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Murray Trial Day 20. October 28th

thats hilarious moyosotis :)

After defense the trial was over to monday Ashangta cross on monday from witness dr white
 
maral said:
him being certified actually make things worse since he did Everything wrong
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Exactly. I don't understand why the defense brought it up - it makes murray look even worse (it that is at all possible lol)
 
Ingelief said:
After defense the trial was over to monday Ashangta cross on monday from witness dr white
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Thanks! ;) Oh God, it looks like it never ends. :( May God give us strength.
 
Milka said:
He said he "considered" to empty the jug when he went to the bathroom. Whatever that means. If it means he did take it with him and emptied it, he obviously lied, for whatever reason.
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Yes, you're correct. I went back and found that quote...why would you just consider to empty something like that and not do it? Bizarre statement...
 
It would appear that Dr White told his story using parts of Murray's story not all of it.
 
abigaillovesmj said:
Exactly. I don't understand why the defense brought it up - it makes murray look even worse (it that is at all possible lol)
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well the defense is just throwing stuff out there hoping it'll confuse the jury. i never got the lorazepam theory ether. if he took them in the morning were was murray. with all the meds murray gave him i doubt he would be able to get up, sneak around and take the pills and murray not notice. and their own witness said MJ told her he'd be ok AS LONG AS HE'S MONITORED. now would he inject himself without making sure he was monitored?
 
"Prosecutor David Walgren told the judge he will probably take all day on Monday cross examining Dr. Paul White"
 
cinzia said:
Yes, you're correct. I went back and found that quote...why would you just consider to empty something like that and not do it? Bizarre statement...
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Yeah, it is. Sounds a bit like a few parts weren't scripted and he made them up as he went along. Or maybe he worded it that way because he just didn't remember anymore, with everything else he "had" to do, all the cover up, if he emptied the jug at some point or not.
 
self injection my ass,,,Michael's prints were NOT found on ANYTHING on the scene...Murray's was. They need to stop the bs ...I really hope the wagren clears this upon Monday,,,and that the jurors see how preposterous this defenses theory really is. I cannot believe that White was willing to get up on that stand and lie for Conrad Murray....it is obvious that his credibility isn't worth jack....it doesn't really matter how many books he has written...or how many awards he has won. By him getting on that stand and lieing and supporting a murderer....I sure am glad that I or anyone that I know will never be a patient of his.
 
Elusive, Bouee and all the others thanks a lot, I was only able to watch 20 to 30 mins of trial today do to us having guests. So you're updates are really appreciated. I just read that Walgren would take all day cross examining White on Monday, as I don't have any classes next week and the guests leaving I will be able to help out with whatever summaries/updates that for next week.
 
Walgren knows this case tall, as we Bajans would say. I have no worries that he will dissect every bit of testimony from White and smear him with it on Monday.
 
Louise. said:
"Prosecutor David Walgren told the judge he will probably take all day on Monday cross examining Dr. Paul White"
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Good! I hope Mr. Walgren can just tear him apart and strike all his claims. All these theory really pissed me off big time. We all know what Murray did and they just kept changing focus.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Walgren knows this case tall, as we Bajans would say. I have no worries that he will dissect every bit of testimony from White and smear him with it on Monday.
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Let's hope so. Though I haven't watched it yet (today's testimony as a whole) I'm worried from the updates.
 
I just don't believe that Michael self injected himself with anything. I just don't. I knew the defense would do this but it's still hard to see. I just hope Walgren can take care of this come Monday.
 
Naturelle said:
guys we all need to have faith, think good thoughts, positive for MJ's sake. :)
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Thank You. I have said this before. Let's stop the continuous voice of doom and be positive to help Shafer, Walgren and Michael. I know we can be worried or anxious, but stay away from the constant doomsday posts that I have been seeing, and I say this with L.O.V.E.
 
Louise. said:
"Just to clarify: Chernoff told judge that Walgren received the cert document 6 weeks ago and Walgren didn't have an issue w/ it until now."

"Walgren was having an issue with the certification document. He claimed the process by which it was delivered 2 him violated the court rules"

"Judge admonished attorneys that he expects attorneys to be in communication over the weekend and cannot have continuing issues w/ discovery."
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I thought that seemed odd for the defense to enter new evidence at this stage of the trail.
 
How did MJ do these injections without fingerprints on anything?
 
He says Michael self injected but did he say how he did it? Michael would have to be super human to inject that much propofol into his body without passing out or dying before he got that much into his blood. And if did self inject and woke up and did it again why didn't the levels in his blood drop? For his story to be true he would have to say not only did Murray lie about how long he was out of the room but also about what he did when he got back. Maybe I am slow but...
 
I haven't really post today since I was ill and miss the testimony. So, a big thank you to all the updates.

From what I've read, White attempted to disprove certain things, but he didn't really explain how things happen. I will agree that Shaffer's Lopz graph was strange and had issues. I know he didn't have the dosing and only the concentration, but even I had a hard time imaging Murray injecting Lopz all through the night and then setting up the infusion around 9 or 10am. Mostly because Michael was usually up by those times, unless Murray was actually telling the truth for once that Michael wanted to sleep until 12pm that day. At the same time, however, Shaffer clearly said he was only given different possibilities to how Michael had all the Lopz, since it was far more than Murray admitted to. White said Michael could had eating pills earlier that night, but he doesn't explain when and how he did it when Murray was in the room, going by his word. Also, how didn't Michael showed no affect what so ever to eating all that Lopz? No one's tolerates is that ungodly high to the point they would be fine.

As for the propofal, White put the self-injecting theory, but he doesn't explain how Michael did. Is he's saying that he was able to wake up, with Lopz in his system, fill the propofol up, and then bend over to his knee and successfully self-inject an entire tube without dropping it or passing out on the floor? I also don't see how White can say that the bottle could fall out of the saline bag if Michael turn over. Since Michael was asleep, practically in a coma, how could he turn over unless Murray does it. I also don't see how the length of the propofal IV matters since it was connect to a much longer tubing.

White didn't put these pieces together like Shaffer and nothing is explain. I know the defense doesn't really have to explain certain things, but I think they kind of have to in this case since they have been dropping and picking up theories since this entire thing happen.
 
My big problem with White is that he does not connect up the pieces of his testimony to other facts in the case. As examples as pointed out before, if Michael self injected where are the finger prints. If he self injected, how did he do this in 2 mins when Shafer showed how long it takes to draw out the prof. If he got up more than once and overdosed where was Muarry or did he get up more than once in a 2 min period. To me the prosecution would have much to use during cross-examination and they also have to ask him the questions about standard of care, which he interestingly did not want to touch. So, I am not worried about White's testimony today.
 
I missed the testimony today, thanks to everyone for the updates.

I'll wait till Monday. I was worried when the drug addiction doctor started testifying, but you know when Walgreen got up there he ripped him a second one. Walgreen has 2 days to prepare himself, and I don't think his cross examination will disappoint as always. Have faith in him.

Is he allowed to get Dr. Steven Shafer to restify or will he end with a cross-examination of White only?
 
If they feel it is necessary, the prosecution can have Dr. Shafer testify again during their Retbuttal.
I'm not worried about Dr. White. His testimony is made up crap.
Walgrens will take care of him when he cross-examines him.
 
Is this how it goes...Cross examination then rebuttal then closing arguments? Who gets the last word in closing part? I don't get it either when there are no fingerprints of Michael to prove he did that. Remember the recording of Michael Murray did? Why hasn't that been explained by the defense? I saw this mentioned on tv and I realized it's not been brought up by the defense. Unless I missed something.
Could Michael have sounded like June 25 too?
 
I too hope Prosection gets to have the last word, but what is likely to happen?
 
Ramona122003 said:
I haven't really post today since I was ill and miss the testimony. So, a big thank you to all the updates.

From what I've read, White attempted to disprove certain things, but he didn't really explain how things happen. I will agree that Shaffer's Lopz graph was strange and had issues. I know he didn't have the dosing and only the concentration, but even I had a hard time imaging Murray injecting Lopz all through the night and then setting up the infusion around 9 or 10am. Mostly because Michael was usually up by those times, unless Murray was actually telling the truth for once that Michael wanted to sleep until 12pm that day. At the same time, however, Shaffer clearly said he was only given different possibilities to how Michael had all the Lopz, since it was far more than Murray admitted to. White said Michael could had eating pills earlier that night, but he doesn't explain when and how he did it when Murray was in the room, going by his word. Also, how didn't Michael showed no affect what so ever to eating all that Lopz? No one's tolerates is that ungodly high to the point they would be fine.

As for the propofal, White put the self-injecting theory, but he doesn't explain how Michael did. Is he's saying that he was able to wake up, with Lopz in his system, fill the propofol up, and then bend over to his knee and successfully self-inject an entire tube without dropping it or passing out on the floor? I also don't see how White can say that the bottle could fall out of the saline bag if Michael turn over. Since Michael was asleep, practically in a coma, how could he turn over unless Murray does it. I also don't see how the length of the propofal IV matters since it was connect to a much longer tubing.

White didn't put these pieces together like Shaffer and nothing is explain. I know the defense doesn't really have to explain certain things, but I think they kind of have to in this case since they have been dropping and picking up theories since this entire thing happen.
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And we have heard other doctors say that Michael could not inject that much Propofol without passing out. He would injected passed out woke up injected passed out.
 
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