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What's the max you think Invincible could have sold overall

Victorious said:
Ah okay, I like to see that!
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Invincible contains 16 songs, which all together last 77 minutes. The mood of the album changes throughout, starting with the hard hitting “Unbreakable”, which transitions to the dubstep-like “Heartbreaker”.
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Review: Jackson’s Invincible is under-appreciated

Invincible is the final studio album released by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson, released in October 2001, a day before Halloween. When people hear the name Michael Jackson, they immediately think of his hit 1983 album Thriller, which went on to become the best-selling music album of...
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Rodney definitely took major influence from Timbaland when he started working with MJ. Just listen to this song he produced for Brandy on her 2002 Full Moon album:
Sounds a lot like "Heartbreaker", and by extension, Timbaland productions like "Pony", "Are You That Somebody", "None of Your Friends' Business", etc. Those songs aren't dubstep; as someone else said, they' just influenced by drums 'n bass. Dubstep evolved from drums 'n bass, but MJ was nowhere near the first major artist to have elements of drums 'n bass in his music.

And even if "Heartbreaker" is dubstep, no reason to give MJ for that. If anything, it would just be Rodney's accomplishment as he produced the song; MJ had little input on it as with many tracks on the album.
 
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Spaceship said:
Rodney definitely took major influence from Timbaland when he started working with MJ. Just listen to this song he produced for Brandy on her 2002 Full Moon album:
Sounds a lot like "Heartbreaker", and by extension, Timbaland productions like "Pony", "Are You That Somebody", "None of Your Friends' Business", etc. Those songs aren't dubstep; as someone else said, they're R&B and hip-hop songs with significant drums 'n bass influence. Dubstep evolved from drums 'n bass, but MJ was nowhere near the first major artist to have elements of drums 'n bass in his music.

And even if "Heartbreaker" somehow was dubstep, why give MJ credit for that? If anything, it would just be Rodney's accomplishment as he produced the song; MJ had little input on it as with many songs on the album.
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It was pretty much necessary to make that Timbaland sound style.
 
Victorious said:
Timbaland in 1996

Rodney Jerkins in 2001
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It's like saying, that all Michael's songs from Bad album sound like 80s music, lol. You know, that Mike always try to make music in some of modern styles. But STILL he always did it in HIS way! That's why it always was pretty innovative. Heartbreaker song are not similar to Pony. There is only one a little bit similar sound. that's all! Heartbreaker is rapid, dubstep song, with Michael beatboxing on the background. It's is unique.
 
It can be tricky to find out how much an album really sells. The official, certified numbers could be at like 6m, but people end up inflating it as high as 13m as they did with Invincible.

It's impressive that it managed to be the ninth best-selling album worldwide in 2001, with 5.4m sold that year. That's even more than Janet's All for You. But not many albums released in 2001 sold over 10m. Shaggy's Hot Shot, Destiny Child's Survivor, Jennifer Lopez's J Lo, Janet's All for You, Usher's 8701, 'N Sync's Celebrity, Britney Spears' Britney, etc ... none of these albums sold over 10m despite how overhyped they may be by various media outlets. Do people really think MJ at 40-something could have outsold all of these younger artists in the long run?

Bad sold less than Thriller, Dangerous sold less than Bad, History sold less than Dangerous ... Invincible obviously wasn't going to sell more than History, which sold 10m. Anyone who thinks it would have done better than that isn't realistic.
 
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Spaceship said:
It can be tricky to find out how much an album really sells. The official, certified numbers could be at like 6m, but people end up inflating it as high as 13m as they did with Invincible.

It's impressive that it managed to be the ninth best-selling album worldwide in 2001, with 5.4m sold that year. That's even more than Janet's All for You. But not many albums released in 2001 sold over 10m. Shaggy's Hot Shot, Destiny Child's Survivor, Jennifer Lopez's J Lo, Janet's All for You, Usher's 8701, 'N Sync's Celebrity, Britney Spears' Britney, etc ... none of these albums sold over 10m despite how overhyped they may be by various media outlets. Do people really think MJ at 40-something could have outsold all of these younger artists in the long run?

Bad sold less than Thriller, Dangerous sold less than Bad, History sold less than Dangerous ... Invincible obviously wasn't going to sell more than History, which sold 10m. Anyone who thinks it would have done better than that isn't realistic.
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That's not true. History sold 20m, Invincible sold 4.6m. With decent promotion it could easily sell 10-15m.
 
Mark Shaw said:
History sold 20m, Invincible sold 4.
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History only sold 10m as one package and Invincible shipped 5.4m in 2001:
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I doubt there's such a discrepancy between units sold and units shipped, so I'm pretty sure that the album ultimately sold at least that much. 6m is probably the very most you could highball it, although Chartmasters says it sold 6.4m:
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Michael Jackson albums and songs sales - ChartMasters

How many units has Thriller sold? And Bad? And Dangerous? Find out the anwsers to these questions and an awful lot more about Michael Jackson right here!
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But I don't see what could have caused it to sell 1m after February 2002. There were no further singles, videos of appearances to promote the album; the "Sony Sucks" campaign did nothing and not even MJ's death revived sales. Actual sales of Invincible are most likely 5.4-6m.
 
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Mark Shaw said:
That's not true. History sold 20m, Invincible sold 4.6m. With decent promotion it could easily sell 10-15m.
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Oh shut the fck up will you? Sick of listening to you dismiss every little thing that gets posted.

If someone says this you'll say no no no, learn to accept that you're not always right( pretty much wrong 99%) Richard.
 
Spaceship said:
History only sold 10m as one package and Invincible shipped 5.4m in 2001:
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I doubt there's such a discrepancy between units sold and units shipped, so I'm pretty sure that the album ultimately sold at least that much. 6m is probably the very most you could highball it, although Chartmasters says it sold 6.4m:
chartmasters.org

Michael Jackson albums and songs sales - ChartMasters

How many units has Thriller sold? And Bad? And Dangerous? Find out the anwsers to these questions and an awful lot more about Michael Jackson right here!
chartmasters.org
But I don't see what could have caused it to sell 1m after February 2002. There were no further singles, videos of appearances to promote the album; the "Sony Sucks" campaign did nothing and not even MJ's death revived sales. Actual sales of Invincible is most likely 5.4-6m.
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No no no. History sold more than 20m and Invincible is about 5m
 
Spaceship said:
History only sold 10m as one package and Invincible shipped 5.4m in 2001:
MZ1WXZ6.png

I doubt there's such a discrepancy between units sold and units shipped, so I'm pretty sure that the album ultimately sold at least that much. 6m is probably the very most you could highball it, although Chartmasters says it sold 6.4m:
chartmasters.org

Michael Jackson albums and songs sales - ChartMasters

How many units has Thriller sold? And Bad? And Dangerous? Find out the anwsers to these questions and an awful lot more about Michael Jackson right here!
chartmasters.org
But I don't see what could have caused it to sell 1m after February 2002. There were no further singles, videos of appearances to promote the album; the "Sony Sucks" campaign did nothing and not even MJ's death revived sales. Actual sales of Invincible is most likely 5.4-6m.
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Victorious said:
Timbaland in 1996

Rodney Jerkins in 2001
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Invincible was a classic. From start to finish there isn't a song on it that isn't a classic. Eh... Unbreakable with biggie is meh because of biggie but the album is a classic. Judge me all y'all want but it's better than Thriller. Yes better than Thriller. His vocals on Invincible lawwwwwwwd my heart hurts from them vocals. He needed you to feel them lyrics. Speechless. Don't walk away. Whatever Happens. Y'all don't understand I'm a stan for Invincible. I was born in the 90's but the first CD that I actually bought and owned was Invincible the white copy. You know the babies came in different colors. I also owned all his other CD and I'm sorry IMO his songs on Invincible slayed Thriller. Maybe R&B Mike is my Mike because now thinking Dangerous and Off the Wall are tied for second place for me. Keep the Faith which is more gospel/ polish/r&b ish has one of the most special places in my heart because it really spoke to me.
 
Mark Shaw said:
Heartbreaker is rapid, dubstep song, with Michael beatboxing on the background. It's is unique.
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What's unique about beatboxing? You must not be aware of Human Beat Box from The Fat Boys or Doug E. Fresh. They were around in the 1980s.
 
Mark Shaw said:
Invincible was a classic. From start to finish there isn't a song on it that isn't a classic. Eh... Unbreakable with biggie is meh because of biggie but the album is a classic. Judge me all y'all want but it's better than Thriller. Yes better than Thriller. His vocals on Invincible lawwwwwwwd my heart hurts from them vocals. He needed you to feel them lyrics. Speechless. Don't walk away. Whatever Happens. Y'all don't understand I'm a stan for Invincible. I was born in the 90's but the first CD that I actually bought and owned was Invincible the white copy. You know the babies came in different colors. I also owned all his other CD and I'm sorry IMO his songs on Invincible slayed Thriller. Maybe R&B Mike is my Mike because now thinking Dangerous and Off the Wall are tied for second place for me. Keep the Faith which is more gospel/ polish/r&b ish has one of the most special places in my heart because it really spoke to me.
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Hang on one second .......
.You were born in the 90s?? Thought you were 37 years old???

You told us you were 37 years old... Therefore you're telling complete and utter lies.
 
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