Thriller 40th Anniversary

I think every good documentary that comes out is a good thing. The fans (even the critical ones) gave positive reviews from the fan events. I am still interested in the reasons what caused the delay. But a documentary about the best-selling album of all time is timeless, and now tying it to the timing of the video's 40th anniversary makes sense. Maybe the video will hit the billion on YouTube by that time as well. No matter in each, there will also be a boost in the charts and generate new fans.
Fair point. I always thought they might do something this year. In the run-up to T40 I was convinced some of the activity would be centred on this year rather than last autumn. Where I got confused is I was expecting a coherent announcement to tell us what was going to happen. Six months ago I still thought MJE more or less operated in a logical, organised, normal way, lol. I'm not so deluded these days and have no expectations of anything at all. But a doc that links back to autumn 1983 and 'the making of ...' is fine. For myself, I'm not interested in it but I really hope it'll be a good product that other people can enjoy and I definitely want it to get an audience even beyond Michael's fanbase. That would be awesome.
 
Not a stupid and ignoramus thing like woke or blackwashing.

He hated race barriers but he did entirely love "black" music. He was a black man who loved his race and his influences that were black, James Brown, Nicholas Brothers, Jackie Wilson. He engaged in hip hop constantly and basically helped introduce it to all corners of the world. He wanted all people to ENJOY xblack" sounds. That's what the hatred of race barriers is for.
I called it 'blackwashing' (note the quotations) since (IMHO!) Spike Lee did the opposite of what's been called 'whitewashing': 'to alter...in a way that favors, features, or caters to white people'. It's fair criticism on his documentaries on MJ and I am not alone. The way you called me out on my opinion is very cowardly, especially since you are a prominent critic yourself. I am a black man myself, my parents were actually from the same (supposed) region as The Jacksons. I don't like the Identity Politics coming from the US, what I called 'woke'. Won't use it again cause I have no interest to discuss politics. However how Spike Lee portrayed MJ was very one-sided, I can't lie about it.

Michael Jackson was a black man, proud of it, inspired by Jackie Wilson, James Brown, Temptations, all Motown stuff obviously, Gospel, worked with black producers, did experience racism etc. etc. etc.

BUT 'Michael Jackson' (and his albums) obviously also didn't exist without Walt Disney, Edgar Allen Poe, Steven Spielberg, Rod Temperton, Fred Astaire, Bob Fosse, The Bee Gees, The Carpenters, Paul McCartney, Tom Bahler, Tchaikovsy, Bruce Swedien, Jerry Hey, Steve Lukather etc. etc. etc. which were white people.
I don't think I have to name MJ's inspirations here. If Spike Lee minimalizes, or even leaves out 'white' references but highlights 'black' ones, even ones that aren't accurate (lik the C'mon one) and puts in people who had little or nothing to do with MJ (Bryant), and is known for identity politics, than a decent fan can (and should) protest imo. Like you do with all other aspects of MJ


Meanwhile, he could enjoy every genre, even the "white" ones. And there was no need to stigmatize that. And we don't need to talk about what most musical influences even are. So basically, yeah, this was a pretty non nuanced take. Probably not accurate either, I'm sure there was plenty of mention of Caucasian elements; Rod Temperton was at odds with the estate so there's your reason for lack of reference there.
'Enjoy'? He was inspired and used every genre, even the 'white ones' Maybe I was non nuanced, I don't live in the US, however I feel strongly about this. And I don't believe the trouble of Temperton with The Estate has much to do with all of this, it's a general observation of his documentaries

And as for Kobe; he was one of MJs few friends. More than just "some ball player". Who would you think they should've gotten, Lionel Richie?
Lionel Richie would obviously be better yes , or what about Mister_Justin_Timberlake: speaking about being influenced by MJ
 
You just said it yourself.
Before him, MTV refused to broadcast music videos from black artists. That's just one example of various situations MJ and other black artists had to deal with. He was the first (I know there were others before him, but not as strong) to be able to start breaking these walls and open the path for himself and others to come.
He is transcendent, yes, but he was a black artist who grew up within the segregated and racist industry and managed to break through all that.
Since I have already been treated here like a Michael Jackson by the press, I might just put some more oil on the fire:
MTV was setup by people with a certain taste for people with the same taste, that doesn't made them racist obviously. They even started out with a black VJ ffs.. Yes I am that old.
They just didn't play Disco and Soul like 'Soul Train' didn't play Rock. So there were as little black people on MTV as there were white ones on Soul Train. Did MJ got more black people on MTV?> Probably yes. Do I like that?> Yes. Was it necessary?> No, why. Why should they?

Elvis didn't have this issue, The Beatles didn't have this issue, Led Zeppelin didn't have this issue. That's my point. He is a staple to the black culture.
White people doing Disco, Rap, R'n'B would have had the same issues obviously, they still do


Yeah, most of them (if not all) being black. There were never closed doors to white acts, ever, and he didn't do much for the LGBT+ community as he wasn't inserted in their movement.

White people face just as much prejudices of course, thinking otherwise would be kinda.. well racist. White people just have other closed doors like the within the rap or R'n'B community. Or street dance. MJ was and is a role model for millions of different people who, like he was, are: shy, androgynous, into magic, into classical music, into dance, love children, love nature, adopt children, have vitiligo, don't believe in race barriers etc. etc. etc.
 
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You know why Soul Train is called Soul Train right?
 
Surely the documentary won't be called Thriller 40. Its got to be just the making of Thriller
“Making of Thriller” would cause confusion with “Making of Thriller” (1984; also known as “Making Michael Jackson’s Thriller”).

I actually think it makes sense to call it Thriller 40, just as Spike’s Bad documentary was named “Bad 25”. Sure, it is indeed released a year late, but “Thriller 41” ain’t too catchy, is it?
 
I don't even know where to start with all this....

The way you called me out on my opinion is very cowardly, especially since you are a prominent critic yourself.

Literally how? Calling you out directly? Criticizing a multitude of poor fan takes, and just generally bad behavior wherever they lie?


I am a black man myself, my parents were actually from the same (supposed) region as The Jacksons.
So am I, so is mine.


Won't use it again cause I have no interest to discuss politics.
I have no involvement in politics whatsoever. Saying that black people getting recognition is political is divisive and strange to me.
BUT 'Michael Jackson' (and his albums) obviously also didn't exist without Walt Disney, Edgar Allen Poe, Steven Spielberg, Rod Temperton, Fred Astaire, Bob Fosse, The Bee Gees, The Carpenters, Paul McCartney, Tom Bahler, Tchaikovsy, Bruce Swedien, Jerry Hey, Steve Lukather etc. etc. etc. which were white people.
Of course they were. That is talked about all the time. There were also black equivalents to them all, and black inspirations for them all.

You are right that music is colorless but music is also boundless. People cling too much to staples. I don't think you're even particularly knowledgeable about these people you're criticizing anyway. I'd rather see more proof.
Like you do with all other aspects of MJ
I don't say much of anything bad about MJ. You got a very one angled glance of MJ anyway.

You wanna hear a strong take from me, I think Bruce Swedien deserves more credit than Quincy. Not because of skin color, but because of contribution. Bruce was integral to MJs entire adult career and QJ is pretty overblown at times. And yet all of them together helped make it what it is. I'm not just speaking "woke", I simply say the truth is what matters most.

And Lionel Richie had nothing to do with MJ throughout his life. JT especially, if anything was a huge blight on the Jackson family. I still enjoy his music though. But literally he has nothing over any other contemporary successor artist.

White people doing Disco, Rap, R'n'B would have had the same issues obviously, they still do
And no, they really don't: Jon B, Robin Thicke, JT, Beastie Boys, Eminem, Bee Gees

Not hearing any issues for they in particular.
 
Anyway, maybe Branca is too busy fighting the Illuminati to release this documentary. They no doubt have their hands full with the evil powers that be.


Sit Behind The Mask

And you Control Your World
 
Anyway, maybe Branca is too busy fighting the Illuminati to release this documentary. They no doubt have their hands full with the evil powers that be.


Sit Behind The Mask

And you Control Your World

The estate said that they never mentioned a release timeline! So it's just us fans making stuff up as usual.
 
The estate said that they never mentioned a release timeline! So it's just us fans making stuff up as usual.
Ahh, stupid idiot fans! They should be glad the estate stoops down for us.

I mean when have they ever had a good idea? Except that guy who doesn't care about concerts, that's award winning genius actually.
 
Anyway, maybe Branca is too busy fighting the Illuminati to release this documentary. They no doubt have their hands full with the evil powers that be.


Sit Behind The Mask

And you Control Your World
But wtf is the illuminate afraid of at this point....mj is gone...tf more can they be afraid of?? Good 4k quality? none of this makes sense. Not you...the estate!
 
Horrible takes aside, this doc should have been shot, edited and released the same time as the album. The estate did the same for OTW & Bad25. Watch them edit out any victory tour footage so we dont ask for a HD release lol
Lmao we still want a 4k concert. We've never gotten anything we've asked for.
 
Horrible takes aside, this doc should have been shot, edited and released the same time as the album. The estate did the same for OTW & Bad25. Watch them edit out any victory tour footage so we dont ask for a HD release lol

the moment they knew T40 was coming, they should've been editing the documentary to be released the same time as the album. To release it later this year just doesn't make any sense
 
here lads, back on topic lmfao. i wonder why they didnt put more demos of tracks we already have on thriller 40, like dont matter to me, much too soon or the og demo to this is it?
 
I agree that when it came to concerts MJ was too repetitive, if you've seen one concert you've basically seen it all. I don't get the hype for more concerts when the difference between tours comes to band and outfits mostly. I don't say anything about that or else I'll get shit on too lol.

I mean burn all concerts how silly haha
 
I've said on here before that I'm not all that interested in MJ as a live performer at this point, his concerts are pretty rehearsed so there's not really many differences apart from a few exceptions. Maybe once in a while I'll watch one and if a Bad show is released in HD I'll probably buy it, but I'm mainly interested in the music at this stage.
 
here lads, back on topic lmfao. i wonder why they didnt put more demos of tracks we already have on thriller 40, like dont matter to me, much too soon or the og demo to this is it?
Because they are officially claimed to be Post Thriller. Even though they're actually from 1980... Or at least initially they were.
 
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