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but i read the contract and i thought it stated the catalouge world go to AEG if Michael failed to live up to his duties... it was a long time ago i read it but i think i am right.
 
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Erikmjfan said:
but i read the contract and i thought it stated the catalouge world go to AEG if Michael failed to live up to his duties... it was a long time ago i read it but i think i am right.
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hmmm..if this is true,,then it is an interesting point. I personally cannot say with fact that I remember this..but others may, Thanks for this.
 
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there's no explicit mention of the catalog. It just says assets of MJ Company.

and I believe it's a misconception among the fans that they think every asset was owned by one single entity. It wasn't. At the time of Michael's death he had around 30 different companies that his assets was divided among.

Later tonight I can post screenshots from the contract as well.
 
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ivy said:
there's no explicit mention of the catalog. It just says assets of MJ Company.

and I believe it's a misconception among the fans that they think every asset was owned by one single entity. It wasn't. At the time of Michael's death he had around 30 different companies that his assets was divided among.

Later tonight I can post screenshots from the contract as well.
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I think part of this misconception happened because of Rowe's book. Although most fans didn't read it, the ones who did spread some of the information they cherry picked from it and spread it among the fan boards. That's why most fans believe that Michael would had lost everything if he didn't do these concerts.



This is a little late, but apparently the family's statement was written and drafted by Randy.
 
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^^ That's interesting re randy, i personally didn't like the family statement - it was a bit redundant to say the children missed their father AND their dad - same thing, the performing thing for the brothers was just an odd addition. Walgren's words that he picked out of the probation report were far more affecting. And i think one of the family shd have read it in court - they're not shy of talking to every media outlet going for the past 2 yrs so it's a little late to be retiring and discreet.

And ivy and ramona, what's with all this clearing up misconceptions amongst fans and posting screencaps of contracts - where's the fun in that, when we can just speculate and ruminate and use our imaginations to develop elaborate theories, and add 2 plus 2 and get a really big number. I'm off to the surveillance tape thread to see if there's something important that everybody's missed.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
^^ That's interesting re randy, i personally didn't like the family statement - it was a bit redundant to say the children missed their father AND their dad - same thing, the performing thing for the brothers was just an odd addition. Walgren's words that he picked out of the probation report were far more affecting. And i think one of the family shd have read it in court - they're not shy of talking to every media outlet going for the past 2 yrs so it's a little late to be retiring and discreet.

And ivy and ramona, what's with all this clearing up misconceptions amongst fans and posting screencaps of contracts - where's the fun in that, when we can just speculate and ruminate and use our imaginations to develop elaborate theories, and add 2 plus 2 and get a really big number. I'm off to the surveillance tape thread to see if there's something important that everybody's missed.
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Pretty sure Dave felt the same way hence he picked up and read the relevant parts of the interview Katherine gave the sheriff's. I didn't like the family statement at all, it seemed rushed, emotionless and brief, like they wrote something down for the sake of writing but without really caring about it.
 
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Agree. done in five mins on the back of a cig packet. not that i expected anything diff. only good thing is it wadnt toya or rebbie etc getting up there. guess they only talk when they are getting paid and talking crap about mj
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
^^ That's interesting re randy, i personally didn't like the family statement - it was a bit redundant to say the children missed their father AND their dad - same thing, the performing thing for the brothers was just an odd addition. Walgren's words that he picked out of the probation report were far more affecting. And i think one of the family shd have read it in court - they're not shy of talking to every media outlet going for the past 2 yrs so it's a little late to be retiring and discreet.

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I agree, sadly it didn't feel very heartfelt to me. Perhaps the family couldn't agree on who was going to read the statement.
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Ivy I would be really appreciate if you can summarize the contract and clear up the misunderstanding.
I think I also read lots of post in this forum or other forums using Leonard Row's book as a source.
If I remembered correctly, he had some sort of copy of the contract and saying MJ would lose the catalog.
This is one of the reason he though it's conspiracy etc.
I never understand how come MJ would sign the contract like that.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
His book always made me headache when I tried to read it so I never finished it.
Hope Ivy can give us a better insight. Thank you so much.
 
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^^ Don't know if it helps, but i was skimming through this thread a few days ago as don't know anything about this case, and in an earlier post it shows the contract is posted on radarline's website, so you can click if you want to look at it. It's redacted.

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG contract.pdf
 
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I don't think there's any possibility of this lawsuit being successful. It's a shame that Michael's family involved his children in this lawsuit.
 
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missred07 said:
Ivy I would be really appreciate if you can summarize the contract and clear up the misunderstanding.
I think I also read lots of post in this forum or other forums using Leonard Row's book as a source.
If I remembered correctly, he had some sort of copy of the contract and saying MJ would lose the catalog.
This is one of the reason he though it's conspiracy etc.
I never understand how come MJ would sign the contract like that.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
His book always made me headache when I tried to read it so I never finished it.
Hope Ivy can give us a better insight. Thank you so much.
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I'll do it later this weekend or next week. It's in my to do list but I require sometime for it. My work is a little hectic now.
 
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ivy said:
I'll do it later this weekend or next week. It's in my to do list but I require sometime for it. My work is a little hectic now.
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Thanks Ivy. I want the real load down on the contract, not Rowe's skew opinions.
 
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missred07 said:
Ivy I would be really appreciate if you can summarize the contract and clear up the misunderstanding.
I think I also read lots of post in this forum or other forums using Leonard Row's book as a source.
If I remembered correctly, he had some sort of copy of the contract and saying MJ would lose the catalog.
This is one of the reason he though it's conspiracy etc.
I never understand how come MJ would sign the contract like that.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
His book always made me headache when I tried to read it so I never finished it.
Hope Ivy can give us a better insight. Thank you so much.
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Thanks for the warning about Leonard Row's book regarding the headaches you suffered while reaing. I will not be wasting my money on his book.
 
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Naturelle said:
Thanks for the warning about Leonard Row's book regarding the headaches you suffered while reaing. I will not be wasting my money on his book.
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If you want, you can read it for free on Jetix. If you do, you're better than me since I roll my eyes just looking at the cover and I won't waste a moment of my life reading Rowe's trash.
 
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Bitter_finalEE_twinklEE said:
I find it offending and insulting toward Michael everytime the Jackson's or their stans refer to this lawsuit as ''justice''.

This ain't about justice, this has never been about justice. The moment Michael died his family decided to make the best out of the situation by exploiting his passing to the fullest, and to this day their exploitive schemes haven't stopped. Their statement for the sentencing made it very clear, where their priorities lay, and what they've IF at all mourned, they regret Michael's passing because he cannot be dragged onto a stage with them anymore. Their meal ticket is gone and the attention toward Michael is not going to stay this high in the coming years, soon even their new found ''fame'' and ''celebrity'' will fade away.
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Thats all they think of, JUST US,' the Jacksons' smdh
 
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Connecticut Attorney to Represent Michael Jackson's Family - Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder - Press Release - Digital Journal

Connecticut Attorney to Represent Michael Jackson's Family - Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder

Michael Koskoff, a partner in the Connecticut-based law firm Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, has joined the legal team bringing a wrongful death case civil suit for the family of Michael Jackson.

December 08, 2011 /24-7PressRelease/ -- Michael Koskoff, a partner in the Connecticut-based law firm Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, has joined the legal team bringing a wrongful death case civil suit for the family of Michael Jackson. The suit is against entertainment giant Anschutz Entertainment Group and its concert promotion subsidiary, AEG Live, for the death of the pop icon.

Koskoff joins a Los Angeles law-firm, Panish, Shea & Boyle, in representing members of Jackson's family, including his children Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson, and Prince, as well as their legal guardian, grandmother Katherine Jackson (Michael's mother). Jackson's father, Joseph, is not represented in the suit.

AEG, a corporation that produces and promotes live entertainment, owns and operates concert venues, clubs, theaters, arenas and stadiums, including the Staples Center in Los Angeles where Michael Jackson had been rehearsing for his worldwide concert tour, "This Is It."

Rehearsals for Jackson's long-awaited comeback tour had begun in April of 2009. The legendary singer went into cardiac arrest and died on June 25, 2009.

The suit alleges that AEG had arranged to retain Dr. Conrad Murray, a cardiologist, to serve as Jackson's personal, on-call physician. Murray, 58, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in connection with Jackson's death from a drug overdose. Prosecutors in the criminal case argued that Murray behaved recklessly by using a surgical anesthetic to treat the 50-year-old singer's insomnia and was therefore criminally negligent in the performer's death.

Murray acknowledged giving Jackson Propofol as a sleep aid, but denied any wrongdoing. The powerful anesthetic is normally administered only in hospital settings.

The Los Angeles County coroner blamed Jackson's death on Propofol intoxication and ruled it a homicide.

More than two years after Jackson died, Murray was sentenced to four years in county jail and was required to pay nominal fines as well.

The civil lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson accuses AEG of negligence in retaining Murray and forcing Jackson to agree to be under his care or to risk having the tour canceled. The suit also alleges that AEG participated in allowing Murray to act without adhering to proper medical standards.

Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, nationally known for personal injury, medical malpractice, product liability, and class actions, concentrates its practice in handling cases for people who suffer serious personal injury or economic harm. Attorneys from KK&B have been responsible for important changes in the conduct of corporate and government defendants. The firm has offices in Bridgeport, Danbury, New Haven, and Stamford.

Website: http://www.koskoff.com
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December 2011 KJ - AEG lawsuit update

Katherine Jackson's first set of interrogatories has been filed. Interrogatories is request for more information.

Katherine is asking more information about

- the names of lawyers who represented Michael at MJ- AEG contract, negotiations
- if Tohme was paid by AEG since 2007
- if AEG paid Michael any advances since January 2009
- if AEG paid Michael's rent
- any communications with Michael about missing rehearsals
- if they told Michael to stop or recommend to take medications
- if they told Michael to stop or recommend to see a doctor
- if they knew Murray bought Propofol
- if they compensated Murray
- about June 18 meeting

Katherine is asking AEG to provide the following documents

- any insurance policies on Michael in regards to TII
- documents about TII
- AEG's communications with Murray (such as emails)
- agreements between AEG - MJ and AEG - Murray
- TII revenue expectations
- documents about TII schedule change including expenses and/or profits
- documents about the people AEG hired to work for Michael such as security guards, drivers, assistants, lawyers, medical doctors and so on.
- any documents about Michael's health
- any documents about Murray's medical treatment of Michael (good luck finding that)
- any documents about Tohme and Denis Hawk including communications and any payments
- documents about Murray's medical requests
- visitor logs / security logs for Michael's Carolwood residence for months of May and June 2009.
 
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AEG's initial response

As expected AEG calls Katherine Jackson's requests too broad and too burdensome. They have filed for a protective order - saying that some documents are confidential and needs to be sealed. They are waiting for a decision on this to provide the requested documents. Katherine Jackson's lawyers are against this. There will be a hearing mid-January to decide about the protective order and possible sealing of the documents.

In their initial response AEG also states that
- talks about TII tour started in September 2008
- some documents are protected by attorney client privilege
- AEG has never entered into a written or oral agreement with Murray
- AEG has never compensated Murray
- Murray never requested medical equipment or nurse to be used in Los Angeles - he asked for them for London.
- AEG doesn't have security logs or visitor passes for Carolwood residence.

AEG is willing to provide the rest of the documents that was asked but they want them to be sealed and marked confidential. We'll see how the judge will decide in a month.
 
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thanks ivy. seems alot of the questions above were answered during the trial
 
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ivy said:
AEG's initial response

As expected AEG calls Katherine Jackson's requests too broad and too burdensome. They have filed for a protective order - saying that some documents are confidential and needs to be sealed. They are waiting for a decision on this to provide the requested documents. Katherine Jackson's lawyers are against this. There will be a hearing mid-January to decide about the protective order and possible sealing of the documents.

AEG is willing to provide the rest of the documents that was asked but they want them to be sealed and marked confidential. We'll see how the judge will decide in a month.
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Update: Minor win for AEG in the case. Judge has granted AEG request for marking the documents confidential and possibly sealing them.
 
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Supporting AEG. This trial brought on by Katherine & ossibly her unemployed kids, using MJ's kids as a shield, is about greed...not about truth.


Go AEG!!!! Defend yourself....

Murray , who had been MJ's doctor for years, killed MJ. AEG wasn't in the room. Nor did they forced Murray on MJ. That family continue to act irresponsibly.
 
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I can't remember what is she claiming in her lawsuit again?
 
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legally
1. breach of contract - failing to provide their duties / responsibilities towards Michael's health and well-being
2. negligent hiring and supervising - in regards to Murray
3. respondeat superior - being responsible for Murray's actions as they are his employer

In layman's terms and very short way

AEG hired Murray to treat Michael and Murray's treatment killed Michael. AEG's actions were motivated by profits rather than Michael's health. They failed to supervise Murray and put Michael's health first.


fraud/civil conspiracy and emotional distress was thrown out. They also removed Ortega from the lawsuit.
 
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I see thank you Ivy. And IMO someone or some people want a settlement
 
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Justthefacts said:
I see thank you Ivy. And IMO someone or some people want a settlement
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in all statements AEG says they won't settle. In my personal opinion I don't think AEG will be motivated to accept any guilt, responsibility in Michael's death or pay anything. They also have a decent chance of winning this as they never signed the contract and never paid Murray. (Lloyd's seems a lot more iffy and I personally do expect a settlement in that one) We'll see I guess, anything is possible.
 
ivy said:
legally 1. breach of contract - failing to provide their duties / responsibilities towards Michael's health and well-being2. negligent hiring and supervising - in regards to Murray3. respondeat superior - being responsible for Murray's actions as they are his employerIn layman's terms and very short wayAEG hired Murray to treat Michael and Murray's treatment killed Michael. AEG's actions were motivated by profits rather than Michael's health. They failed to supervise Murray and put Michael's health first.fraud/civil conspiracy and emotional distress was thrown out. They also removed Ortega from the lawsuit.
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the lawsuit seems to very small now compaired to the begining.and two parts of it are based on AEG hiring/picking murray which is easy to disprove
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
the lawsuit seems to very small now compaired to the begining.and two parts of it are based on AEG hiring/picking murray which is easy to disprove
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Yeah, I agree.

It's almost like they should just take that part out or I guess if they did, it would totally collapse their theory of events.

I mean, at this point it is more then evident that Michael Jackson had a doctor/patient relationship with The Murderer Murray a long time before AEG came on the scene. Some of us even were able to figure out the timeline of that relationship, but the recent trial sort of made that information basic knowledge.

I also believe that Ortega's conversation with Murray, wherein Murray basically dismissed Ortega's concern, will also play a major role in how this all plays out.

And why on earth would AEG have access to "visitor and/or security" logs for Michael's home. LOL! That request made me laugh.

At this point, in my opinion, them continuing to say that AEG "picked out Murray to be Michael's doctor" is basically a lie.
 
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Murray himself stated Michael introduced him to AEG not the opposite. Also I believe it was proven in court that AEG didnt hire Murray. He was never going to be their emplyeee. He was hired by Michael in the contract and AEG would pay the bills in his behalf to be reimbursed by Michael. At least thats how I understood it. Plus It all had to be approved and signed by Michael or no deal. The contract was never finalised.
 
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Katherine Jackson is saying that AEG found hired and told Murray how to treat Michael? So they just do happen to find a doctor who had been treating
Michael since 06 to be his doctor for this tour? Good lord woman really
 
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