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Well, if they made an album of all 12 then at least we wouldn't have to worry about those songs being put together with real ones.
Well, if they made an album of all 12 then at least we wouldn't have to worry about those songs being put together with real ones.
For the record, I want to stress this.
I was just looking through the older pages (when this thread was a mere child in the 500/600 pages) and I saw, and sometimes continue to see, people blaming Sony Music for the release of the Cascio tracks. People fail to realize that the Estate of Michael Jackson provides the songs that shall be released. Sony doesn't pick. Sony is only the "releasers" and the "promoters".
That's what they wanted. I don't know which would have been worse.
It was Sony who purchased the songs, specifically it was John Doelp who negotiated the deal. Both Sony and the estate decided together to go forward with the songs following a crisis meeting in Miami on November 9th 2010. That ridiculous statement was the result of that meeting. Blame for such a stupid decision lay equally with both the estate and Sony.
So the Estate paid them nothing? Sony paid all the millions of dollars, or 50-50?
3 - all 12 songs are already available.
Just very low quality snippets.
Wow, how cool that the division among MJ fans it's entertaining to some people...
I must say, I am amazed at what has happened due to this. MJ fans used to be united, we used to fight for things (and I still do occasionally see that elsewhere). We all get together when some news reporter or celebrity makes some unfair remark (and at times we get results), but it's like some people don't even care to fight this - something much bigger than anything else we would have to fight.
What's wrong - is Sony too big of a company?
I can't understand it either. It's so sad to see people blindly supporting this fraud, despite all the damage it did to the fan base and the absolute insult it was to Michael. Fans fight among each other over silly politics but what they need to do is stand together and demand answers. I think the problem for many is that people can throw anything at Michael yet the music is sacred, so they just can't accept that such a thing could have happened: ie Eddie Cascio used a soundalike to record songs that Michael didn't live to record, which is basically what happened. They simply refuse to even entertain the idea. I can understand that to an extent. I hate what happened, but I'm not going to lie to myself and pretend these songs are Michael when it is blatantly obvious to most that they aren't. Although I don't think we need to be looking at Sony. Were they negligent and incompetent? Yes, so were the estate. But they didn't instigate this. It was the greed and arrogance of Eddie Cascio and co that started all this. It is also sad that people feel the need to come in here and mock us for wanting answers. In fact it's really rather pathetic.
I can't understand it either. It's so sad to see people blindly supporting this fraud, despite all the damage it did to the fan base and the absolute insult it was to Michael. Fans fight among each other over silly politics but what they need to do is stand together and demand answers. I think the problem for many is that people can throw anything at Michael yet the music is sacred, so they just can't accept that such a thing could have happened: ie Eddie Cascio used a soundalike to record songs that Michael didn't live to record, which is basically what happened. They simply refuse to even entertain the idea. I can understand that to an extent. I hate what happened, but I'm not going to lie to myself and pretend these songs are Michael when it is blatantly obvious to most that they aren't. Although I don't think we need to be looking at Sony. Were they negligent and incompetent? Yes, so were the estate. But they didn't instigate this. It was the greed and arrogance of Eddie Cascio and co that started all this. It is also sad that people feel the need to come in here and mock us for wanting answers. In fact it's really rather pathetic.
Hmm. I know people were anticipating the album for a long time but was that really based on anything official? I remember that there was a poster here who claimed to have a source at Sony and who kept saying that the album would be announced every other week and all sorts of other things that, as far as I know, never turned out to be true. Was the anticipation based on more than just speculation amongst fans?^^ No, I remember in like, July we were anticipating it....We waited til November for..........that...
Hmm. I know people were anticipating the album for a long time but was that really based on anything official? I remember that there was a poster here who claimed to have a source at Sony and who kept saying that the album would be announced every other week and all sorts of other things that, as far as I know, never turned out to be true. Was the anticipation based on more than just speculation amongst fans?
Why in the meeting that was held, where they all argued about it, weren't they all just like "Well, we don't need to debate this... here's audio of him speaking of the songs, his handwriting on lyric sheets, etc."
If they have evidence like they claimed they did. However, that reminds me. They have evidence he recorded the songs yet still needed to do all these checks just to make sure. That they had to go through the whole "audio forensics" thing says to me that there is NO real valid evidence that he recorded the songs. They probably didn't even investigate the authenticity of the other songs because the evidence was already there and quite clear that it's Michael singing.
So that means at least Teddy and Eddie lied, I think, because it just makes no sense whatsoever that there is evidence he recorded the songs. They had to go through all the trouble of researching into them and even contacting Jason's agent or whoever? The evidence must have been so overwhelming! *eyeroll
I think there must have been a rush to get this project done(in time for the Holiday's or something) and Sony didn't want to waste money waiting any longer. They probably didn't even do audio forensics, they probably just had their presidents and managers listen and agree and sign a meaningless paper.
I don't know, it seems like maybe if they would have waited a little longer on the project, thought it through more, handled it with more caution and respect, they would have decided not to include the controversial Cascio songs and we'd have a better "Michael" album. But it always comes down to $$$money$$$, right?
Your spot on. The only evidence is the 12 recordings themselves. No notes, no out takes, nothing. Just 12 songs saved in ProTools, sold to Sony with the adlibs and pasted words intact. Breath after breath is pasted in too. Absolutely shameful. The only investigation they did were two phone calls from the estate to Thad Nauden, Jason's manager, and one from John Doelp to him. Nobody ever saw the results of any alleged forensic analysis. Before the 8th November when Breaking News streamed, nobody on the inside had heard anything about these so called tests, then all of a sudden, on November 10th, that statement comes out saying they had done these tests. Pure nonsense. There were indeed a lot of arguments behind the scenes, even Teddy Riley protested the songs in that listening session. But he knew in the end he had to go along with Sony if he wanted the job. Remember he had previously filed for bankruptcy. Nobody in that meeting said that they were certain it was Michael. All they said was "it sounds like it could be him", which was enough for them to move forward. They actually raised the issue of all the things that are wrong with the songs, just like we have, such as the vibrato and pronounciation, the lack of any staple MJ habits etc, but it was over ridden by the fact that "it could be him". Everyone in that session signed an NDA before they went in, so they can't say a damn thing after the fact.
All we have is the word of Eddie Cascio that the songs are Michael, and a denial from Jason via his manager. I find it surprising that people actually raise that as a defence, like him denying it must mean he didn't do it. Ridiculous. Then there are the copyright registrations which show that what we hear in the songs now was not ready to be registered until 9 months after Michael's death, with the June 27th registration simply covering the Porte demos.
And again my concern remains unsolved: MJ apparently would have had the time to record 12 songs in a friend's underground amateur studio in a matter of months and not many more songs in his own professional studio in a matter of years despite all the notes he left and projects he had.
kreen;3663825 said:1- The Cascio songs were already written and ready for him to sing : it's one thing to write your own material, it's another to come into a studio and sing a bunch of songs other people have written for you.
2- MJ lived at the Cascio's expenses for months with his kids in tow. One can imagine he felt the least he could to to repay them was agree to sing on a few tracks their son had written.
3- MJ was a musician. What would be a lot more unbelievable was if he had lived in a house with a studio for four months and NOT recorded anything there.
In fact, had no songs been released from the Cascio sessions, a lot of people here would be saying, "Why is the Estate hiding the songs MJ must have recorded in New Jersey? I refuse to believe MJ would not have used a studio for four months in a house he was living in!"'