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Michael Jackson's Brother Randy Sues Ex-Wife

How will Michael's children be exploited to get this judgement paid? I hate to think about it. Randy will not or cannot pay this. I wish the family could find a means to gain income with a legitimate endeavor. It is past time for them to stop going to their mother for financing. I believe she is also financing her grandchildren's career's. How is it after Michael's death they can come up with their own record labels, have musical showcases overseas and publish books? I hope I am just being too mistrustful, or maybe I'm just not minding my own business. They could be using income from items they have submitted to auctions and not using any money from Mrs. Jackson.
 
I think they are both doing wrong. randy should pay child support and Alexandra needs to get off her behind and start earning some money. She's been lviing on the Jackons (mainly Michael) expense way too long. She's using the family as well. And the poor kids get stuck in the middle. But I agree that it doens't look like they are missing out on something.
 
Sunflowers said:
I think they are both doing wrong. randy should pay child support and Alexandra needs to get off her behind and start earning some money. She's been lviing on the Jackons (mainly Michael) expense way too long. She's using the family as well. And the poor kids get stuck in the middle. But I agree that it doens't look like they are missing out on something.
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I don't care about her she should get off or go and hunt the deadbeat she f.cked with. It's not Michael's problem. I don't understand why Michael has to pay for his brothers mistresses and their illegitimate children. It's not fair at all. Randy's children are well above 20. Genevevieve is a grown woman, who should go and support herself, go to school or get a effing job, instead of pretending to be a singer or a celebrity when you are not. I don't get these people, first of all they breed like rats, then they don't even take care of them.
 
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Randy can surely use all the money he stole from MJ while he was fitting for his life in 2005, to settle the $600,000


At this point, surely, you guys aren't surprised by this latest embarrassment from the family. I, on the other hand, am amused.
 
I really hope this type of behaviour stops with this generation. I'd hate ppb to have this same feeling of guilt and obligation that mj clearly had. The disparity in wealth between ppb and the rest of the family (bar janet) will be big.
 
cinzia said:
Can't help but make you wonder just how good a job Katherine and Joe did with those kids of theirs.
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I know I'll hurt a few sensibilities and I apologize in advance. Both those people have been terrible parents. They dont have one single not emotionally/psychologically damaged kid, including Michael (sorry sweet face). Education obviously never was their priority, and the only value I can see shared is greed (Michael definitely not included). I agree on the "different time, different lives" thing, but still, nothing seems to have changed.

Randy's "excuses" are something between outrageous and ludicrous. As for the mother, what a great example she's been for her children.
What can these kids feel like, I wonder?
 
Bonnie Blue said:
^ 'If you can't feed a baby, don't have a baby'. Wanna be starting something, 1982.

At least have the decency to acknowledge that it is their brother, michael's, money that has supported alexandra and her children, rather than just saying 'the family compound'.
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HA HA HA I am listening to MJtunes and that's the song that was playin when I read this! WOW!

Man MJ did waaaaay to much for his fam waaaay to much!
 
So who did randy think was paying to put clothes on his kids back pay for trips? If he wasnt paying a dime. mj paid the house hold bills so i guess randy expected mj to pay the kids general living costs aswell. did alex work and bring any money in or did everything come from mj via the money he gave katherine.a nice cushy life style for many. didnt jerm do this aswell
 
elusive moonwalker said:
So who did randy think was paying to put clothes on his kids back pay for trips? If he wasnt paying a dime. mj paid the house hold bills so i guess randy expected mj to pay the kids general living costs aswell. did alex work and bring any money in or did everything come from mj via the money he gave katherine.a nice cushy life style for many. didnt jerm do this aswell
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yes Jermaine did... They know good and well Katherine didn't work, so they knew where Katherine got her funds from and it was Michael. So she in turn took care of all them while not paying attention to the man who was giving her the money.
 
It amazes me all that Michael did for his family. I hope people will see that if it wasn't for Michael they would have nothing.
 
Ben said:
I know I'll hurt a few sensibilities and I apologize in advance. Both those people have been terrible parents. They dont have one single not emotionally/psychologically damaged kid, including Michael (sorry sweet face). Education obviously never was their priority, and the only value I can see shared is greed (Michael definitely not included). I agree on the "different time, different lives" thing, but still, nothing seems to have changed.

Randy's "excuses" are something between outrageous and ludicrous. As for the mother, what a great example she's been for her children.
What can these kids feel like, I wonder?
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The truth is the truth....There's no point in sugarcoating the stinking mess this family is wallowing in.

Terrible & destructive parents.
 
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Oh Randy....
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:sigh: Shame!!!!! :puke:
 
If Michael had been shown to be a dead beat Dad he'd have been crucified by the media. His brothers on the other hand are ignored and never questioned about the way they left their children to be dependant on Michael.
 
Randy should get the cash from his favorite sister Janet. The one who strolled into court with him holding his hand all the time like they were so together and supportive:smilerolleyes:
 
Joe was a philanderer, he set a fine example for his children. And there were no consequences to his actions. So what did his children learn from this? Randy seems to have learned someone else will pick up the bill for him.

Joe made his sons work so hard to achieve their successes, he drove them to be 'perfect' onstage...so why did they turn out the way they did? Why the apparent feeling of entitlement? Who planted that little seed in them?

I've always wondered why Michael called his mother 'perfect'. Did he truly believe it or did he want to believe it? Or was this said just for the sake of the media. We have heard how his father 'disciplined' (abused) him, Katherine obviously had to be there when at least some of it took place. Did she ever put herself between Joe and his small son to try and protect him? Or did she do nothing because that was 'the way it was' ? There is no love so blind as the love of a child for his/her parent. If he couldn't love and get love from his father, his mother then got it all from him. I can imagine all kinds of scenarios where an emotionally controlling mother could exert subtle and not so subtle influence over a vulnerable child no matter his age.
In many ways, I think this is more cruel than physical abuse. At least that is straight forward and obvious. But emotional abuse...I don't know if one can ever truly recover from something like that.
Of course all of this is conjecture and supposition based on what I read.
But, I think, that in many ways, allowing all the 'extended' family to roost at Hayvenhurst and be supported by Michael was just another way to continue to abuse him.

Why does it seem she looked out for all the others, but not him?
 
^It is my opinion that Katherine couldn't have cared less about the abuse that went on. To this day, she defends Joe and downplays all reports of abuse, even going as far as calling them lies and saying Joe was a nice, kind guy. Indirectly, she's discrediting Michael's claims and calling him a liar.

wow. nice. My post was edited by a mod to add the words, 'It is my opinion'. Like it or not, the way she defends Joe whenever stories of abuse are brought up (she even said he was 'kind' on one occasion), doesn't leave much room to ponder whether it was fact, fiction or opinion.

Seriously, if she believed it was abuse, why defend it even today? And wouldn't she have done more to protect her child back then? Michael said he was stripped nude, oiled and whipped, and all Katherine did was stand in the corner.

Whoever edited my post, do you seriously believe Katherine cared about it? If yes, then why doesn't her actions and words support it?

Back to the topic of Randy. I was only replying cinzia's post.
 
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I truly suspect that there are some in that family who are really feeling the pinch financial wise, hence their very questionable actions since Michael's passing.
 
From the original complaint

- In 1989 Alejandra files a declaration of paternity for Genevieve.
- Randy says he never got the notice and never appeared to court and there have been a default judgement.
- In the default judgement Randy was ordered to pay $1,200 per month in child support. Randy also says he never got the default judgement notice.
- Randy's lawyer at that time was Brian Oxman.
- Randy says he learned about the lawsuit and the judgement in 2008 when Child Services tried to get money from his bank accounts.
- Randy accuses Alejandra of hiding the judgement for 18 years despite there have been multiple discussions of child support between her and Randy and Oxman.
- Randy alleges that Alejandra was receiving appropriate child support bu living in Hayvenhurst and her & Genevieve's expenses paid equaled to $50,000 to $130,000 a month.
- Randy says that on October 28, 1993 Randy and Alejandra entered into a written agreement that Randy would provide Genevieve and Randy Jr. housing, utilities, food in Hayvenhurst till the children turn 18 in exchange for all child support requirements.
- The agreement reads " Mr. Jackson has made arrangements with his brother Michael and his mother Katherine to have you and the children reside at the Hayvenhurst house or such other substitute house Katherine Jackson may reside or designate in the future."
- The complaint alleges that the average monthly costs for providing to Alejandra and Genevieve and Randy Jr was $30,000. It also says the average cost of maintaining Hayvenhurst changed from $50,000 to $130,000.
- What Alejandra and her children received in the house is listed as food, utilities, maids, cooks, security guards, phone, gardener, maintenance, cars and mortgage payments. This was $40,000 a month in 1993 and $66,000 a month in 2003.
- Randy alleges due to the above he provided support which equaled to more than $600,000 a year for more than 19 years and Alejandra and her kids lived like "kings and queens at Randy Jackson's expense".
- So in 2008 Child Services puts a levy on Randy's account for $453,000 and get $1,200 from an account of Randy. This is when Randy and Oxman realize what's going on.
- Oxman files a motion to quash but cannot find the 1993 agreement between Randy and Alejandra. He finally finds it at September 2009. They ask Alejandra to acknowledge the agreement and she does nothing until March 2011.
- The complaint says " Alejandra again waited, still living in the Hayvenhurst house, still collecting her share of $66,000 a month expenditure on the home and accepting its benefits"


Randy alleges that
- Alejandra didn't tell him about her complaint and the default judgement so that he wouldn't be able to make an appearance and defend his rights
- the judgement should be set aside as he wasn't properly served
- Alejandra got over $5,000 from his accounts and he wants it back also wants Alejandra to be ordered to pay $250,000 for damages and to punish her.
- Randy also wants Alejandra to pay for the costs of this lawsuit.

Note: Randy's current lawyer is Bret Lewis.
 
Note: As you can see from the above the money that Randy alleges to give to Alejandra and her kids is actually her share of Hayvenhurst expenses and mortgage. As TMZ pointed out it's more likely that upkeep of Hayvenhurst has came from Michael's pocket. funnily the complaint says that Alejandra was enjoying her share of monthly $66,000 in 2011 - which we know for a fact was being paid by MJ Estate.

Explanation: By the "share" I mean the document alleges that the Alejandra and her kids were the majority of the Hayvenhurst occupants (57 to 66%).
 
ivy said:
From the original complaint

- In 1989 Alejandra files a declaration of paternity for Genevieve.
- Randy says he never got the notice and never appeared to court and there have been a default judgement.
- In the default judgement Randy was ordered to pay $1,200 per month in child support. Randy also says he never got the default judgement notice.
- Randy's lawyer at that time was Brian Oxman.
- Randy says he learned about the lawsuit and the judgement in 2008 when Child Services tried to get money from his bank accounts.
- Randy accuses Alejandra of hiding the judgement for 18 years despite there have been multiple discussions of child support between her and Randy and Oxman.
- Randy alleges that Alejandra was receiving appropriate child support bu living in Hayvenhurst and her & Genevieve's expenses paid equaled to $50,000 to $130,000 a month.
- Randy says that on October 28, 1993 Randy and Alejandra entered into a written agreement that Randy would provide Genevieve and Randy Jr. housing, utilities, food in Hayvenhurst till the children turn 18 in exchange for all child support requirements.
- The agreement reads " Mr. Jackson has made arrangements with his brother Michael and his mother Katherine to have you and the children reside at the Hayvenhurst house or such other substitute house Katherine Jackson may reside or designate in the future."
- The complaint alleges that the average monthly costs for providing to Alejandra and Genevieve and Randy Jr was $30,000. It also says the average cost of maintaining Hayvenhurst changed from $50,000 to $130,000.
- What Alejandra and her children received in the house is listed as food, utilities, maids, cooks, security guards, phone, gardener, maintenance, cars and mortgage payments. This was $40,000 a month in 1993 and $66,000 a month in 2003.
- Randy alleges due to the above he provided support which equaled to more than $600,000 a year for more than 19 years and Alejandra and her kids lived like "kings and queens at Randy Jackson's expense".
- So in 2008 Child Services puts a levy on Randy's account for $453,000 and get $1,200 from an account of Randy. This is when Randy and Oxman realize what's going on.
- Oxman files a motion to quash but cannot find the 1993 agreement between Randy and Alejandra. He finally finds it at September 2009. They ask Alejandra to acknowledge the agreement and she does nothing until March 2011.
- The complaint says " Alejandra again waited, still living in the Hayvenhurst house, still collecting her share of $66,000 a month expenditure on the home and accepting its benefits"


Randy alleges that
- Alejandra didn't tell him about her complaint and the default judgement so that he wouldn't be able to make an appearance and defend his rights
- the judgement should be set aside as he wasn't properly served
- Alejandra got over $5,000 from his accounts and he wants it back also wants Alejandra to be ordered to pay $250,000 for damages and to punish her.
- Randy also wants Alejandra to pay for the costs of this lawsuit.

Note: Randy's current lawyer is Bret Lewis.
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Just looking at the amount of money shelled out by the Bank of Michael Jackson compared to the "over $5,000" from Randy's account is appalling. Dads that make less money in a year than what was allegedly spent for those kids living expenses in a month pay way more than that in child support. But money aside, how much time did he actually spend around his children? Did he feel he was emotionally supporting them or something?

Watching all theses people fight about money they never earned but feel entitled to is just embarrassing now.
 
Thanks Ivy
Yes It is clear Alejandra and her kids were being supported but certainly NOT by Randy
I dont know how he even has the gall to sue for such a small amont that was finally
taken from his own account being her never supported them himself to begin with.

But I dont think Alejandra deserves any more compensation either. being she was supported
all these years by Michael. either way I woulnt mind one bit if they put the shaft to Randy.

These are things we have known for years and now Im glad it all comes out in court documents
to show it was indeed Michael supporting those who lived at havenhurst. I believe he did it for the
childrens sake - He was so generous but seems his family was / is never satisfied
 
the estate should flile a motion asking that they get the 600k. not that they would for fear of offending katherine no doubt
 
What angers me about this 'arrangement' for both jermaine and now we see randy's children is that it continued in the last years of mj's life when it was crystal clear to his family that mj was stuggling financially with cashflow. Whilst he and his children were living as 'vagabonds', mj (according to grace i think) was still giving monthly amounts to mrs j amounting to about $800K pa. Why on earth didn't the brothers didn't step in at this point to contribute, and why didn't janet help shoulder some of the burden? The lack of self-respect amongst the siblings is total. Yet you don't get a sense of gratitude towards mj, just simmering resentment.
 
^^ Actually we dont know if Janet has or has not contibuted to katherine to support the Fam. Like MJ she just might not talk about it. So to ask why she didnt help is an assumption. The rest I agree with ..
 
qbee said:
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I dont know how he even has the gall to sue for such a small amont that was finally
taken from his own account being her never supported them himself to begin with.
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well because if he didn't sue the rest of the $453,000 judgement would have been taken from his accounts. So he has a motivation to sue.
 
^^ Yes i thought about that after I posted - I was mainly being sarcastic
She should'nt recieve double support. But regardless of the outcome Im glad its
all out in the open On Paper ... So people can see for themselves who supported
the occupents at havenhurts. In fact MJ supported both Randy and Jermaines children.
 
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