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Dr. Conrad Murray Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
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Dr. Conrad Murray is asking the judge in his criminal case to deny Michael Jackson's family full restitution, on grounds MJ caused his own death.

Murray filed legal docs yesterday -- obtained by TMZ -- asking for evidence the defense never received during the trial ... evidence that could show Michael self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray's lawyer, Michael Flanagan, argues that in deciding how much restitution the family gets, it's appropriate to consider the victim's responsibility for his own demise.

So Murray will concede he's partly to blame -- he can't argue otherwise because of the conviction -- but he still wants to prove that MJ ultimately caused his own death.

The prosecution is asking for around $100 million in restitution, but the judge hasn't decided on a figure. But once the figure is set, if Flanagan gets his way and the judge were to decide MJ was 50% responsible for his death, the judge would reduce the restitution award by 50%.

So the fat lady hasn't sung ... yet.
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Dearest Flanny: Give. Up. Same to you, Murray, although no way in Hell I'd call that slimeball anything even remotely endearing. In any case, Conman should have saved this for the appeal attempt, no? It has no business at a restitution hearing. Furthermore, why does it matter what amount Murray gets appointed to pay? Flanny said so himself--anything over a few dollars, he won't be able to pay anyway, so why fight it? Even if they manage to get it reduced [which they won't], he still wouldn't be able to pay it.

With that said, I hope prison is giving him Hell. Are you suffering, Murray? It truly can never be enough.
 
And its gonna make any difference if the award is 50 mill than if it was 100mill! what murray can pay 50 mill in compensation but he cant pay 100? cause other wise getting the amount cut in half is pointless and an act of desperation. any money murray makes from interviews will no doubt be given directly to nicole anyway hence why shes still with him. his only direct income will be if he works again as a dr.sooooo.its just another pathetic attempt to blame the victim
 
To me, this is really no different than what Murray has been saying since the day he was charged in Michael's death. The only new thing about this, if Murray did indeed say it, is where he supposedly admits that he was partly to blame, which I personally find quite unbelievable since he's now working on an appeal to get his conviction overturned. But his claims are still basically the same. This is all just my opinion
 
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Did the defense not listen to the Judge?? I think the Judge spent something like 30 minutes to explain his sentencing and among other things wished to distance himself from the blame-the-victim approach.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/29/justice/california-conrad-murray-sentencing/index.html said:
"Yikes! Talk about blaming the victim," he said. "Not only isn't there any remorse, there's umbrage and outrage on the part of Dr. Murray against the decedent, without any, any indication of the slightest involvement in this case."

...Pastor said that while he had considered the entire "book" of Murray's life, he also had "read the book of Michael Jackson's life." ...
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Can the defense take a hint?????? Geez. This approach didn't work- it didn't work during the trial, it got extra mentioning in the sentencing- it's only going to work against Murray. It will be beyond nauseating to keep repeating this stuff when a judge told you already to shove it.

It's also not 'taking a stand' in the eyes of the world- if that's what Murray is hoping. Man up, Murray, you caused incredible pain through one gigantic ripple effect. You cannot undo it.
 
It reminds me Flanaz when he asked the same question during the testimonies, hoping to get a different answer! :doh:
Flanaz will always be Flanaz :smilerolleyes:
 
Did Flanagan make some weird deal with Murray- to muck up on purpose so that Murray can get an appeal? Because otherwise it's incomprehensible to me how an attorney would repeatedly and willfully try something that a judge already lambasted.

The only explanation for repeating this nonsense is for an attorney to mess up on purpose so that the client can file for an appeal based on something like 'incompetent lawyer'.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
its just another pathetic attempt to blame the victim
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I think it's all it is. The 50% discount sure wont make a difference as far as murra** is concerned. Just a way to say ok you all said I did something wrong, but he's still responsible for his own death, at least partially. Ridiculous.
 
Pace said:
Did Flanagan make some weird deal with Murray- to muck up on purpose so that Murray can get an appeal? Because otherwise it's incomprehensible to me how an attorney would repeatedly and willfully try something that a judge already lambasted.

The only explanation for repeating this nonsense is for an attorney to mess up on purpose so that the client can file for an appeal based on something like 'incompetent lawyer'.
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That's what I'm wondering, if this is all on purpose. I dunno about a deal with Murray, but there is just no way someone could be this stupid for realzies. Especially someone with a relatively good reputation and record like Flanny. It just does not add up. Besides, if he was being incompetent on purpose and Murray knew about it, Murray's red bull rant would not have made any sense since he'd be in on it. Unless the whole documentary really was staged for the drama after all.

I dunno how someone could be so thick and still make it in the world. I'm intrigued. Perhaps he is doing it on purpose--but for what reason is anyone's guess. But it's not like I'm complaining--whatever hurts Murray is fine with me, and if Flanny wants to twist the knife a little more with his drunken antics, so be it.
 
What part of the Judge's speech did Muarry not understand? Didn't he hear the judge's disgust when he mentioned that muarry was blaming the victim in his video interview? Didn't he hear the judge say "talk about blaming the victim." Both Muarry and his attorney need to revisit the trial transcript. Oh and he finally realized he has some responsibility? What a surprise!!!!!!

PS Pace just saw you mentioned my point about the judge's statement above.
 
Seriously conrat & flannyboy need to let it go! murray if i were u i would shut up and accept the verdict u got cuz u could have had it worse! god he is so arrogant with no remorse whatsoever
 
^Flanny Dearest likes the attention too much, doubt he'll let it go any time soon. Murray is only acknowledging some responsibility because he has no other choice, as he has been convicted, so let's not get our hopes up about him having any sort of epiphany in prison. I'm wondering how this will affect the appeal, though.
 
I highly doubt murray will have an epiphany, hes too smug for that
 
Severus Snape said:
^Flanny Dearest likes the attention too much, doubt he'll let it go any time soon. Murray is only acknowledging some responsibility because he has no other choice, as he has been convicted, so let's not get our hopes up about him having any sort of epiphany in prison. I'm wondering how this will affect the appeal, though.
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Snape remember Muarry's interview video was seen by the judge and he commented on it during sentencing. I would bet that that statement will be taken into consideration during an appeal. Then again we need to know what are the points he is going to bring up for his appeal. Is he going to say that because the judge did not let him talk about Michael's finances and the allegations he did not have a fair trial even though he is partly guilty? This thing could become comical.
 
@8701girl: That's why I advised against getting our hopes up.

@Petrarose: This could indeed become very amusing. It's like they never learn...
 
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Snape remember Muarry's interview video was seen by the judge and he commented on it during sentencing. I would bet that that statement will be taken into consideration during an appeal. Then again we need to know what are the points he is going to bring up for his appeal. Is he going to say that because the judge did not let him talk about Michael's finances and the allegations he did not have a fair trial even though he is partly guilty? This thing could become comical.
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Also the court didn't subpoena Klein to appear as a witness.
 
Oh and let's not forget the "evidence" that supposedly wasn't allowed in court, or the evidence which was petitioned to be tested but was rejected (even though they had full access to it for ages, but mysteriously only decided to want to test it until after the trial was over). Then, of course, as kissybissy points out, there's the Klein subpoena which never was, something which holds no relevance whatsoever to Murray's failure to act properly on 6.25.2009, nor explains why he felt compelled to order all that propofol.

I think Flanny needs to quit lawyering, it's getting to him real bad. Perhaps he ought to retire and take up a nice hobby, like stamp collecting, bird watching, beanie baby hoarding, or WWII reenacting (although that's admittedly a bit ahead of his time--only a bit, though). I'll give him a hug if he does. 8D
 
Rot in jail, Murray go and meet your maker - Satan. and take Senile with you. F****ing loser.
 
Murray is just so far detached from reality, and going for a reduction in restitution is proof of that. It's over for him, let's say it, he was never making it in life before he killed Michael so how the feather brain can think that any appeal could help him is beyond comprehension. Murray can only live the life he craved for in his dreams now, if he feel's that he hasn't fallen yet....then the impact will be far greater than he could ever imagine.
 
^Me neither! 8D I'll buy popcorn just for the occasion. Aw, being cruel to Flanny is just so...well, cruel. But it is also so much fun (and I can't really say he doesn't deserve it, cuz he does, even if I do like him like that).
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But the entire library will fall on Murray, along with every grand piano in existence, if he dares pull this same sh-t and it is JP he's dealing with. I don't think JP was very much in favour of Walgren's sum, but if Murray goes to court and spouts this same sh-t again to the Honourable Judge Pastor, I think he may just tempt him into accepting Walgren's proposed restitution fee.

I think his only hope for salvation now is citing error on part of having an incompetent group of lawyers, with Flanny Dearest being at the top of that list, and in that alone Murray and I are in fullest agreement.

But even if he does get granted an appeal, there is no way in Hell he's going to get that verdict overturned, and better yet...there's also no way in Hell he will go back to living the way he was back when he was Michael's doctor. He'll have a long list of people to pay off, presumably including Cherry Pie, Flanny Boy, and Baldylocks, and of course PPB, etc. so the spiral of debt will be never-ending.

And yet, even so, it is still only a minute fraction of what he really deserves...
 
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Somebody...please SHANK this fool in that jail for ME please!!! Hell, anyone know someone in there right now, that would do the honors? I can't stand his ass.
 
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