At last we know the real why MJ passed away.

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At last we know why MJ die ..and it was not cause he was dying from cancer like they were saying months ago or all that other stuff the media has been saying. So MJ was clean months ago when he past that drug test to tour. So he was healthy see the media was lying..all this time...bla bla...What do you think?
 
I think the media and all the other SCUM that made his life hell should go to f*****g hell, that's what I think. :blowup:

I am heartbroken...it's hit me real hard, just like the first day....I'm just empty :weeping:
 
I think the media and all the other SCUM that made his life hell should go to f*****g hell, that's what I think. :blowup:

I am heartbroken...it's hit me real hard, just like the first day....I'm just empty :weeping:

I feel the same, although I felt 100 times worst on the June 25th night when it happened.

I still feel empty without the fact that he's not out & about somewhere spending time with his children.
In todays case, in london, and preparing for the 28th August show at the O2.
Ready to Entertain the world like only Michael can.
It really is Dream shattering and Heart-Breaking.:weeping:



I Miss Him SOOOO Much:heart:
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::boohoo:
 
^ on the first day it was a mix of heartbreak denial and disbelief...then came the anger..then numbness....now the heartbreak and anger has come back with a vengeance :cry: because of how he died, now we know....I can't get over this :(
 
You will notice too that the media has gone a bit quite on the whole story, because now there is no room for continuing to spin

The doctor's account is mostly known.

The questions to be answered are hard ones, and none in the media are willing to eplore that avenue as it has little to do with sensationalism and more to do with hard-hitting truths.

There are only three scenarios

  • The first is that the doctor messed up
  • The second is that it was a planned murder
  • The third is that Michael was given a substance before returning so that no matter what the doctor did, it was going to lead to that outcome

The media can examine the doctor messing up and killing Michael, which takes away from the tales they had built of Michael as reckless and an addict when it's shown it's the doctor who messed up.

The media can explore if it was a murder, who would have the motive? But that would mean examining Sony, AEG owners and Colony owners, all of whom are close friends with the media owners so such stories and specials get shut down at the editor's table.

It's the same reason very little has been said about the MJ and Sony issue after Michael's death.



It seems the truth for the three above may never be known because once someone begins lying, then teh truth is out of the window.

What i wonder though is why he started changing from Propofol and mixing other sedatives. He eplains it as weaning MJ off propofol but then, how can it have worked well the 2 days before and not on this night?

Also, why would he give Michael propofol so late in the day?

That would mean Michael was unable to sleep from 1:30am to about 10:00am, about 8.5 hours with the doctor simply figuring out what to inject next?

I doubt Michael was aware that Murray was changing drugs.
Michael knew propofol works well

This guy introduced 3 drugs instead, while trying to move awy from what Michael knew.

If it was an accident, he kept changing drugs, till he resorted to re-using propofol, when MJ slept, he then went to make calls for 47 minutes.

When he returned, MJ had stopped breathing, and there, the panic started, he attempts CPR for 8 minutes.

he then calls Amir, who calls Alvarez.
Murray comes running down.
Alvarez gets called around the same time Amir has called him and he comes flying upstairs.
Meanwhile, Murray has run back upstairs and performs CPR from 12:17 till the ambulance is called at 12:21 and carries on till paramedics arrive

that is additional CPR for about 8 minutes

So altogether, he did CPR for about 16 minutes and not half an hour as he thought

Anything outside of this frame, and then it moves out of the realms of an error by Murray, because it would mean he was acting up when he knew Michael was already dead and the three calls were to do with him knowing Michael was dead.

Then it becomes either a deliberate cover up knowing he had messed up, or making sure MJ was dead, as part of a plot, before then acting up as if it was sudden.
 
I THOUGHT that was release why he die? is that the same?

Naw, the release that appeared a couple of days ago is the search warrant, meaning the info released is the story Conrad Murray told the police and the police took that story to a judge to be allowed to search Conrad Murray's house e.t.c. No autopsy results yet.
 
Have you notice the media is not saying the DOCTOR KILL MJ? THEY are saying DID doctor kill MJ? and they are saying the doctor will not go to jail cause MJ was hook to drugs in the past.
 
Even though we now know the reason, we are still not satisfied with the condition under which he died.

Could he have been saved? we might never know!
 
I don't feel like I know why he died yet. I feel like there are still a lot of questions left.

Same. There are still so many unanswered questions. Finding out this case is now being treated as homicide has actually made things worse for me though. I feel worse. I don't feel at peace with his death.
 
They were pissing me off so much with the cancer rumors that I actually said to a friend that it's clear that they want him gone! They were like sharks sniffing for blood! Searching for bad stuff! Well they got it!!!!!!!!! I hope they're having fun investigating what happened. They're eating it up like candy!!

It was like they were trying to attract evil to him. They never wanted him to be happy. They just kicked and kicked and punched even if he just went shopping!

And they're still kicking him.
 
The media had been lying for years about Michael, they just want bring him down.
 
True... and why isn't the autopsy released yet - is it because of the ongoing investigation?!
yes I also don't feel at peace yet coz there are still a lot of questions but rumor on radar.com is that this investigation taking so long coz there are only 3 ppl working on the case
 
Drug amounts in Michael Jackson death probe don't add up, medical experts say

If Michael Jackson died from lethal levels of the powerful anesthetic propofol, then his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, would have had to inject much more of the drug than he reportedly told police, medical experts said.

That opinion is based on court records unsealed in Houston on Monday in which Los Angeles police detectives recount Murray's statement, taken in a three-hour interview two days after the pop star's death.

According to the records, Murray told them that he had been giving Jackson 50 milligrams of propofol each night over a six-week period. Murray told police that he had been trying to wean Jackson off the powerful anesthetic and, on the night of his death, gave him a combination of other sedatives -- until finally succumbing to Jackson's repeated demands for propofol.

According to the documents, Murray then gave Jackson 25 milligrams of propofol. But those amounts -- 25 and 50 milligrams -- are far below the dosage required to anesthesize someone and keep them asleep, several experts said.

"It doesn't make any sense," said Dr. John Dombrowski, a member of the American Society of Anesthesiologists. "I cannot believe that was the number that was given. Such a small amount won't tip anyone over in terms of respiratory depression. ... If that's what his testimony is, I don't believe it."


What's more likely, Dombrowski said, is that the numbers in the documents are somehow in error. Murray might not have provided an infusion rate -- such as 25 milligrams every few minutes -- or police did not understand the medical terminology. If the amount of propofol is higher, combined with the other medications, Dombrowski said, then "you are going to start to see an overdose."

The preliminary toxicology reports cited in the court records said that "lethal levels" of propofol were found in Jackson's blood, a finding that sources familiar with the investigation maintain was a significant factor in the pop star's death.

Murray has maintained that he believes nothing he administered Jackson should have led to his death and said through his attorney that he answered the questions posed by detectives truthfully. In a YouTube video posted recently, Murray thanked his supporters and said, "I have done all I could do. I told the truth, and I have faith the truth will prevail."

-- Kimi Yoshino



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...th-probe-dont-add-up-medical-experts-say.html
 
It is too sad. I still dont want to accept that he is dead..We have so many unanswered questions we want answered..I feel that we are in a stagnant time zone..
 
They were pissing me off so much with the cancer rumors that I actually said to a friend that it's clear that they want him gone! They were like sharks sniffing for blood! Searching for bad stuff! Well they got it!!!!!!!!! I hope they're having fun investigating what happened. They're eating it up like candy!!

It was like they were trying to attract evil to him. They never wanted him to be happy. They just kicked and kicked and punched even if he just went shopping!

And they're still kicking him.

they totally are......I agree with everything you said...it makes my blood boil :blowup:
 
I get that too - when it all of a sudden hits me that this IS real! Most of the time it just doesn't seem real at all! I was born in 1984 so ALL MY LIFE, Michael has been the biggest star in the world. The most recognised face and name. It just doesn't seem real that he is no longer around.

As for the cause of death, I am anxiously waiting to hear what the coronor says tomorrow. I think we basically know what it was, being caused from meds, however the next issue is whether this was intentional or not and we may never know the answer to that.

You know, when I first heard the news and they were saying a heart attack, I thought how tragic and was obviously EXTREMELY upset, but I could live with him dying of a heart attack cos these things happen and that wouldn't have been an avoidable death. Dying from a quack idiot doctor giving dangerous combinations of drugs be it intentional or not, is an avoidable death and just makes this all the more difficult to come to terms with.
 
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