Conrad Murray is requesting Bail Pending Appeal. [UPDATE] Request Denied

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Flanagan showed his hate for mj during the doc. of course thats an factor when u keep pushing a case where u have no chance .especailly when u look back to some of the things said by those two in their attempt to defend murray ontop of the fame of being
involved. sneddon didnt try to lynch mj for the good of the legal system did he
 
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Flanagan showed his hate for mj during the doc. of course thats an factor when u keep pushing a case where u have no chance .especailly when u look back to some of the things said by those two in their attempt to defend murray ontop of the fame of being
involved. sneddon didnt try to lynch mj for the good of the legal system did he

Sneddon truly did everything within his power and more to try and make Michael's life a living Hell, and if I understand it rightly he was upset over MJ being the richest person in the whole county, etc. Then the rumours someone wanted Neverland territory for vineyards. He pursued the thing with a lot of zeal, for over ten years. Neither Flanagan nor Gourjian showed up in anything MJ-related until now.

Yes, I am aware as to what was said in the documentary, but that's not enough to allege that's his rationale for stretching this thing out. Like I said, he overstretched the Britney Spears thing also, seems to be his method of doing things, and again... free exposure, fame, from being involved in a high-profile case. I think we'd still see them stretch it out if this were a case involving someone else's death. [Unless you want to make an argument he's very passionate about Britney Spears, lol].

Neither Flanagan nor Gourjian have much of a reason for being further involved other than their own selfish motives, they both seem like self-centered individuals, so if there was a reason, their own self-interest would be it. Sneddon was a rare case, and he obviously took MJ's wealth as some kind of a personal insult, but Flanagan and Gourjian don't appear to have strong opinions either way. They could have said and done worse than what they have done up to this point [especially now that the trial is over], yet they didn't/haven't, because they obviously don't care very much.

Like I said previously, the world doesn't revolve around MJ and it's obvious most people aside from us fans don't give a crap either way. Flanagan, Gourjian, and Chernoff used Murray and his case to get some free press, and that's it. The lot of them are walking out on him come appeal time, Chernoff did already because he cannot afford to stay in CA anymore, not because he had some revelation. He'd still be there if he could.

But if what you said were true, that their so-called hatred for Michael was their reason, why not represent Murray during appeal also? Obviously none of them want to do that. And, as for the things they tried to claim during the trial--they're lawyers trying a hard case with nothing at all to justify their client's actions. The only thing left to do was try and shift the blame somewhere, and there were only two people in that room at the time. That's obvious.

Comparing Gourjian and Flanagan to Sneddon I think is unfair and a criminal stretch. Sneddon caused so much damage to Michael's life and truly did everything in his power to hurt him. Neither Gourjian nor Flanagan have done anything save express their opinions, which they are entitled to, as poor as they might be.
 
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U need specialised appeal lawyer for appeals. not compairing sneddon and flannagan etc just stating that lawyers personal opinions of ppl contribute to how they act either for or against said person. And sneedon is a good example of that. or mez was if u go to the other end of the scale. flanagan and co got involved for the chance of the fame and fortune if they managed to get him off and its no big jump to include personal issues against mj in that especially when we know how flanagan felt about mj
 
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^I doubt they were too much of an influence, still. Personal feelings don't always affect how someone acts, and like I said, neither of them expressed strong enough opinions. They could have said and done worse when they had the chance, and neither did, so it's obvious neither care too much either way. The reason they took on the case and are still involved is because they like the press, and because they can't just walk out on a client--they have to help him file an appeal. That's standard procedure. And, like I said many times prior, he stretched out Spears' case also, and he doesn't seem to harbor a strongly pro-Britney attitude.

Anyone in their right mind would stretch something out that proves lucrative one way or another. I do it all the time.

And, Sneddon's thing with MJ was pure hatred, and jealousy, proven by the zeal with which he pursued harming him, and publicly saying/alleging horrible things about him, which need not be repeated here. Flanagan expressed his opinion at the dinner table in his own home. Much different.
 
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The D.A. is alarmed that Dr. Conrad Murray is asking the trial judge to spring him from the pokey while he appeals his conviction in the death of Michael Jackson -- arguing Murray is a danger to society.

According to the new docs, obtained by TMZ, prosecutors say Murray has shown no remorse for his "reckless and criminal conduct that directly caused Michael Jackson's death." In other words, the D.A. says Murray just doesn't get it, and he could engage in the same conduct again if the judge lets him loose.

The D.A. also claims Murray is a flight risk, because he no longer has strong ties to California now that his medical license has been revoked.

As for Murray's grounds for appealing the conviction, the D.A. claims they're all bogus. The D.A. makes mention of the judge's decision to exclude Dr. Arnold Klein's testimony. Klein gave MJ scores of Demerol shots in the months preceding his death, but the D.A. says no traces of the drug were found in MJ's body at the time of his death.


http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/21/dr-conrad-murray-jail-appeal-danger-to-society-michael-jackson/
 
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Delighted to see that the D.A. is STILL on top of The Murderer Murray and his actions!

He deserves no mercy!

And, in my opinion, the fact that he STILL does not get it, continues to make him a danger to society.

Although I never saw that so-called documentary The Murderer participated in, I read enough about it to know that he STILL feels no remorse and he did nothing wrong.

I really wish they could lock him up and throw away the key! That would have been MY type of justice.
 
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Although I never saw that so-called documentary The Murderer participated in, I read enough about it to know that he STILL feels no remorse and he did nothing wrong.

That documentary really showed his true colours. He came of as very ignorant and lack of understanding his role in MJs death. He did actually not understand what he had done and of course showed NO remorse... plus blamed MJ for keeping him trapped in their friendship
 
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Yes, he even blamed Michael for dying. You need to see it to believe it. I watched it, and it just confirmed the feeling I had from his behavior during the trial, and his defense.
He IS a danger to society, he really doesn't get it, wether you call him liar, crazy, sick .. I honestly don't understand him.
 
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Yes, he even blamed Michael for dying. You need to see it to believe it.
I watched it from ytube and couldn't believe my ears what he was saying, still can't.
I think, in a way its worth of watching as I believe after judge saw it, it was the final nail in Murray's coffin.
No remorse what so ever and he had nerve to put the blame on Michael in every way.
 
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The documentary honestly made him sound insane. I like the part where they all gathered around the table and prayed to god for a favourable verdict, and it all blew in their faces. LMFAO.
 
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Thank God for the Prosecutors once again.

[h=2]Prosecutors want Michael Jackson doctor kept in jail[/h]
February 22, 2012 7:30pm

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var switchTo5x=true;stLight.options({publisher:'2fe2f580-75f9-45bd-ad56-972d8c36a727'});LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's doctor should not be freed pending an appeal of his involuntary manslaughter conviction because he is a flight risk and has shown no remorse for his part in the singer's death, prosecutors argued in court papers on Tuesday.

The attorneys said Dr. Conrad Murray, who is serving four years in jail, should be denied his bid for freedom at a Los Angeles court hearing set for Friday.

Prosecutors David Walgren and Deborah Brazil said there was "complete uncertainty" over whether Murray would remain in California or flee if allowed out on bail.

"Based on his failure to accept responsibility for the decisions he made, his complete lack of remorse and lack of insight into the danger of his criminally negligent conduct, he remains a danger to the community," they added.

Murray was held criminally negligent in the June 2009 death of the "Thriller" singer after admitting giving him the powerful anesthetic propofol and sedatives as a sleep aid. He did not testify at trial and denied culpability.

Murray asked in January to be released on bail or put under house arrest until his appeal is heard, saying that a hearing could take over a year.

The judge in the case will hear arguments from both sides on Friday. - Reuters

source: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...tors-want-michael-jackson-doctor-kept-in-jail
 
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Murray is insane and it just ticks me of that this man even got close to MJ...
 
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Dr. Conrad Murray just filed legal docs in which he claims his manslaughter conviction should be overturned, on grounds that the judge should have allowed him to prove ... Michael Jackson was so stressed out over his financial woes ... he recklessly rolled the dice by self-administering a fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray is responding to the D.A.'s claims that he should stay in jail pending appeal because the grounds for challenging the conviction are bogus.

Murray makes a number of arguments, but the most interesting is the section titled, "Financial Condition of Michael Jackson." Murray's lawyers put it this way: "Mr. Jackson was in debt approximately $440 million and desperately needed to fulfill a contractual commitment at the O2 arena in London."

The lawyers go on: "He was on the verge of losing his entire estate to foreclosure. The pressure to fight through his insomnia, to rehearse and be the entertainer he was in his earlier years was overwhelming."

And then the lawyers bring it home: "His motivation and resulting desperation were relevant to show a likelihood or reason to act in a manner inconsistent with good judgment."

The lawyers believe it was an error for the judge to exclude evidence of MJ's financial desperation.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/22/dr-co...kson-appeal-stress-financial/#comments-anchor
 
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I guess Conrad didn't hear that Mike's fingerprints were not on anything in that room.. and once again he is not taking responsibility so Pastor will be even more pissed at him for continuing to blame the victim
 
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Their stupidity is astounding, for a supposed Medical professional. They need to stop flogging a dead horse. The premise of this claim, that Michael was responsible for his death, was heard and debated to death in court. the Jury and the Judge were firm and right in their decision, that no matter what Michael's circumstances were, Murray was and still is responsible for his death. Namely, for abandoning his patient, for hanging on the phone while he should be monitoring him, not having the necessery equipment, not following the protocol in an emergency situation, for gross negligence and for lying and deceiving.
 
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Self injection theory .... It was disproved in court. I guess Murray and his lawyers missed that part.
 
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Dr. Conrad Murray just filed legal docs in which he claims his manslaughter conviction should be overturned, on grounds that the judge should have allowed him to prove ... Michael Jackson was so stressed out over his financial woes ... he recklessly rolled the dice by self-administering a fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray is responding to the D.A.'s claims that he should stay in jail pending appeal because the grounds for challenging the conviction are bogus.

Murray makes a number of arguments, but the most interesting is the section titled, "Financial Condition of Michael Jackson." Murray's lawyers put it this way: "Mr. Jackson was in debt approximately $440 million and desperately needed to fulfill a contractual commitment at the O2 arena in London."

The lawyers go on: "He was on the verge of losing his entire estate to foreclosure. The pressure to fight through his insomnia, to rehearse and be the entertainer he was in his earlier years was overwhelming."

And then the lawyers bring it home: "His motivation and resulting desperation were relevant to show a likelihood or reason to act in a manner inconsistent with good judgment."

The lawyers believe it was an error for the judge to exclude evidence of MJ's financial desperation.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/22/dr-co...kson-appeal-stress-financial/#comments-anchor

In which case, Murray should have been getting Michael some real help instead of shooting him up with Propofol. Self injected? (is absurd) Oh oops who had all these drugs? Who wasn't monitoring his patient? It falls back to the doctor in charge no matter which way you slice it. And this was all proved in court, but Murray was asleep. And to this I say "You Can't Win"
 
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Murray is scum
 
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Sounds to me Murrary hasn't gotten used to his new address, "Men's Central Jail" I wonder if he has gotten all of his teeth punched out yet? Anywho, I'm certaily glad to know he is in good hands.

Throw the dog a bone and let him chew on it for a while. Creep Murrary.
 
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Well, appeals are standard procedure, but I honestly don't see much hope for this one. Even the argumentation is half-hearted and not really convincing, viewing things objectively and not through "MJ fan" glasses. I have a feeling they know that, and are just going through the motions.

I don't see it happening, the trial was very fair and financial desperation in itself does not prove their hypothesis of self-injection. It's useless speculation which cannot be proven, and even if all of that were true, Murray was the one who injected and then left, the one who's lied to police, hospital staff, paramedics, and probably his own legal defence as well. If there truly is no guilt, why all the lies? 'Da Troot' shall win its day in court, after all, right?

Plenty of people with dire financial issues [who do not have any assets whatsoever, unlike Michael] abstain from doing reckless things, and Michael himself has no prior history of doing reckless things. If any such history existed, they would have a halfway plausible reason to believe he would exhibit such behaviour, but he's been under greater stressors before (1993, 2005 for example) and has kept himself safe. Therefore, I really do not see it.
 
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They need to stop flogging a dead horse. The premise of this claim, that Michael was responsible for his death, was heard and debated to death in court. the Jury and the Judge were firm and right in their decision, that no matter what Michael's circumstances were, Murray was and still is responsible for his death. Namely, for abandoning his patient, for hanging on the phone while he should be monitoring him, not having the necessery equipment, not following the protocol in an emergency situation, for gross negligence and for lying and deceiving.



Personally, I agree. And it's not like Murray didn't know that there was propofol in the house or inject Michael with it to even start with. Quite the contrary, according to testimony, Murray brought that stuff in the house and even had some stored at his lady's house. The fact that he even gave Michael the propofol against what should have been his better judgement shows me that he does have some responsibility here. I've never heard of a doctor being allowed to blame a patient for their own death with the doctor just a short distance away from the patient especially if the doctor should have been monitoring said patient to begin with and the doctor still being let go like it doesn't matter. In fact, any other doctor would be thrown in jail over something like this with no excuses heard. Didn't the judge already say that Murray's finances could be brought up in the trial if the defense were going to talk about Michael's finances? I mean, geez. Why shouldn't Murray be held responsible for plain neglecting his duties as a doctor, leaving Michael alone like that and not at least calling anybody upstairs to watch him if Murray really had to leave the room? There were people in the house who could have helped him and kept an eye on Michael while Murray was away. There was absolutely no reason at all for Michael to be left by himself in that kind of condition without any monitoring equipment. And with Murray's other patients talking about him like he was all "Angel on Earth", then surely he knew better than to handle a medical situation in this manner. But yet, he's still trying to play this dumb pity-party game with the court, in my opinion.
 
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In which case, Murray should have been getting Michael some real help instead of shooting him up with Propofol. Self injected? (is absurd) Oh oops who had all these drugs? Who wasn't monitoring his patient? It falls back to the doctor in charge no matter which way you slice it. And this was all proved in court, but Murray was asleep. And to this I say "You Can't Win"

I guess Conrad didn't hear that Mike's fingerprints were not on anything in that room..


I agree with all of this.
 
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And didn't the judge already say that Murray's finances could be brought up in the trial if the defense were going to talk about Michael's finances. I mean, geez.

The judge did indeed wanted the trial to concentrate only relevant issues and last days, and he denied defence request to
bring in Michael's financial records. Defence seem to forget that judge also denied prosecutor request to show Murray's
financial problems as well as his shenanigans with various girlfriends. If I remember correctly, during pretrial when Bridget Morgan testified, there were something damaging to Murray that judge didn't allow to be heard in trial.
They can't have they way only, if Michael's financial situation is brought in, so should Murray's too, and his girlfriends (all of them+wife).

Sociopath Murray and loopy defence team is doing my head in:angry:
 
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Murray kept telling folks that Mike was fine and healthy and he even told Kenny to not play armchair psychologist or doctor. Maybe Murray should've gotten Mike some real help insteading of pumping him up with loads of sedatives and propofol
 
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I agree with Severus, this appeal is not going anywhere, or I'm missing something.

Just based on facts from the trial : Murray's theory is based on the self injection theory, which was clearly disproved during the trial. Based on the autopsy report and the analysis the experts did, Michael died while he was on a drip. Propofol kept coming into his body after he stopped breathing. The toxicology report showed he received something around 1000g or 2000mg propofol, definitely NOT the 50 mg Murray talked about. I can't figure out how Michael could have done that to himself.

By his own admission, in the documentary, Murray said he was in another room, during 40mn.
His phone records show he was on the phone, during 45mn, actually talking to people, who all testified, when he realised Michael was in trouble. There was no real monitoring equipment. Michael was alone, not monitored.

What else do we need ? Even if there was another trial, Murray would be convicted again.

Add to this the countless lies, the 20mn delay to call 911.

Now if they bring up Michael's finances, what point would they make ? Michael was under stress, that's clear he was, he couldn't sleep ...Now was his stress due to his finances, the upcoming tour, there could be a lot of reasons, we don't know that, Murray doesn't either, only Michael knew.

If they bring up Murray's finances, will that help Murray ? No, it would be the opposite. It would bring up his 7 kids, unpaid child support, gifts to his girlfriends instead of paying his child support.

The only reason I can think of for doing this is to prepare the future : Murray and his lawyers are still in the media, claiming his innocence. Then when he has done his time, he will try to sell his "story". That's why a huge restitution was needed, and we know what happened to it.... Right now, I can't think of another reason for an appeal.
 
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I'm looking forward to hearing eloquent words from a judge who's gonna have to strike the balance between Murray's right to appeal and saying in a dignified manner that hell can freeze over before Murray is dictating him the conditions of being released. How lovely of him being 'willing' to wear an electronic monitoring device.

My God, the nerve. Judge Pastor made it quite clear already that the total lack of remorse and even the utter absence of conscience of having anything to do with Michael's death was already the deciding factor why probation was denied. (I know... different construction zone, but nonetheless the Judge wasn't reaction too kindly to essentially demands and request that simply cannot be met with Murray's total refusal to man up)

Give it up, Murray, you won't change HIStory books by insisting you had nothing to do with it.
And if he files 20 appeals with the delusional goal of having something 'stick' in the mass subconscious of all of us with these ridiculous statements. I'm starting to think he's only filing this because his license hinges on a reversal of a guilty verdict- and because he knows that newspapers all around the world do print his delusional statements that somehow are supposed to anchor that he's the mistreated scapegoat who isn't guilty of anything. It feels akin to using his own lost court case as PR in the hopes that something will stick with the public.

It won't= no matter how vehemently he will maintain his 'innocence'- he will always be listed as the man convicted of the manslaughter of Michael J. Jackson.
 
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[h=6]Reflections On The Dance, An Honest Look at Michael Joseph Jackson
[/h][h=6]I spoke to Tom Mesereau today about tomorrow's Murray hearing and the fans' concerns over this. Here is what Tom said "It's up to the judge's discretion and given the judges' comments in the past, I don't think it will happen (Murray being let out on bail)". Mr. Mesereau also mentioned that the premise will probably be to try to get Murray out until the appeals go to court.[/h]
 
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Murray knew full well what he was doing was dangerous-all doctors know the repercussions of using a drug like propofol and for him to say mjs "stress" is to blame for mjs death is stupid
 
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Dr. Conrad Murray's GF
Please Release Him ... He's a Good Dad


Dr. Conrad Murray's girlfriend is begging the court to let him out of jail pending his appeal ... claiming he's a "good father" to their toddler.

Nicole Alvarez filed a declaration of support for Murray today ... in which she says if Murray is released he will live with her and their 2-year-old son in Santa Monica.

It's not the most powerful or emotional letter. Alvarez says, "Dr. Murray is the father of my child" -- and adds ... he "has been our primary source of support."

It's unclear how much support Murray can provide now -- considering his medical license has been revoked.

Murray's hearing for bail pending appeal of his manslaughter conviction is scheduled for tomorrow morning in downtown L.A.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/23/conrad-murray-nicole-alvarez-bail-hearing/
 
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