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Off The Wall 35th Anniversary: What is your wishlist?

IT IS OFFICIAL!!! :bugeyed:bugeyed And, apparently, the title is "Off The Wall 2015", not "Off The Wall 35th".

Sony Music just asked them to remove it:

Due to a formal request on behalf of Michael Jackson’s label, MJ Beats removed the video that was previously shared about the release of ‘Off The Wall 2015’.

The reason we did it is the fact that the material is still unfinished.

We kindly ask the understanding of the fan community to avoid the premature distribution of the video at this time.

We’ll be back shortly with news!
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Prince Of Pop said:
People when will you learn...if it's not on the official Michael Jackson website or from Sony....it's bullshit. Can't believe people fell for a BLATANT bunch of BS.
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I won't lie, I got excited about it, then got a grip when I saw NOTHING resembling anything official from Mike's estate. I don't do bootlegs!
 
Nobody does anniversary packages for albums 35 years old.....25 years, 50 years maybe....but 35? I don't think so. They had their chance with OTW 25 and missed it....same for OTW 30 (for obvious reasons that year :( )

As I said earlier, until OFFICIAL word comes from Sony and not an outside website not connected to Sony, it's not happening.
 
Ok. Ok.
It WAS fake. NOW it's not because the estate and Sony.

So.......













I was just wanting a documentary. Now MJBeats came and did those videos. Don't get me wrong, MJB is amazing. But, now a fake thing becomes a real thing, put this down foe MJ firsts, am I right?
 
So I couldn't sneak away to see what was posted today. Just got glimpses of the forum during the day.
So what did you all see? I'm like Sheila-I don't do bootlegs either but am curious what was shown. Was it anything to do with the doc or footage of OTW or tour or what???
 
Prince Of Pop said:
Nobody does anniversary packages for albums 35 years old.....25 years, 50 years maybe....but 35? I don't think so. They had their chance with OTW 25 and missed it....same for OTW 30 (for obvious reasons that year :( )

As I said earlier, until OFFICIAL word comes from Sony and not an outside website not connected to Sony, it's not happening.
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This isn't an anniversary package - it's simply a commemoration of a classic album.

Re-issues don't need to be centered around anniversaries. Paul McCartney is reissuing his Pipes of Peace album this October, which would mark its thirty-second anniversary. All of George Harrison's albums were remastered and re-released last year.

barbee0715 said:
So I couldn't sneak away to see what was posted today. Just got glimpses of the forum during the day.
So what did you all see? I'm like Sheila-I don't do bootlegs either but am curious what was shown. Was it anything to do with the doc or footage of OTW or tour or what???
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The video explicitly said that there would be "rare and unreleased demos," "remixes of songs from today's hottest artists," and "a new documentary by Spike Lee". No tour (sensibly).
 
The Man said:
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Prince Of Pop said:
Nobody does anniversary packages for albums 35 years old.....25 years, 50 years maybe....but 35?
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Well, The Muppet Movie had a "Nearly 35th Anniversary Edition" cd and dvd. So
*pulls down eyelid and sticks out tounge* neeeeeeeeh
 
that video was hilarious...... but if there's no tour release then that's dumb af, just look at Queen's 1981 Rock Montreal show... personally i think the Triumph Tour introduced Michael's growth of maturity in performing on stage
 
I hope there will be at least a stand alone Cinema/Blu-Ray release in association with The Jackson's.... For the remixes I want Pharrell/Bruno Mars & Daft Punk.... Maybe Ne-Yo and I'd love to see what John Legend could do...
 
respect77 said:
I'm not too thrilled about that. Both Thriller 25 and Bad 25 were a waste of space IMO.
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Im sorry about that too-even tho I like Bruno Mars. I agree about Thriller and Bad25. I didn't buy either one even though I would have loved to have bought a copy of the demos. And the Live Concert. But they didn't sell them separately.

But I have heard the remixes on YouTube and I hear music I love being ruined. No thank you.
 
Zakk said:
that video was hilarious...... but if there's no tour release then that's dumb af, just look at Queen's 1981 Rock Montreal show... personally i think the Triumph Tour introduced Michael's growth of maturity in performing on stage
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No doubt. Off The Wall and the Triumph Tour played a pivotal point in Michael's career. It would be foolish not to include that tour.

barbee0715 said:
Does remixes from today's artists mean like "Thriller 25"??
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Thriller was truly a wasted opportunity.
 
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The estate has been clear in their plans to withhold as much material as possible to prolong the Jackson brand. So let's be realistic - we would be getting the same amount of new songs whether or not the remixes were included. Per the estate's longtime endeavors, the remixes seem to be there just for the sake of commercial viability and public interest - which worked (at least in part) for Thriller25.

The second disc of Bad25 had 23 minutes of open space on it. There was more than enough space to put more music. They made the conscious decision not to do so, which begs the implication that we would have gotten six demos regardless of what came after.

In which case the remixes really aren't hurting anyone or anything.

On a personal level, I don't want to see Bruno Mars anywhere near this project. He's too often called the next Michael Jackson, which couldn't be further from the truth (I would dub him the next Prince). If Pharrell simply must make an appearance, do NOT let him sing on it. And keep Adele, Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc. as far away from Off the Wall as possible.

As far as the tour is concerned, thinking of a cinema release is foolish. That would be a waste of money and would really signify that the Estate truly has no idea what they're doing. The Triumph tour would be light years better than the History tour, but I digress.

Overall the tour is still an unnecessary attachment. It would be more money for the estate to pile onto a project that will not make its budget back. Beyond that, maybe we can start appreciating a project for what it is rather than sitting back and complaining over what it isn't? Michael Jackson fans still get more with one project than Beatles, Elvis, Amy Winehouse and John Lennon fans get with multiple.
 
AlwaysThere said:
On a personal level, I don't want to see Bruno Mars anywhere near this project. He's too often called the next Michael Jackson, which couldn't be further from the truth (I would dub him the next Prince). If Pharrell simply must make an appearance, do NOT let him sing on it. And keep Adele, Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc. as far away from Off the Wall as possible.
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Lol, that made me laugh
 
Who'sBAD said:
Don't get me wrong, MJB is amazing. But, now a fake thing becomes a real thing, put this down foe MJ firsts, am I right?
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Sorry... but they don't need to do "fake". They got Buenos Aires snippets first (leaked later), they got Bremen snippets and also they were at the pre-release of XSCAPE last year. ;D

Why should they need to "fake" it? Come on... :ph34r:
 
I look forward to the unheard demos and tentatively to the documentary (I hope it is better than the Bad 25 docu). Despite its drawbacks I still got a lot of enjoyment out of the Bad 25 project. I hope we get a live concert release this time around too, but if this promo was the real deal I guess that's not happening...

respect77 said:
I'm not too thrilled about that. Both Thriller 25 and Bad 25 were a waste of space IMO.
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Agreed. If this is indeed true it seems they are using the same strategy as for Bad 25. The problem there imo was that they tried to appeal to both hardcore fans and the general public, and in the process ended up not really satisfying either. They release some demos to appeal to fans, but then fill the rest of the disc with remixes that turned most fans off. They try to get attention from the general public by striking a promotional deal with Pepsi, but even many fans who were specifically looking for cans could not find them in stores. In the end they did not manage to reach the general public nor fully satisfy fans.

One thing that does seem like an improvement now is that the OTW docu is released at the same time as the album (or maybe even packaged together). I think the fact that the Bad 25 docu did not come out until months after the release of Bad 25, and also was very difficult to get, was not really well planned. Perhaps they can air it on tv again as well during its release (and then maybe this time add some bonus content on the BluRay/DVD?).

AlwaysThere said:
The second disc of Bad25 had 23 minutes of open space on it. There was more than enough space to put more music. They made the conscious decision not to do so, which begs the implication that we would have gotten six demos regardless of what came after.

In which case the remixes really aren't hurting anyone or anything.
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Even if they only release a limited amount of unheard demos, they could fill the rest of the disc up with demos of the songs that did make the album, alternate takes, perhaps some extended mixes. There's an amazing demo of I Can't Help It that Brad Sundberg plays at his seminars that would make an incredible addition, for instance. Heck, even the original album mixes would be more fitting.

I think they just need to make up their minds whether they want this to be a project for diehards or the general public as well, and plan accordingly. But even if they do want to reach the general public, I do not see why they could not add in demos/alternate takes, etc. A remix might get someone's attention but it's the actual MJ content that people who purchase this will be interested in. I doubt anyone is going to buy a box like this just to get their hands on a remix. If they feel they have to use a remix during the promotion to get some attention then they can always do that seperately, as has always been done with releases. But Michael's work should be central. I'd much prefer it if they use the documentary or an unheard outtake to get attention... It's a celebration of Michael's classic album, it should be his work that gets promoted.
 
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barbee0715 said:
I didn't buy either one even though I would have loved to have bought a copy of the demos. And the Live Concert. But they didn't sell them separately.
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Yes they have.

You can buy the demos individually on iTunes as well as the concert on DVD/iTunes. Even the live album can be bought as an album on iTunes if you go to the Indispensable Collection page. Hasn't been priced like a normal album though as it was never intended to be purchased by itself.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Lol, that made me laugh
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He's a decent producer but as far as singing?

Let's just say there's very few pop singers who can hold their own against Michael, and he isn't one of them :p

SoCav said:
Even if they only release a limited amount of unheard demos, they could fill the rest of the disc up with demos of the songs that did make the album, alternate takes, perhaps some extended mixes. There's an amazing demo of I Can't Help It that Brad Sundberg plays at his seminars that would make an incredible addition, for instance. Heck, even the original album mixes would be more fitting for a release aimed at fans.
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I figure that the term "unheard demos" also encompasses songs that made the album, not solely new material.

Including alternate takes seems superfluous unless there is some sort of drawing point that separates it from the final song (different lyrics). The Beatles' Anthology toys with this idea, but those of my friends who own those compilations tell me that the bulk of them are entirely dispensable, and that the biggest selling point was the unheard material.

Extended mixes wouldn't be a bad idea. There's a place to show off some new vocals. But most folks, whether the general public or the core fan community, will probably be picking this up for the new stuff. New music seems to be Michael's biggest selling point.

I think they just need to make up their minds whether they want this to be a project for diehards or the general public as well, and plan accordingly. But even if they do want to reach the general public, I do not see why they could not add in demos/alternate takes, etc. A remix might get someone's attention but it's the actual MJ content that people who purchase this will be interested in. I doubt anyone is going to buy a box like this just to get their hands on a remix. If they feel they have to use a remix during the promotion to get some attention then they can always do that seperately, as has always been done with releases. But Michael's work should be central. I'd much prefer it if they use the documentary to get attention... It's a celebration of Michael's classic album, it should be his work that gets promoted.
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This is purely speculative, but it seems that the estate is piggybacking off of the surprise critical success of Xscape. And we really can't blame them for that - the Justin Timberlake duet gave Michael the distinction of being the first artist to have a top ten hit in four straight decades. Beyond that, critics mostly shrugged off the demos in favor of the remixes, which several critics collectively hailed as better than Invincible. Such extreme praise would take a toll on anyone. Truth be told, this is probably the route I would find myself attracted to if I were in charge.

But my main point here lies in the idea that remixes are only a real negative if they're compromising the amount of new material we get, and that really doesn't seem to be the case. The estate should put out as much as they possibly can without draining the vault of late '70s material, that goes without saying. But I'm only making this point for those who will argue that the remixes are taking up space where new songs should go.
 
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