Now, we`ve all seen the one face of Dr. Conrad Murray, but next, we see the other face. An animated, angry doctor who reveals the shocking details of who he blames the day Michael Jackson died.
And later, the lady and the Bieber. The latest on the leave it to.
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POLITAN (voice-over): Conrad Murray just convicted of killing Michael Jackson. Tonight, fresh reports of a documentary, parts of it airing this week. Recriminations, finger pointing, and Murray in his own words. Is Murray trying to profit from this whole situation? Can he even do that legally?
And later, MJ penned the lyrics the kid is not my son. But tonight, another pop star is borrowing that phrase. Justin Bieber`s legal team is talking tough, batting the way accusations he fathered a three-month-old baby. We`re bringing in a body language expert to analyze the alleged mother`s on-camera allegations.
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POLITAN (on-camera): I`m Vinnie Politan sitting in for Dr. Drew tonight. Dr. Conrad Murray is in a new MSNBC documentary, and it is as riveting as its revealing. Dr. Murray now a convicted killer. Never took the stand in his own defense.
In the documentary, we hear for the first time with passion, and even some anger what Murray thinks happened the day Michael Jackson died. Watch this clip that was played on NBC`s "Today" show.
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CONRAD MURRAY, CONVICTED FELON: I need help. I am doing CPR. Mr. Jackson is not breathing. Come in here. Get me help. Call 911. I need you to call 911. In addition to me doing CPR, chest compressions, I`m trying to resuscitate this patient, I`m controlling him on the 911 call. How old is this patient? Fifty. Get (EXPLETIVE DELETED) over here. Get here! I need you to come. Come on!
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POLITAN: Joining me to discuss these tapes are criminal defense attorney, Lisa Bloom. She`s also the author of "Think," and criminal defense attorney, Lauren Lake back with us. Lisa Bloom, Conrad Murray is famous for one thing and one thing only, killing Michael Jackson.
That`s what he did, that`s why we know him, that`s why we`re talking about him, and that`s why someone is following him around with a camera for two years, putting together a documentary that I think, really, is more of a reality show. I mean, this is in such bad taste, but apparently, not legal in your home state of California, Lisa.
LISA BLOOM, AUTHOR, "THINK": I believe that it is legal, Vinnie.
POLITAN: That`s what I mean. It`s not illegal.
BLOOM: I thought you said not legal.
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BLOOM: Sorry. I`m far from you. I`m out here in the Midwest in St. Louis. So, forgive me. So listen, Vinnie, he has a first amendment right to speak, and he has a right to answer questions and even has the right to take money as part of that documentary. If he did, I don`t know if he did, but you`re absolutely right, it`s in terrible taste.
It`s in very poor taste, and now, it`s airing the week after he became a convicted felon. I mean, I think it`s just in poor taste all around, but there is one ray of hope, Vinnie, and that is if he takes this case up on appeal, and it`s reversed, then he has a new trial, well, the prosecution now has a mountain of new evidence they can use against them.
POLITAN: Absolutely. I don`t think they`re going to necessarily need that appeal, but you never know, Lisa Bloom. Lauren Lake, I think this is so wrong on so many different levels. The first being this guy is famous for one thing and one thing only, Lauren Lake, it`s because he killed Michael Jackson. So, you kill Michael Jackson, then you strike a deal to do a documentary? Come on!
LAUREN LAKE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, he was not adjudicated the killer of Michael Jackson at the time he started his documentary series.
POLITAN: Yes, but he had killed him. He had killed him already.
LAKE: Well, the --
POLITAN: Wait, wait, wait.
LAKE: The negligence had occurred and Michael Jackson had passed away, but let me just say this. Let me just say this.
POLITAN: One quick timeout. One quick timeout.
LAKE: Yes, we`re on timeout.
POLITAN: Can we agree that Conrad Murray killed Michael Jackson?
LAKE: I will say that his negligence most certainly contributed to the death of Michael Jackson, and he has been found guilty.
POLITAN: Are you watching HLN yesterday?
LAKE: And I respect the jury`s decision. I`m just not at the point where I`m going to villainize this man to the point where if he has a story that he wants to tell, let him tell it. And if we`re going to point the finger at him for telling it, let`s point the finger at each and every American TV producer and cable network that`s going to watch it, produce it, and air it.
We have become a country of voyeurism. We want to see it. We want to hear it. Now, he didn`t speak up in a court of law because he had the right to remain silent. And he did just that and did not testify against, you know, himself in the court of law. He had that right, and he did not get on the stand, but people still want to know maybe what he`s thinking.
Whether it`s lies or the truth, let America decide. And at the end of the day, he has children, and they are innocent. They didn`t kill anybody, and they weren`t negligent. They`re human beings.
If he does make a dime that doesn`t go to his lawyers or back to the Jackson Family, and it can provide for those innocent children, well, good for them, because their father was probably their livelihood, and their provider, and he will no longer have a medical license.
POLITAN: Yes. I have no problem with him speaking. It`s getting paid. And someone paying this man who`s famous for killing someone else, and the only reason he`s famous. Let`s do this. Let`s take another look at a clip from the show. Again, this is from the "Today" show. Take a look.
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MURRAY: He really could not sleep. Have you ever seen the Thriller image when he was made up? He looked that hysterical.
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POLITAN: Lisa bloom, I`m all for people talking, but this is -- to me, this is the production of a reality show, a reality show based on one man`s fame for killing the world`s most famous man.
BLOOM: Well, first of all, you know, I love you Vinnie, but I`m going to take Lauren Lake`s side against you. I mean, that`s just how it is because Lauren`s my girl. And I don`t know if I would necessarily call him -- POLITAN: And I read your book, too.
BLOOM: -- a killer either. I don`t necessarily call him a killer either. What he was convicted of was involuntary manslaughter.
POLITAN: Right.
BLOOM: Gross negligence. And his actions led to the death of Michael Jackson. It may seem like a fine line, but he`s not convicted of murder.
POLITAN: I didn`t say murder. I said kill.
BLOOM: I know. I know. You can say that he`s a killer.
POLITAN: He killed him.
BLOOM: It`s the propofol that killed Jackson. Jackson wanted the propofol. He begged a lot of people for it. Now, Murray shouldn`t have given it to him, absolutely. And I think he was rightly convicted, but, look, Lauren makes a very good point. How are you going to argue with her about supporting his family and supporting his children?
He did something that was legal. And what about everybody else that`s profiting off of this, right? What about them? They`re profiting off it as well. We don`t even know he was paid for it. There`s a lot of facts we don`t know about here.
POLITAN: Right. Maybe he didn`t get paid for it. Maybe he just said OK, follow me around for two years behind the scenes with my defense team, and I`ll tell you my whole story for nothing.
BLOOM: Well, he may have wanted to speak, because he couldn`t speak in the courtroom. He may have wanted to speak. I mean, we just don`t know. I don`t think we should pile on the man until we have the facts.
POLITAN: Wait, wait. He could come on here for free. He can speak to me, Dr. Drew, for free. I`ll give him two hours with me for free.
BLOOM: Yes. And you know what, and the ratings would shoot up, and the advertisers would pay more, and the network would make money. I mean, that`s just the way these things work.
POLITAN: You know what, he`d have to answer some questions, because he`d be cross-examined by a former prosecutor which is what he`s scared of.
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BLOOM: Yes. Well, you know what, that`s probably right. That`s why he wouldn`t do it. I mean, people want these cushy forums but only going to get easy questions.
POLITAN: All right. Let me see if I can get this out of you, Lisa Bloom and Laura Lake. Was this or was this not a homicide?
BLOOM: Yes.
POLITAN: Lisa Bloom.
BLOOM: I say yes.
POLITAN: Oh, Lauren Lake won`t say yes. It was just a homicide.
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LAKE: Vinnie --
BLOOM: Come on, Lauren!
LAKE: Vinnie, you`re just trying to get me on the ropes. The man has been convicted. He has been carried off in handcuffs. What do you want from him? The one charge he was charged with, he`s been found guilty, and he`s in jail. I just don`t understand.
BLOOM: And he was denied bail.
POLITAN: This is what I don`t want.
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POLITAN: I don`t want people killing other people and then pitching it, and say hey, you want to do a documentary on me? Hey, you want to strike a deal? Follow me around.
BLOOM: Vinnie, the problem with what you`re saying is the show was made before he was convicted.
LAKE: Exactly.
BLOOM: So, there`s a little gap in your timeline.
POLITAN: Doesn`t matter. He knew what he did which is kill Michael Jackson. We heard his interview with police, right? Did you hear it? You heard it, right? That was the foundation of the prosecution`s case was Dr. Conrad Murray`s own words.
BLOOM: I heard it. That`s right. And the jury has heard it.
LAKE: But Vinnie --
BLOOM: So, he has the right to speak. I mean, does the first amendment mean something, Vinnie?
POLITAN: The first amendment is the right to speak, not the right to make money off of someone else`s death that you caused. Homicide for profit?
BLOOM: That`s a fact not in evidence, Vinnie. We don`t know if he made money.
POLITAN: OK.
LAKE: Exactly. Yes.
POLITAN: Here we go.
LAKE: Yes.
POLITAN: if he did not make one dime from this --
BLOOM: Lauren, back me up.
LAKE: What about his children? Vinnie, what about his children? What about his children?
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POLITAN: This is why he should be thinking about his children. When he`s on the phone while his patient is dying talking to the cocktail waitress while his girlfriend is at home with his baby. That`s --
LAKE: Vinnie, there are way too many adulterers out here that still take care of their kids. Now, we`re not going to get up on that soap box.
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LAKE: Because there`s a whole bunch of men and women that cheat on their spouses and have girlfriends and boyfriends and take care of their kids.
POLITAN: He was cheating on his spouse. He was talking with his girlfriend when he was supposed to be at work making $150,000 a month to take care of the kids.
LAKE: And you`re going to say that the child should not have a pair of shoes or a book for school because that happened? You`re not saying that.
POLITAN: No. His child should have a responsible father.
LAKE: You`re not saying that.
POLITAN: He should have responsible father. He`s concerned more about doing his job than talking to the cocktail waitress.
LAKE: Those kids are innocent, and they rely on their father. Those kids are innocent, and --
BLOOM: Well, you know, the problem is a sense of proportionality here, right? He`s not a cold-blooded killer like Scott Peterson. I mean, this is a guy --
POLITAN: No. He`s a warm-blooded killer. We`re out of time, ladies.
BLOOM: He made horrible mistakes, looking at four years behind bars.
POLITAN: Lisa bloom, Lauren Lake, see you. Thanks so much.
BLOOM: Thanks, Vinnie. Thanks, Laure.
LAKE: Thanks.
