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HIStory Tour Discussion - Should it be released? [Merged]

Should HIStory Tour be offically released?

  • Yes, in cinema

    Votes: 13 18.3%

  • Yes, in DVD

    Votes: 44 62.0%

  • Yes, in DVD and cinema

    Votes: 7 9.9%

  • No

    Votes: 7 9.9%
  • Total voters
    71
MattyJam said:
Perhaps the best way to approach the HIStory tour would be to put out a TII-style documentary? That way they could include some live performances from the Royal Brunei show, some rehearsal footage and then footage from the actual tour. It would be a good way to release the footage and skirt around the fact that about 80% of the set was mimed, whereas if they released a full concert from beginning to end, it would probably reflect quite badly on MJ to people who are perhaps unfamiliar with this tour/era of his career.
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The way I see it is this...

Virtually everything MJ did from 1970 onwards was amazing.

His solo album career was very virtually perfect.

Then you have HIstory 'live' which even his most loyal fan base is divided on (and from I see primarily against) so why release it?

I would say artistically from his solo adult career it was perfect with only this tour, the 2001 MSG shows and half of Invincible being under par.
 
MattyJam said:
Well, you know how I feel about Invincible, but I would agree with you on the other two, especially MSG. Although I did enjoy the whole theatrical element of the HWT. But I would argue that both the Triumph tour, the Victory tour and Ghosts warrant a DVD release before deciding what to do with HWT.
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Jesus, are you following me? Get a life.

Exactly, there is so much more to show before we start looking at History 'live'.

Bloody hell, give me Ghosts on DVD first. Possibly the most unknown and under appreciated piece he ever did.
 
^^ I'm in favor of that. I would honestly focus on Royal Brunei entirely.

Tony R said:
Of course he would sound amazing! He was miming to his CDs some of which were recorded 25 years earlier!!
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This is one of my biggest points. The Off the Wall Medley looked absolutely horrendous. A 38-year-old man miming to vocals he recorded when he was 20 is just sad.
 
MattyJam said:
Yeah, someone should've told him that was a terrible idea. It was one step away from miming I Want You Back from the original J5 version.
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Michael did remove it from the 1997 leg of the tour, so maybe even he realized that it was a bad idea
 
Another embarrassing moment from the HIStory Tour was seeing the backing vocalists lip syncing to Michael's album vocals on Stranger In Moscow
 
MattyJam said:
I remember my parents watching it and my mum said: "Wow, those guys sound just like Michael" and my dad said "well, that's what they're trained to do." lol

Never did tell them the truth.
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Maybe that's the proof that most people didn't notice the lip synching. ???
 
barbee0715 said:
Maybe that's the proof that most people didn't notice the lip synching. ???
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Only if they've never heard the CD. Bearing in mind the audience is made up of fans, it's very insulting.

People will presumed the artist is a live concert is singing live, miming to the CD doesn't even cross their minds.

At very least he should have prerecorded special erosions for the tour.
 
Tony R said:
Only if they've never heard the CD. Bearing in mind the audience is made up of fans, it's very insulting.

People will presumed the artist is a live concert is singing live, miming to the CD doesn't even cross their minds.

At very least he should have prerecorded special erosions for the tour.
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I'll be honest-maybe it's because TVs were smaller and reception not as good back in the day-but I never ever noticed lip syncing in Motown 25 and especially not the Grammys 88-maybe it's because he (and most artists at that time) were so good at it-maybe it's because I was so excited or so mesmerized because today watching the Motown show I see that the orchestra wasn't even pretending to play. LOL.

But seeing a show LIVE is very different-I remember late 70s/early 80s seeing a Liza Minnelli tour and I was raving to my boyfriend at the time how superb she was and how she did this whole entire dance number singing full force and didn't even gasp for air-and he just looked at me like I was a fool-and explained lip syncing to me. I was taken aback at first, because it was a LIVE show-but after a bit I was fine with it since she was dancing her legs off and I was used to playback from the MGM musicals I grew up on-it looked real. And most of it was live.

Unfortunately, I did notice the lip syncing the very first time I saw a History tour because I recognized the CD version. It definitely should have been prerecorded. Would have made a world of difference.
 
barbee0715 said:
I'll be honest-maybe it's because TVs were smaller and reception not as good back in the day-but I never ever noticed lip syncing in Motown 25 and especially not the Grammys 88-maybe it's because he (and most artists at that time) were so good at it-maybe it's because I was so excited or so mesmerized because today watching the Motown show I see that the orchestra wasn't even pretending to play. LOL.

But seeing a show LIVE is very different-I remember late 70s/early 80s seeing a Liza Minnelli tour and I was raving to my boyfriend at the time how superb she was and how she did this whole entire dance number singing full force and didn't even gasp for air-and he just looked at me like I was a fool-and explained lip syncing to me. I was taken aback at first, because it was a LIVE show-but after a bit I was fine with it since she was dancing her legs off and I was used to playback from the MGM musicals I grew up on-it looked real. And most of it was live.

Unfortunately, I did notice the lip syncing the very first time I saw a History tour because I recognized the CD version. It definitely should have been prerecorded. Would have made a world of difference.
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Don't forget MITM at Grammys was half live as well so it makes sense to be fooled.

I have no problem with TV performances being mimed, although I wish they weren't, but a full concert virtually is plain wrong.
 
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MattyJam said:
Well, my dad also had to explain to my mum during the exact same concert that it didn't matter how good a dancer MJ was, no amount of practise in the world could make MJ do the SC lean and defy the laws of gravity all by himself. These are true stories, I'm not making them up.
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Yeah well my Dad used to sing 'this is my song, this is Michael's song' for the African chant in WBSS!
 
barbee0715 said:
He wasn't the only one. LOL. Tracee Ellis Ross at 2:51.

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That's weird. My Dad was always in love with Diana Ross. Maybe something happened and Tracee is the result.

We may be related.

Even more weird, I'm having takeaway pizza for tea and chosen a thin and crusty Supreme.
 
Michaels Lover said:
I think they look badass. especially with the face paint, and when the wigs has different colors
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I remember an interview with her where she said that the whole HIStory tour S&M thing was both her favorite and her least favorite costume. She hated the face mask and thought it was uncomfortable to wear, but liked the fact that unlike the other tours where it took 20 minutes to style her gigantic white hair, whereas HIStory tour had her wearing a wig, so she could keep her natural blonde.
 
fraroc04 said:
I remember an interview with her where she said that the whole HIStory tour S&M thing was both her favorite and her least favorite costume. She hated the face mask and thought it was uncomfortable to wear, but liked the fact that unlike the other tours where it took 20 minutes to style her gigantic white hair, whereas HIStory tour had her wearing a wig, so she could keep her natural blonde.
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I remember from Dangerous Diaries where they show getting her hair getting styled, and she says it stays like that for days :lol:
whose idea was it with this S&M thing anyway? also with the masks they wear in Come Together/DS. was it Michael's idea? I'd like to think it was :naughty:
 
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I would consider Come Together/D.S. to be one of the worst numbers on the entire set list.

So incredibly boring and unenergetic, both on the part of the band and Michael (saving for Jennifer's guitar solo in the latter). That's sad, because D.S. is one of my favorite songs on History.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I would consider Come Together/D.S. to be one of the worst numbers on the entire set list.

So incredibly boring and unenergetic, both on the part of the band and Michael (saving for Jennifer's guitar solo in the latter). That's sad, because D.S. is one of my favorite songs on History.
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It did seem a pretty run-of-the-mill performance. They could have done way more with it. DS could have had a kickass group dance like Smooth Criminal or TDCAU. Come Together could have been a little more modeled after Moonwalker.
 
Also, play the full bloody songs.

This medley crap always annoys me in concerts.

I don't mean the 'same way for last twenty years' J5 medley, I mean Scream /TDCAU etc.
 
Tony R said:
Also, play the full bloody songs.

This medley crap always annoys me in concerts.

I don't mean the 'same way for last twenty years' J5 medley, I mean Scream /TDCAU etc.
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I've never been a fan of Medleys (for any artist really) either...BUT I still feel he managed to pull them off quite well.

I really do feel that all of his songs are so incredible that they really deserve to be performed in their full length. :)
 
Liking the medleys is like enjoying the single edits
 
Its hard for me to choose any favorites, but if I had to absolutely had to, I'd have to go with OTW and Come Together/DS as well.
 
one of many good things about HIStory tour is that it had so many medleys :D
 
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