The Brad Sunberg Seminar Leak/Theft of 2023

Apparently not all of it, but Universal deleted everything they had! Also, I'm sure I heard in an MJCast episode that another artist has in his will that all of his demos will be destroyed, I'm sure it was Stevie Wonder but can't find the info anywhere else.
Yeah I've been hearing Stevie Wonder a lot lately. Anderson .Paak has a literal tattoo asking them to destroy it all.

Maybe just on principle, most "artists", in the truest sense, don't want this stuff heard. But MJ did acquiesce to demos being heard.
 
Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure the 2008 fire has something to do with it also.
It was this manager:

David Joseph, chairman/CEO of Winehouse’s label, Universal Music U.K. “It was a moral thing,” the exec told Billboard. “Taking a stem or a vocal is not something that would ever happen on my watch. It now can’t happen on anyone else’s.”

 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I saw in the 'Dangerous tracklist leak' that every song was written out except for 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' and they all call it 'Trip'. So I guess it was first called 'Trip'?
 
It was this manager:

David Joseph, chairman/CEO of Winehouse’s label, Universal Music U.K. “It was a moral thing,” the exec told Billboard. “Taking a stem or a vocal is not something that would ever happen on my watch. It now can’t happen on anyone else’s.”

Suddenly I'm more appreciative of how the MJ Estate deals with demos.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I saw in the 'Dangerous tracklist leak' that every song was written out except for 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' and they all call it 'Trip'. So I guess it was first called 'Trip'?
I think it was just shorthand. Kinda like saying “Don’t Stop” or “Startin’ Somethin’.”
 
Holy shit just watched one of the leaked clips and you can clearly see mjs bald spot when he takes of his hat. I guess it never did grow back after pepsi incident
 
Holy shit just watched one of the leaked clips and you can clearly see mjs bald spot when he takes of his hat. I guess it never did grow back after pepsi incident
Michael had a partially third degree burn.😕
What clip?
I saw it last weekend on yt. iirc it's the wybt recording.
 
Holy shit just watched one of the leaked clips and you can clearly see mjs bald spot when he takes of his hat. I guess it never did grow back after pepsi incident
I saw it too but not sure if it is his scalp you see, some sort of a bandana or white tape tbh
 
I have absolute nothing serious to contribute to this thread, but this makes me wonder how people would react if this would be about paintings instead of songs. Finishing paintings for someone and then releasing them feels so much weirder.

How much control Michael had over certain songs when he was alive is also something I wonder about. If I remember this right, he disliked remixes of his songs, but they were still released. And one of his most unfinished songs that comes to my mind is In The Back. Still released. How did he feel about that? Does Michael make a difference between his casual fans and his hardcore fans? Is he okay with his hardcore fans listening to his unfinished stuff? Does nothing of this matter, because he only cared about the big numbers that only come with a "perfect" song, and with the Ultimate Collection he was like "whatever"? Did he have a saying in this? Maybe he loved it and wanted to share it with the world. Maybe he would love that his hardcore fans can listen to Hot Street and adore it. Who knows, who knows ...

But I guess many of these silly questions make the differences for most of us how we personally feel about leaks and all albums after 2009.
Thank you for these words of wisdom. I wish I was as calm and collected as you are :D
I also wish that we wouldn't argue among ourselves because I'm not sure we can afford that.

At the end of the day, we are all back at being sad that Michael is gone and we all wish we could enjoy more of his incredible talent.
 
Michael had a partially third degree burn.😕

I saw it last weekend on yt. iirc it's the wybt recording.
I saw it too but not sure if it is his scalp you see, some sort of a bandana or white tape tbh
Hmm looks like a bald spot to me… crazy he must have had a glued on (partial) wig for public appearances/concerts and used the hat to cover it when he didn’t
 
Strange chicago 1945 wasnt released officially.
Such a great song..
Should've been on Victory. And once we ever get to hear it, we'll probably think Buffalo Bill should've been on that album as well.

I guess Michael just did the minimal possible for that album and let the brothers do more of their own thing.
 
I guess Michael just did the minimal possible for that album and let the brothers do more of their own thing.
It seems like he wanted to make some effort for the album at first since both songs were made for the album but then he couldn't be bothered with it anymore. It's odd that he was still willing to give up a song featuring Freddie Mercury for the album though.
 
we had so many good releases on their way if only people would be patient otherwise there isn't anything else to look forward to
 
In The Studio with Michael Jackson makes a better documentary than every estate Documentary, that much is easy to say.
 
Should've been on Victory. And once we ever get to hear it, we'll probably think Buffalo Bill should've been on that album as well.

I guess Michael just did the minimal possible for that album and let the brothers do more of their own thing.
You're right mate. I think the problem Mike had was the same with Decade in 1990, the material he was working on was just too strong to be on a Jacksons album or a greatest hits album

Could you imagine Liberian Girl on Victory or Who Is It on Decade?
 
Could you imagine Liberian Girl on Victory or Who Is It on Decade?
Tbh, maybe. Who Is It was pretty swallowed up on Dangerous. They forced it's single releases over Give in to Me, before that excellent video was done basically guaranteeing neither song charted like it should have. That was the first time an MJ release was basically shot in the kneecap.
 
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