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Adele's '21' overtakes Michael Jackson in the all-time biggest selling albums chart-United Kingdom

Good for Adele...I find some of her music a tad boring, but I do love some of her hits...I think she has an incredible voice, and I do feel the emotion and soul in her voice....It's nice to see a woman of great talent top the charts, thank God it wasn't someone like Katy Perry, Rhianna, or Lady Gaga..
 
and how much from this 4 mio are physical sales? ^^
most album and singles, singles much more, are download sales.
download albums are much cheaper.

she have good songs. the album is good. but not one of the greatest albums.
 
claudiadoina said:
For me she is not soulful nor lovable.I said it's just me.

As for soulfulness and being lovable my standard is Michael, sorry for that, I know it's not fair.

For my taste her voice is too rough and I don't "feel" her songs.He's 21-22 but she is not convincing me when singing about love.Michael convinced me at 9 years old singing about being in love and suffering from love :)

But even comparing her to the other 2000 artists I can't tell she is too special.I am more into Katie Melua , not so far , 2006 I think, she was the best selling female artist in UK.For me she is soulful and lovable and made me wanna buy her CD's and live concerts.
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In the end deeming someone "Loveable" is completely subjective and falls on the opinion of the person. Im sure many people find Adele loveable, definitely the people who likewise have created and shared a forum devoted to Adele.

I think that this is only going to cause some fans to begin making snarky comments against someone who's done nothing wrong except become massively popular. (not talking about you though!)

Even then, she's still not even a quarter as successful as Michael was and continues to be in his career.
 
the only reason Michaels name was brought up, he is in 9th place and she outsold him. If Elton john was 9th, he would have been brought up. Nothing more. it's not to draw attentions to the article. i's just Adele outsold one of the greater singers/bands. In few moths it going to say "Adele's 21 overtakes Dire Straits or Pink Floyd".

Why they didn't note it when she outsold Queen? well between MJ and Queen is only few thousend. she problably pass them both in a week at once. Just an coincidence, that she entered the top10 and placed her self right in front Michael.

AAAAnnndddd again, fans see it as treat to Michael archivements and start with comments like "well, thats only in UK, WW shes not even in blablabla". You don't grant anyone something, even you say you do. Same was with Kety Perry few months ago.

Yeah, that definately proves the relevants, thats is discussed in the other thread. :smilerolleyes:

One day he'll be passed by with almost everything, beside Thriller. that would be the darkest day of you're life i guess. :)))))))))) (sorry)


Good for her, she deserves it. Great voice good album.

Another funny thing, in US and UK no.1 are GH albums. to me its king of sad the best of's, which don't take any work to be made, outsold albums, that are greater and full of work.
 
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claudiadoina said:
She is not soulful at all, anyway I can't feel like she is.She just sings a bit better.And she is not lovable.
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^^Well based on the post above that showed what she said about Michael, she can't be that lovable. Glad that her talent is recognized though.For me she is not soulful nor lovable.I said it's just me.

Claudiadoina your post :--As for soulfulness and being lovable my standard is Michael, sorry for that, I know it's not fair.

For my taste her voice is too rough and I don't "feel" her songs.He's 21-22 but she is not convincing me when singing about love.Michael convinced me at 9 years old singing about being in love and suffering from love

But even comparing her to the other 2000 artists I can't tell she is too special.I am more into Katie Melua , not so far , 2006 I think, she was the best selling female artist in UK.For me she is soulful and lovable and made me wanna buy her CD's and live concerts.

^^I think I understand what you are saying here. To your taste and ears you do not find her soulful and you have examples of what you are talking about. That is OK. To me, every one will not appreciate another's music in the same way and will not be moved by it in the same way. Your feelings and taste are your own. That is why we have differences in the world. It is OK for some to feel soulfulness in her music and enjoy it while at the same time others are left unmoved.
 
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Petrarose said:
^^Well based on the post above that showed what she said about Michael, she can't be that lovable. Glad that her talent is recognized though.For me she is not soulful nor lovable.I said it's just me.
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Petrarose, did you watch that adele video or just read the post? I actually thought the post gave a really unfair biassed view of what she said about mj. She said she loved 'jacko' - common nickname for him in the uk and not necessarily perjorative as unless you've watched that barbara walter's interview and visit fan boards i'm not sure how you wd know he was so upset by it. She said that his act would prob be one of best live acts ever and as for her comments about the 50 concerts, i actually read into that some concern for him coming from a fellow performer. She seems like a grounded, nice person trying desperately not to let fame take her over.

Lom kat - i guarantee there won't be any headlines saying adele has overtaken dire straits or pink floyd - the next headline will be adele overtaking thriller. This record that has just been made - adele breaking into the top 10 all time uk chart - cd quite easily be headlined adele pushes madonna (no 11) out of top 10 - but they didn't, mj brings attention.
 
lom kit said:
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AAAAnnndddd again, fans see it as treat to Michael archivements and start with comments like "well, thats only in UK, WW shes not even in blablabla". You don't grant anyone something, even you say you do. Same was with Kety Perry few months ago.
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I don't get that, either. I have never heard Michael say that other musicians don't have a right to exist next to him etc. He mentored countless people- if he was that narrow minded, he would not have mentored a single person out of fear someone might actually be a 'threat' to himself. And that would be very UNLIKE Michael. Michael loved success, I'm not being naive. But he wasn't stuck in Kindergarten, either.
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Has it occured to someone that perhaps MJs name is not being "USED" to sell a paper- but that MJ is the total BENCHMARK? That's nothing to be upset about.
That's more like an honor since "Michael Jackson" stands for something exquisite in the music world. Instead of bemoaning that MJ's name is being 'used'- celebrate since Michael's name forever stands with success- sustained success that everyone else is being measured against.

That's something incredibly positive- not something that deserves whining and moaning.
 
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^^If they did say Adele overtakes Madonna/Elton John or Queen, do you really would have notice? No ,you won't have, cause you're Mj fan and that news won't bother you. but as a fan we instanlty think is to brought attention with his name. like the article says "she has cemented her place among the all-time greats" And it happened to be Mj right behind her. Of course there won't be no headline nextime when she beats pink floyd or dire straits. the next going to be when she enters the top3. Ohh and see again MJ is right behing her. the only attention mj brings is to us. doubt someone else is thinking his name is mentioned just to draw attention.

About her not been not soulful nor lovable. that album is about broken love and relashionship. if you are in such time or had unhappy love behind you, those songs would address you alot. the songs scream what you're heart is going trough that period of time or what you're thinking or want to say.
 
Bonnie Blue said:
Lom kat - i guarantee there won't be any headlines saying adele has overtaken dire straits or pink floyd - the next headline will be adele overtaking thriller. This record that has just been made - adele breaking into the top 10 all time uk chart - cd quite easily be headlined adele pushes madonna (no 11) out of top 10 - but they didn't, mj brings attention.
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Exactly. The media have been playing this game for long, you have to be pretty blind not to realize that pattern. It's not about whether someone likes or doesn't like Adele (to me she's neutral), it's that the media always has to make a big hype out of it if someone breaks some record that Michael held, no matter how insignificant. In this case it wasn't even a record. It wasn't the Nr 1 album in the UK, it wasn't even MJ's Nr 1 album in the UK, it was Nr 8. So what's so big deal about it that they have to make headlines out of it (and somewhat misleading headlines at that)?

I understand what Pace,MioDolceCuore says that it sould be taken as an "honor" but to me that's not what this pattern indicates. There was nothing honoring in what the media did with the Katy Perry record, for example. They used it to belittle Michael. They wrote articles claiming that Bad actually wasn't any better than Perry's album...

And since Perry was brought up by Lom Kit, I think that's pretty different to Adele's case since Perry has actively done desperate gimmicks to achieve that record. And not only MJ fans found that pathetic.
 
respect77 said:
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I understand what Pace,MioDolceCuore says that it sould be taken as an "honor" but to me that's not what this pattern indicates. There was nothing honoring in what the media did with the Katy Perry record, for example. They used it to belittle Michael. They wrote articles claiming that Bad actually wasn't any better than Perry's album...

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See, I actually will not do these kinds of 'critics' the honor and actually that so much BS to heart. I won't. I rather buy another Bad album as a gift and stick it to them this way.

I actually stopped making myself miserable by handing my emotions to such clowns on a silver platter. If they want to embarrass themselves by writing such nonsense- they are the fools, I enjoy Bad. And people like that enjoy being swarmed on their websites with 500 MJ fans screaming in cap locks.

Michael is being talked about because he is relevant, I don't think he ever let some critic stop him from doing his thing. Being that big a name in the industry comes with a lot of narrow minded people.

I rather focus on the big ticket stuff- you know, when someone rewrites history when it comes to the trial. Someone's irrelevant mutterings in music don't bother me, that's being done to many of the greats. Almost all great works in music history had some tiny nobody who tried to attach themselves to it through nonsense. And they all fell by the wayside and the music and their artist survived historically.

There is a certain kind of mental twisting that I personally do not reward anymore with even more attention by going to their websites and telling the author off. I just don't anymore.
 
lom kit said:
^^If they did say Adele overtakes Madonna/Elton John or Queen, do you really would have notice? No ,you won't have, cause you're Mj fan and that news won't bother you. but as a fan we instanlty think is to brought attention with his name. like the article says "she has cemented herplace among the all-time greats" And it happened to be Mj right behind her. Of course there won't be no headline nextime when she beats pink floyd or dire straits. the next going to be when she enters the top3. Ohh and see again MJ is right behing her. the only attention mj brings is to us. doubt someone else is thinking his name is mentioned just to draw attention.
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That's not true. If MJ's name would bring only our attention to the matter then they would not have used his name in the headline and certainly not in such a misleading and sensationalist way. Then they would have written headlines like "Adele's '21' is in the Top 10 in the UK now" or something like that. The headline of the article is this: "Adele overtakes Michael Jackson in all-time biggest selling albums chart". Since virtually everybody knows of Michael's record with Thriller I do call this headline sensationalist and deliberately misleading.
 
respect77 said:
I understand what Pace,MioDolceCuore says that it sould be taken as an "honor" but to me that's not what this pattern indicates. There was nothing honoring in what the media did with the Katy Perry record, for example. They used it to belittle Michael. They wrote articles claiming that Bad actually wasn't any better than Perry's album...
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I understand your point, i think we're all super sensitive re prejudice v mj in the media. But like pace, i do see it as some type of compliment when the only records that seem to matter are if they concern mj, even if it is an unconscious compliment. You could see it in the articles on adele, you've really arrived on the music scene if you're challenging mj iconic albums. I think it was just that one mean spirited article comparing teenage dream and bad that was questionable.

We need to be careful what we wish for - no mentions at all of mj when talking about the current music scene.
 
Bonnie Blue said:
I think it was just that one mean spirited article comparing teenage dream and bad that was questionable.
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I actually read two articles like that. One where they compared the two albums song by song and lo and behold they brought out Perry's album as the winner! And then another one which argued for Bad not being that great after all.

I know it's stupid and fans actually should just ignore these articles. But I'm not the one bringing these type of articles on this board. If someone does then we naturally react to that.
 
respect77 said:
I actually read two articles like that. One where they compared the two albums song by song and lo and behold they brought out Perry's album as the winner! And then another one which argued for Bad not being that great after all.

I know it's stupid and fans actually should just ignore these articles. But I'm not the one bringing these type of articles on this board. If someone does then we naturally react to that.
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It is a shame to see in the work of an artist the limitations of his critics. Robert Brault
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When I abuse the language, I call it 'art' and call myself an artist; when you abuse the language, I call it 'wrong,' call myself a critic, and assume an air of unimpeachable authority. Fennec A. Churl
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^^^Precisely why I refuse to give these people my uproar. Seriously, Bad mediocre? Millions of people around the globe thought differently, he can go packing, there's no cure for bad taste. :wild:

The amazing thing is that people get all hyped about stuff like this on the board- and when Joe Vogel did a Q & A session, you could scrape the questions together in a small bag. That's amazing.
 
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@respect
If that makes you feel better, ok. :ciao:
And I have another pattern for you. Everytime something that Michael was leading or had a record, it's been broken, you guys act like pathetic little kids.

Start to bias about the person that passed Michael with he/she isn't globaly big, not that talented like Michael, d/l are easily to physical sales, you don't need tities to sell real talent, he/she said bad things about Michael now we hate her/him and on and on and on....
Like all has taken away from him and now he isn't the one he was or the meanig of his archivements are irrelevant.
And YOU argue with me how relevant Michael is/was now. I understand now where this comes and why.

And one other thing, you all act like "ohhh, do they have to bring his name, everytime....... (*rolleyes*)". If they don't talk/mention about him, you'll say he was forgotten. You don't know what you want. And don't start "no I don't think he is forgoten" and bring all the same nonesense you guys do.

Step from that "the media is only about sensationalism 'games' (as you say)" down. Of course ist about that, what else? who else is going to read it? enjoy that still youngsters are compared with MJ.
that you don't like the person or think he isn't "talented" enough, doesn't matter. don't see it as insult to Michael.
Like I said, such dark days will come often, get use to it.


If that hurts some of you, PaceMioDolceCuore discribe it in nice way.
 
Ahem, I do not agree with bashing Respect under the "you all" banner. I've read enough from Respect to actually RESPECT Respect. I've never seen Respect descent into one of those "Lisa-Marie Presley exists only to hurt us MJ fans" threads, so I would be rather cautious to paint with extremely broad strokes. Not fair. Calling everyone an idiot in a big roundabout swoop is unfair to all those who contribute a lot of thought on this board- I have learned a number of great facts- and Respect is one of them.

And Respect actually doesn't refer to all media as evil and is more than capable of giving credit where credit is due- as happened here on the board.

I can't stand seeing people bashed.

I'm annoyed, too, with certain threads and the way to seem to go, but I don't think my day went bad enough today to be bashing everyone. If everyone was so horrible, I'd be a real hypocrite to be even spending time on MJJC.

It's quite possible to disagree with someone in a polite manner without labeling them an idiot for the sheer fact of being of an opposing opinion.

Fans hate ad hominem attacks on Michael- extend the same courtesy to fellow fans.
 
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This is a very interesting conversation. I'll say one thing and that is Michael is relevant. All his music is relevant. As many stated here the fact that they are using Michael as a benchmark confirms this. The music business occurs in such a way where artists are directed in a certain path and in some cases it's not their own. Many people in the business today have stated that Michael is one of their influences and so to be compared with him has to be exciting for them. Sorry to get off topic. My point is the media and critics have always been less then kind to any artist who are creative and are a genius such as Michael. The fans and even some non-fans know the quality and creative artistry that was Michael's music. The critics and media only talk positive about whomever the music companies and executives are promoting at the time. It is a business. It's those artists who carve their own path that usually do not get recognized in a positive way. Ok I guess I said more then one thing. :)
 
lom kit said:
@respect
If that makes you feel better, ok. :ciao:
And I have another pattern for you. Everytime something that Michael was leading or had a record, it's been broken, you guys act like pathetic little kids.

Start to bias about the person that passed Michael with he/she isn't globaly big, not that talented like Michael, d/l are easily to physical sales, you don't need tities to sell real talent, he/she said bad things about Michael now we hate her/him and on and on and on....
Like all has taken away from him and now he isn't the one he was or the meanig of his archivements are irrelevant.
And YOU argue with me how relevant Michael is/was now. I understand now where this comes and why.


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I didn't call you pathetic, so you can stop with that too. I also didn't say I hate Adele, so you are erecting straw-men here. I criticized the sensationalist headlines, not Adele, and I stick to that.
And if there are people who say they don't like her, well they have the right not to like her without being called pathetic, nonsense and other names by you. There were also people who said in this thread they liked her. I myself am neutral about her. So why are you generalizing?

And YOU argue with me how relevant Michael is/was now. I understand now where this comes and why.
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Oh, so that's it?! The discussion we had in the other thread. The problem is that discussion about relevance was a totally different one and you said in that thread that you don't like that Michael - according to you - didn't do enough new stuff in his tours and according to you that's why he wasn't relevant. And I argued that has nothing to do with relevance at all, since his tours were always popular and successful and if he didn't do enough new stuff that certainly didn't cause him to become irrelevant as the ticket sales for TII show. You didn't answer anything to that in that thread but now you bring up that discussion here as if it is somehow related to this topic. :smilerolleyes:

And one other thing, you all act like "ohhh, do they have to bring his name, everytime....... (*rolleyes*)". If they don't talk/mention about him, you'll say he was forgotten. You don't know what you want. And don't start "no I don't think he is forgoten" and bring all the same nonesense you guys do.
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You don't know what I would say so again you are erecting straw men.

Like I said, such dark days will come often, get use to it.
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How do you know?

If that hurts some of you, PaceMioDolceCuore discribe it in nice way.
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PaceMioDolceCuore will speak for himself and you can speak for yourself, I hope.
 
@respect
the only two sentence that was related to you were "if it makes you happy" and about the relevance arguing. the rest was directed to all. I even bold the ALL for you.
the bashing of other artist was directed to all. how many see it as bad thing that his name is used, was directed to all and I don't need to know what you'll say.


And again, here we have it, picking up on the things you don't like, without trying to get it.
It's the behaviour you ALL have when such articles come out.
And i mention the other thread, just cause i understood why you argue like that.
To me you (respect77) are picky about every word and always "I... I... I..." even if the argument is directed to all. I didn't say anything about hating Adele, but the hating in general of other artist.
If I have to refer every one what he said, the post would be tripple as londg and takes time.

@pacemio
i mentioned you, cause you worded nicely how most here react on such articles. not that you are been offensive like i was.
 
lom kit said:
@respect
the only two sentence that was related to you were "if it makes you happy" and about the relevance arguing. the rest was directed to all. I even bold the ALL for you.
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And that's exactly the problem: you are generalizing and try to lecture "ALL".
 
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But there are appropriate ways to voice your opinion or disapproval without all that.
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Lets stay on topic please
 
All people are saying here is that the way the media do things is not right. Their headlines are misleading and it's annoying. That's anyone's opinion to have. I can handle someone passing Michael in sales and the issue is not about Adele. Sales of people go up and down and charts change.
 
Wow, it's a great album, but it won't be remembered as BAD is remembered no matter how much it goes on to sell, having said that I do love Adele.
 
One thing we should all agree is that we are Michael Jackson fans first and foremost, so to hell with all the others.
Michael is the king!!!
 
Congrats to Adele!

Guys, seriously, calm down. MJ's records will be broken sooner or later. That's just the nature of records. IT DOESN'T MATTER, at least not anymore.

i believe Adele's 21 is a remarkable achievement. And I do hope that she continues making excellent music.
 
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