Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor"

[HIStory]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I'm always really suspicious of anyone suggesting sexual child abuse in mj's case - it is purely pernicious rumour , and to me is deliberately designed to make it more believable that mj is a child abuser as it is statistically proven that if you suffer abuse in childhood you are more likely to become an abuser yourself. DDimond states it as a fact that it happened to mj so anyone who repeats it has an agenda. I;m amazed at Karen faye joining in the speculation, but as she has proved before, with friends like her, mj didn't need enemies.

I agree.

 

[Misayko]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

oh my god. i just read the transricpt.. "incidentially recorded" haha murray come on..

i dont even want to read the rest of it.

 

[Resa]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Or it could be that he is just lying.:blowup:
Everybody try to explain the bed wetting as if it were true.

Are you serious? I can't believe some people believe Conrad Murray wet bed crap? A liar who said everything to make himself good by dehumanizing the man he killed. I sometimes dont understand people, what can be trust from a proven liar's mouth. from all the evidence, science and common sense, everything he said have been proven the lies and served only one purpose: poor Conrad Murray!

I agree. Murray is a pathological liar so why take anything he says at face value?

I'm not sure what he was trying to imply with that pee story, but from that to suggest MJ was sexually abused as a child is going a bit too far, in my opinion. Michael never claimed to have been sexually abused by Joseph or anyone else and there's no evidence of something like that. The beatings - that's another subject.

For god sake, if Michael Jackson really 'wet his bed', do you really think this shit just come out now? We are talking about Michael jackson, the man who spent most his life in hotels around the world.

I'm always really suspicious of anyone suggesting sexual child abuse in mj's case - it is purely pernicious rumour , and to me is deliberately designed to make it more believable that mj is a child abuser as it is statistically proven that if you suffer abuse in childhood you are more likely to become an abuser yourself. DDimond states it as a fact that it happened to mj so anyone who repeats it has an agenda. I;m amazed at Karen faye joining in the speculation, but as she has proved before, with friends like her, mj didn't need enemies.

I agree with you all. Why are we believing that anything Murray says may be true? In all of these years we never heard anything about bed wetting. Michael had to use a condom catherer because Murray was administering Propofol to him. It's not like Michael could get up and go to the bathroom while under anesthesia.

I also think that Murray was trying to insinuate that Joe sexually abused Michael. There is no proof of this, and I'm also suspicious of anyone who hints at this or outright says it for the reasons that Bonnie Blue mentioned. IMO Murray knew exactly what he was doing when he made that statement.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

He does not come across as sympathetic AT ALL. In fact, he appears downright lunatic, especially during his creepy "spiritual revelation."

It appeared to me that at that moment, he was badly in need of a tin-foil helmet? (insanity would have been a more viable defense?)

Right. Not sympathetic, at ALL.

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Well, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility re: the bed wetting, only because it does happen when one is under certain types of medications. When I OD'd on sedatives, I had pretty much zero control over that at the ER, so a nurse had to actually get one of those urine buckets so I could pee on it because I very evidently could not walk myself over to the bathroom. In a normal state, obviously, I have no such problem.

What I am trying to say is that Murray is full of shit regarding the bed wetting (if it is even true--I agree we ought to take anything and everything he says with a huge grain of salt) as stemming forth from psychological reasons. If it happened at all, it was obviously while Michael was under whatever Murray administered.

Otherwise, as others point out, we would have heard of this ages ago. So, the way I see it, it either only happened while he was sedated, or it never happened at all. I don't believe any of Murray's "psychological" bullshit--he's not even a psychologist, how dare he make such a statement if it is not within his field of expertise. Then again, he really doesn't have a field of expertise, does he? That is, unless conning and lying count...

@Autumn II: Yeah, he was in desperate need of a tin foil helmet!! What a freak. I hate him so much--his voice just grates on my nerves, and the way he believes his own bullshit is sick. Not even his attorneys liked him, as they both made fun of him behind his back.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing. It doesn't have to do with the documentary, but it could have something to do with the case--in particular Murray's taped conversation with Michael via the iPhone. Look what I found: http://www.metnews.com/articles/flan031502.htm

S.C. Broadly Interprets Ban on Unauthorized Recording of Phone Calls
Justices, Ruling Unanimously, Say Taping Is Illegal Regardless of Whether There Is Intent to Disseminate

Recognize anyone?

 

[MsCassieMollie]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

@MJNA FYI, the Murray documentary got 757,000 viewers on Channel 4 - #fail

 

[Ingelief]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

im sorry im confused, is the man who killed michael jackson the same as aired yesterday in the uk??

 

[djbaby]

Re: Michael Jackson & the Doctor - Australia Channel 9

I sent a tweet to Channel 9 telling them 'we don't want to hear and see this man talk about how he killed MJ'. Didn't get anything back. No way am I watching

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Yes it is. Luckily channel 4 didn't have long to advertise and that's the reason they got so few viewers. I'm glad only few people saw it, but it's a shame so many people have heard the most outrageous snippets repeated on the news.

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

im sorry im confused, is the man who killed michael jackson the same as aired yesterday in the uk??

Yes, from what I heard upon hearing of the guilty verdict, the U.K. version's title was changed to "The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson," (in itself a testament to the media's sliminess, as they were probably planning to portray it in its original form until they got slapped with the verdict and thus switched sides). Apparently, that version was also edited, and the scenes with Flanagan's ugly and disgusting ho-ho of a wife (Susan) talking smack about Michael, and Murray's weird bed-wetting comment were omitted. I can't confirm that this is true, but that is what a U.K. poster said in this thread.

The American version, AFAIK, will go on air under the same title as the Australian one, which is the "fatal friendship" melodrama. The Australian piece had both the Murray failcomment and Flanagan's ho ho wife's statement on it. No word yet if the American version will follow in the footsteps of the UK one and omit what Channel 4 allegedly did, or if they will air the bloody thing in full like Australia did.

 

[Ingelief]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

thx sev thus the australian version post here on youtube link is the whole docu? Also why is CM saying Michael said to him your my only friend? wtf? Liz then?

 

[Popescu]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I watched it on youtube, so here are my impressions.

I pride myself on being an objective fan, to the point where I refrain from posting some of my thoughts because they'd be frowned upon. So I was completely prepared to see and hear Conrad Murray's truth and understand it as it is. The problem is that this man cannot tell the truth. His web of lies is so tangled and obvious to everyone else. Even when it was clear that he was in fact going down, he could not free himself from the lies he has told up until then. He could not admit that he did it for money - this is obvious. He could not admit his own faults. He could not admit to anything.

I could go on and on about his contradictions, but it's time consuming and quite frankly, not worth it. He either was a trusted friend, in which case he betrayed his friend's trust or he was a victim. He either loved Michael or he resented him because he felt entrapped. Whatever. I expected it to be much more damaging and it wasn't.

The only thing that surprised me was to discover a humane and coherent Chernoff, unlike his performance in court. He knew that he was losing. I think that Flanagan is as arrogant as CM is, and they sided in wanting to have CM testify. Other than that, as they say in my country, much noise for nothing. In less than a year, no one will remember any of this, except for the fact that Michael was not responsible for his own death.

 

[abigaillovesmj]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

@Ivy: I know that's what he was attempting to hint at. I was just making fun of the certainty in his tone of voice when he gave his answer. It obviously served two purposes: 1) to point blame away from himself, and 2) to insinuate something scandalous about Michael. I know bed wetting in adolescents and adults is usually a sign of a psychological disorder, but consider the conditions under which Michael achieved sleep (aka Murray's entire purpose in this equation), it is likelier the bed-wetting stemmed from the nature of the agents Murray was using and their effect on Michael than on any psychological thing he may be hinting at. The guy must think we're all idiots.

@AbigailLovesMJ I will PM you the YouTube link.

Thank you so much!!!!

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

@Inge: You can find it on YouTube if you type the name of the documentary, the Australian version. I'm not posting links here. The only reason I gave Abigail links is because she is required to write a report on it, or something along those lines.

@Popescu: Yeah, Chernoff really surprised us all. He looked very timid, coherent, and overall halfway decent throughout the whole thing, whereas Flanagan came off as a total jerk. Basically, they're the exact opposite of the way each acts in court--Chernoff was the rude a--hole and Flanagan was the long-winded mono-toned one. I think the sudden change in personalities is suspicious, to be honest, and it would not surprise me if their fights and some of their commentaries were staged the way things are in reality shows (Chernoff's closing remarks, anyone?) The dinner table fight I thought was really melodramatic, as I doubt either of them would have such strong opinions either way regarding Michael (Chernoff sticking up for him admittedly caught me by surprise, as he appeared to be the closest to Murray out of all three defence attorneys).

But, anyway, the whole thing was utter chaos no matter which way you look at it, and it told you way more about the people being filmed than it did about Michael Jackson. The level of unprofessional on Flanagan's part is truly unbelievable (said "f--k you" to Chernoff, made fun of Murray behind his back [not that I'm complaining about the latter]). If I were a regular schmoe living in Glendale, California, and I saw him acting this way, I would honestly have huge doubts about hiring him, and would probably pass.

Chernoff surprisingly ends up looking better than he did in court, as I stated before.

 

[Ingelief]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

first of all wow chernoff seems nicer and cm is pissed at flanagan not using him to help for crossing.

Im now at part 4/ i find it strangly (please dont get mad) a good docu. I always wanted to hear cms version, and now i did. That he says its ok to leave and no docs is priceless.. It helps me coop with the lose of michael somehow.

edit: finished it, wow that fuck you from flanagan was harsh. What an idiot! Also Cm saying he wanted out if he saved michael that day???
And it ends with him crying?? :S

edit 2: no word about bedwetting? Was that in the docu or in the interview? the interview i havent seen yet?

 

[Popescu]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I think the sudden change in personalities is suspicious, to be honest, and it would not surprise me if their fights and some of their commentaries were staged the way things are in reality shows (Chernoff's closing remarks, anyone?) The dinner table fight I thought was really melodramatic, as I doubt either of them would have such strong opinions either way regarding Michael (Chernoff sticking up for him admittedly caught me by surprise, as he appeared to be the closest to Murray out of all three defence attorneys).

I saw the edited version, where there is no fight in the kitchen. But that was my impression, that he was the professional one. If it was an act and scripted, why would Flanagan agree to him being portrayed as an idiot? (We already know that CM is). I know that reality shows are usually scripted, but I don't think this one was - it's just a feeling. This is the first trial I have watched and it really did have a reality show flavor - almost everyone had a strong part, right down to Cherylin Lee.

 

[twinklEE]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I'm surprised to read so many of you state that Chernoff came across the opposite of how he used to be in court, honestly I never thought Flanagan was as nasty as he appears to be (for your account) in the documentary, I always seen him as too senile and too old to be coherent, but what I read, it seems as if he's a snake (an old one, at that) in disguise.

I haven't watched any of this, nor do I have any intention to do so, the only bits of information I have about this documentary is from you all, and seeing literally just seconds of it on the news, before turning off the tv.

Your accounts of Murray doesn't surprise me one bit, you could tell he's a narcissist, a dangerous one at. His behavior is utterly disgusting. I wish someone would make him pay for this pathetic documentary, he should never ever be able to make a dime of his crime again. In fact, whatever he made with this documentary (in other words, any monies he hid on Nicole's name from this documentary) should be taken away from him immediately, I hope he's ordered to pay restitution to Michael's children. I don't care if it's just few dollars. I hope his creditors go for each and every dime he possesses/ made.

I want his life to turn into living hell, as he doesn't even show any remorse, any conscious, or any other sign of guilt, nothing at all.

Like many of you, I too pray for judge Pastor to watch/hear about this, and take this into consideration while sentencing Murray. I really hope he does.

Another thing, does Gorjian participate in this documentary as well? Since everyone is mentioning Chernoff/Flanagan, what about Gorjian?

 

[rita.gibson]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Thank's for all the info everyone. While going through these pages I hear the music from the Twilight Zone and think of that man in the car that rips his face off and say's.....'Is This Scary'!!!. So Murray I would imagine very cautiously made a doc + interview cautiously paying particular attention to anything that would smear Michael but wasn't cautious enough to fore see the 'Wrath' of Judge Pastor, I think thats typical behaviour of a mad man. Perhaps Judge Pastor could get him certified and locked forever in an assylum.

 

[Vici]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

i wanna shove those "letters of encouragement" he shows in the documentary up his ass...

 

[twinklEE]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

To say he's a pathological liar and sociopath would be an understatement. I really hope Judge Pastor knows how to deal with his egoistical self.

 

[Erikmjfan]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Murray interview with brittish journu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOX3xAvVMY

 

[Vici]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Flanagan says "I never lost a case in which I felt my client was certifably (??) innocent - this can be the first"

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I saw the edited version, where there is no fight in the kitchen. But that was my impression, that he was the professional one. If it was an act and scripted, why would Flanagan agree to him being portrayed as an idiot? (We already know that CM is). I know that reality shows are usually scripted, but I don't think this one was - it's just a feeling. This is the first trial I have watched and it really did have a reality show flavor - almost everyone had a strong part, right down to Cherylin Lee.

Maybe for the same reason he agreed to represent Murray on a case that was doomed from day one, and everyone knew so? Hmmm. $$$$$

You'd be surprised how much people will stoop for a few bucks, just look all around you. People whore themselves for money all the time, and Flanagan doesn't strike me as one with a strong moral fibre. I'm sure all you've got to do is wave a few bucks in his face and boy's all yours. He is a lawyer after all...

Flanagan says "I never lost a case in which I felt my client was certifably (??) innocent - this can be the first"

Yeah, lines like that really make me think this whole thing (or at least anyone but Murray's part) was scripted. Just the way he's telling that to Chernoff, in such dramatic fashion. He himself said he was not at all surprised by the verdict (outside the doc, of course) and his own defence of Murray was so poor his cross-examinations actually contributed to the prosecution's case, so I do not for one moment believe he thought Murray to be innocent.

It's hard to judge it all, because you can tell it's been edited like all docs are. But, those were my impressions of what I've seen thus far. To answer the question, no I haven't seen Gourjian thus far, but YouTube hasn't uploaded all of it yet.

 

[Ingelief]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

i was searching some of this on the net and came across this: a juror spoke?!

In a separate interview broadcast Wednesday, one of the jurors said there were contentious moments, including yelling and cajoling, during the two days of deliberations.

Debbie Franklin, 48, told ABC-TV's "Good Morning America" in the first juror interview so far that most of the jurors had decided on guilt Friday, the first day of deliberations.

But, she said "not everyone was convinced that Dr. Murray was solely responsible for Michael Jackson's death."

"Toward the end of the day, we finally took a vote," Franklin said. "It was not unanimous and we talked a little more about it."

The panel decided to think it over during a weekend break.

"It was stressful," said the mother of two, who is a paralegal. She said there was "yelling and we had to keep saying, `Nobody talk while this person is talking. Raise your hand if you have something to say."

The majority managed on Monday to convince all jurors that Murray was negligent and his mistakes led to Jackson death, Franklin said.

"He had addictions. He asked other doctors to do it (give him the operating room anesthetic propofol). They said no. He was looking for somebody to say yes. And Conrad Murray said yes," she said.

An Associated Press reporter approached Franklin for an interview Wednesday but she refused. She said all jurors had agreed not to speak to the media, but she did not explain why they made that agreement or why she spoke to ABC.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/conrad-murray-interview_n_1088055.html

 

[Ingelief]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

Murray interview with brittish journu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOX3xAvVMY

thats the docu? Not the interview with a woman? Forgot her name

 

[Vici]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I cannot deal with this dick....

He is visibly upset and angrily says:
"The first security guy that showed up finally when he realized it was an emergeny, comes to the door and his name is Alberto Alvarez. He got to the door and he remains static"!!.

How on earth was alberto suppose to know it was an emergency and that alberto remained static, newsflash, im sure most people would react that way if they were called into a room and came across a DEAD person...

I know everyone here have already said murray is not human, shows no remorse and puts the blame on everyone and he comes off really angry and defensive in this documentary.. but really wow...he is just evil

 

[twinklEE]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

The juror should have paid better attention if she thinks Michael was addicted to Propofol, or that he was lookign fro a yes man. Making it sound like Michael was looking for someone who would just get him the drugs, so that he could to whatever the hell he wanted to. That wasn't the case here, Michael was looking for a safe way for the drug to be administered. The fact that he hired a physician who he believed was competent speaks volumes.

 

[maral]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

i was surprised when i saw the interview with juror. i thought they had to be quiet for 90 days

 

[twinklEE]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

They're allowed to speak, can't make any profit from this for 90 days though.

 

[Snow White 1937]

Re: MSNBC to air Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" / Interview part 1 transcript @

I think they can talk but they can't get paid for 90 days... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.