of us who are parents. Because Michael makes us think about OUR abilities as parents. Any parent who is grieving Michael does a phenomenal thing- they are examining their own abilities as parents- which is exactly what Michael was after. Michael's death might force you to examine parenthood as a conscious parent- what an amazing service Michael has done to us parents by making us ask these questions! Michael WANTED people to examine parenthood and the way we treat our children- I don't think he would exclude himself at all. Even in these painful recordings he is pushing, pushing, pushing for a world in which parents WAKE UP and parent DIFFERENTLY. These questions are what Michael wanted, conscious loving parenting.

And that is exactly what Michael's death does for me as a parent. Parenthood is VERY very different from living for yourself. It's good that parents ask questions. That is in Michael's spirit. Very much so.
 
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