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Murray trial Day 23, November 3rd - discussion

Ramona122003 said:
I know I may get heat for this, but I also think Nurse Lee deserves a thank you too. After some fans call her a lying and other names, she still took the stand and stood by her story even though she didn't want to even breath the same air as Murray. She also nailed Murray on several points and her medical records were the best of all of Michael's doctors. It showed she didn't just make stuff up, she wrote it down.

But, this is just my opinion.
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I like it Romana. She deserves a token as well. I think we should come up with a list and do the right thing. People love to be recognized when they do their job the best way they can.

What would be our budget for something like this?

I sent Michael some flowers for tomorrow. i want him to be surrounded by flowers while the jury are deliberating. He will have prayers, positive thoughts, and flowers on that day!!!
 
Aww... and lol at the fans crushin on Walgren. There was even a face book page made for him calling him hot. He is also gettin cheers from the fans during the breaks as he passes the hallway. That must feel nice.

Poor Chernoff....NOT! :beee:
 
Petrarose said:
I like it Romana. She deserves a token as well. I think we should come up with a list and do the right thing. People love to be recognized when they do their job the best way they can.

What would be our budget for something like this?

I sent Michael some flowers for tomorrow. i want him to be surrounded by flowers while the jury are deliberating. He will have prayers, positive thoughts, and flowers on that day!!!
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I hope more than anything that Alvarez gets good steady work after this trial. After everything he had done and has been through, he deserves to finally catch a break. It just seems like an extra round of injustice in the death of Michael if his loyalty doesn't amount to crap and he should had sold stories to survive.

I was actually one of the people who was critical of Alvarez, but like many things from this trial, I had a big charge of heart.
 
Petrarose said:
what was the expertise of the bald-headed lawyer next to Muarry?
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I don't know but... Few years ago Flanagan needed a study for one case (the trial) and bald-headed lawyer, actually he wasn't bald then, was a "volunteer" patient for a study about some vitamins which was conducted by one of Flanagan's so-called experts and during that study this bald-headed lawyer lost his hair permanently. Flanagan now feels an obligation to him, so he takes him as a partner on some cases. :D
 
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I am one of the fans who think mr walgren is cute :blush:.....even my mum thinks he 's cute too! LOL
 
Kiku HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I Love It!!!!!!! I am cracking up here while I type. Thank you so much for that. You have explained the cause and effect very nicely indeed!!!! Can we expect a similar situation with Chernoff since he is part of this case.

Actually I think both Walgren and Shaffer are cute. I was giving Shaffer some coy looks but he could not see me through the TV screen.
 
Actually I think both Walgren and Shaffer are cute. I was giving Shaffer some coy looks but he could not see me through the TV screen.
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Oh My....:upside_down: tee heet

I thought Shaffer was adorkable. :yes: And Walgren is def handsome.
 
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Blue Shafer is adorable. He has that innocent shy look that I find priceless in men. Put that together with him being a brain!!!
 
ivy said:
technically speaking they didn't need a theory they only needed doubt.
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And, IMHO, they did NOT get it. Doubt is not over the veracity of every nit-picking lil thing, but did or did not Murray behave with significant negligence. I think this was proven. . .

ivy said:
It might be difference of perception but I think he wasn't weak. He's a layman that didn't know any better. But in my opinion he looked sincere and believable.
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I thought so, too. Alvarez has limitations to his job-description, as "security." That is his mind-set. I think he did fine. I think the defense was trying to poke holes in what witnesses "remembered," but in the end, that is not the question.

ivy said:
Shafer was a blessing. With his dedication and research he looks a lot more credible.
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Agree, he WAS a blessing. And. ..for free. . .

ivy said:
some say it was a mistake in powerpoint but man it was good
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If it was a "mistake" in powerpoint? ha ha HA! Then it was divine intervention, but wow! that was good! What is done is done, anyway?

ivy said:
I don't know how long he has been a prosecutor but he's in major crimes unit. you don't get a seat in that unit without being good.
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He was MORE than good. This was a career-maker for him, and he deserves it. Prosecutors are paid far less than most defense attorneys. Paid by the state, not by clients. I wish him all the best in his future career. Sky's the limit, in my book.
 
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MJnVA said:
Please pray for the jury so that God
will provide them with strength, guidance and wisdom
for the correct verdict based on the evidence provided.
:angel:Amen. Amen. Amen.
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Question, if Murray is found guilty tomorrow, will he be immediately taken in to custody?

I also want to extend my thanks to Mr. Walgren and the team for doing such an excellent job with the information they had.

Tommorrow will be a nervous day for me at work. One thing I'm sure of though is that I won't be able to hold back the tears when all is said and done, so hopefully I'm at home by the time the verdict is in.
 
ExoticPrincess said:
Question, if Murray is found guilty tomorrow, will he be immediately taken in to custody?

I also want to extend my thanks to Mr. Walgren and the team for doing such an excellent job with the information they had.

Tommorrow will be a nervous day for me at work. One thing I'm sure of though is that I won't be able to hold back the tears when all is said and done, so hopefully I'm at home by the time the verdict is in.
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YES, he would be immediately taken into custody, hopefully with the handcuffs that the INNOCENT Michael had to endure.

I cannot possibly extend enough thanks to Walgren! He did his JOB, and he really cared. The man is a hero, in my book. Michael FINALLY had an "advocate." Finally. . he did.
 
I am of the opinion that if this jury acquits Murray it was because they wanted too. There is no way that if you follow the instructions they got yesterday and follow the law you have no chose but to say guilty. If some crazy reason he is acquitted I don't think there is anything Walgren or anyone could do about it they did it because they wanted too
 
I like the fact we all LOVE walgren so much! he is cute! i want to marry him, lol

Its true that even res. doubt is good enough for the defense, but blaming all others will not get you there IMO. i thought they were stronger before *defense* then there was the closing arguments of the defense but it was weak. More weak then i ever expected. MAnyly because of the attack on shafer also. The jury also seemed to like shafer and not white. and to use that in your defense and say white is good shafer is bad is just wrong. I think he mad a mistake there.

Also the blaming on all others was a bit hilarious. I think he lost points there too.

Walgren was aggresive soft and good when he needed to be. He adressed all points we wanted him to adress.! THANK GOD!

IMO it can be quick because its a clear case of negligent. he failed in 17! parts so even with some parts not believed by the jury doesnt matter there plenty left! LOL
 
OK, waiting is definitely hard. I thought the prosecution were awesome, but of course I'm biased. the defense were shit, I don't care what any1 says.
 
When is the verdict going to be? 9am california time?

Goddamn I am going to be angry like I've never been angry before if he gets away with killing Michael.

The prosecution were awesome. Love Walgren. Love Dr. Steinberg!
 
djbaby said:
OK, waiting is definitely hard. I thought the prosecution were awesome, but of course I'm biased. the defense were shit, I don't care what any1 says.
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In my opinion, even if one wasn't bias the 'poor me' card that the defense played at the end wouldn't play well to anyone. In a case when someone dies, especially a beloved figure who has young kids, the defense has to defend their client without demonizing or degrading the victim and the family. You have to point out their faults, but also showed that it wasn't entirely their own fault and the situation was just messed up. It is a tough line to balance and I think a skill defense lawyer like T-Mez could had done it.

The main problem with the defense from the beginning is that they showed no kind of pity, sympathy, or understanding towards Michael, his family, his friends, or his children. It was about Murray and his feelings and the DA rightfully slammed them for it.
 
Ramona122003 said:
In my opinion, even if one wasn't bias the 'poor me' card that the defense played at the end wouldn't play well to anyone. In a case when someone dies, especially a beloved figure who has young kids, the defense has to defend their client without demonizing or degrading the victim and the family. You have to point out their faults, but also showed that it wasn't entirely their own fault and the situation was just messed up. It is a tough line to balance and I think a skill defense lawyer like T-Mez could had done it.

The main problem with the defense from the beginning is that they showed no kind of pity, sympathy, or understanding towards Michael, his family, his friends, or his children. It was about Murray and his feelings and the DA rightfully slammed them for it.
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good post... never saw it that way. but u may be right here :)

also being the defense there wasnt much to work with so they had it though from the beginning with a client and case like murrays vs people.
 
Once again. Once the jury reached verdict they will let the court know. The court will then announce that a verdict will be read in 2 hours time. So we will have a 2 hour warning. There will be no verdict for at least the first two hours its safe to say.
 
Good lord. Dont know how am going to survive at work. I wish l could call in sick. So what time will this be in European time?
 
The day starts at around 4pm in the UK. So there will definitely not be anything until at least 6pm if the judge implements that 2 hour warning thing. I finish work at 4:30pm so I'm hopeful I can keep an eye out for anything without missing out.
 
Petrarose said:
Guys how long has Walgren been a prosecutor and what was the expertise of the bald-headed lawyer next to Muarry?
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Baldy worked for geragos. remember the hearing where he said he wanted to work for murray but geragos said it would be a conflict of intrest as he was around when geragos was working for mjre the family. all im gonna say is that walgren clearly seems to care more about mj and getting justice for him than his own family does. thats sums it up. even more so when we dont know what walgren thinks of mj on a personal level
 
Thank you so muche for all your updates:flowers:. So I could follow the trial in my holidays in Paris:D :pthe last days.:group:

btw I am in love with Mr. Walgren too.:blush::p
 
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