>>> ATTENTION MEMBERS: About the money you donate to MJJC...

[SunsetDriver]

Hi guys,

I'd like to share with you what kind of lies some members have just spreaded in our main CHAT room (if you can't see us in chatroom, it doesn't mean we aren't there).

If you have something to tell us, just tell us directly...not behind our shoulders. We won't tolerate such LIES. Thanks.

Honestly, it's true we hadn't time to thank members who donated so far and I'm totally sorry for that. At the very moment I'm writing this, I'm setting up new usergroups, which will include also "MJJC Donator". MJJC Donators, as we promised, will be granted access to more room for pm, permission to upload pics for signatures/Avatars and much more.

Expect full bills and names of donators in the next minutes.

See also the these users have been banned from MJJC for the time being.

[kimpen] 9:15 pm: why they have the chat button on homepage? adn not on forum page
[The Moment We Live] 9:16 pm: dunnno
[kimpen] 9:16 pm:
[kimpen] 9:16 pm: ok
[The Moment We Live] 9:16 pm: i wonder about other things
[kimpen] 9:16 pm: ï have to click on homepage and then chat
[kimpen] 9:16 pm: what u wonder about
[The Moment We Live] 9:16 pm: people that donated money to MJJc//didint even get a "thanx"
[The Moment We Live] 9:16 pm: and if i calculate the donation its much more than he expected to get
[kimpen] 9:16 pm: ?
[The Moment We Live] 9:16 pm: no word about it though
[kimpen] 9:16 pm: oh
[kimpen] 9:17 pm: he kept it for himself
[The Moment We Live] 9:17 pm: not sure but it doesnt look good to the eye
[kimpen] 9:17 pm: who is it?
[The Moment We Live] 9:17 pm: Sunset driver who else

Sunsetdriver/Enrico

 

[Forever_Mike]

Thanx for the update.

 

[Momma Shannon]

The staff were thanking members throughout the main thread. Without member support we wouldn't be here. If anyone has questions about anything on the board we have the ask us section and/or any member can pm the staff and ask us directly. There is no reason to sensationalize something you haven't asked about.

 

[sugababe]

OUCH!!!! and BUSTED!!!!

 

[The Moment We Live]

Hey Enrico A.
You Are putting me in a really not respectful Position.
No lies were told by me or Kimpen.
it something that has been bothering me personally and i shared it with the only person that was active in the chat (out of the total 3-4 people)
i wasnt spreading lies or dissing someone surely not you.
I just felt strange about the fact that you urged people to help you and when they did it looked like it been forgotten. no one was looking for a thanx but at least for some reaction..its been over 2 weeks since most of the people donated and no sign of reply from you.

no one spread lies or told things that u asume they told you can see the chat itself.
sharing my thought with a Friend on a chat is not as u described it Enrico.

aggressive reaction with no reason.
being bothered by something doesnt mean that you are spreading lies (like roger fredman!)
if i thought someone is doing something wrong with the donates i would scream it out loud here..that was a small bothering thats all.

reconsider your aggressive reply cause it's not what u made it to look like.

 

[SunsetDriver]

Hey Enrico A.
You Are putting me in a really not respectful Position.
No lies were told by me or Kimpen.
it something that has been bothering me personally and i shared it with the only person that was active in the chat (out of the total 3-4 people)
i wasnt spreading lies or dissing someone surely not you.
...
no one spread lies or told things that u asume they told you can see the chat itself.
...
sharing my thought with a Friend on a chat is not as u described it Enrico.
...
if i thought someone is doing something wrong with the donates i would scream it out loud here..that was a small bothering thats all.

Excuse me?:mello: No lies? you and kimpen wrote that I kept the money for myself. And no matter if you can't see admins/mods in chatroom. We can see chatters if we want.
Aggressive reply? Basically you said I stole fans' money and you call my reply aggressive?

[kimpen] 9:16 pm: oh
[kimpen] 9:17 pm: he kept it for himself
[The Moment We Live] 9:17 pm: not sure but it doesnt look good to the eye
[kimpen] 9:17 pm: who is it?
[The Moment We Live] 9:17 pm: Sunset driver who else

I just felt strange about the fact that you urged people to help you and when they did it looked like it been forgotten. no one was looking for a thanx but at least for some reaction..its been over 2 weeks since most of the people donated and no sign of reply from you.

And who told you the donators looked like been forgotten and no reactions from us? We at least thanked them in that thread and I've just excused myseld for not having replied to them with an email.

 

[MJJC Moderator]

Aggressive reply? No my friend! You and Kimpen had the audacity to spread lies to one another about something you know NOTHING about. It's unfair to treat Enrico like this when all he's done is try to provide the fans with the best M.J. site ON THE WEB. Take your lies and jealousy elsewhere!

Allison

Hey Enrico A.
You Are putting me in a really not respectful Position.
No lies were told by me or Kimpen.
it something that has been bothering me personally and i shared it with the only person that was active in the chat (out of the total 3-4 people)
i wasnt spreading lies or dissing someone surely not you.
I just felt strange about the fact that you urged people to help you and when they did it looked like it been forgotten. no one was looking for a thanx but at least for some reaction..its been over 2 weeks since most of the people donated and no sign of reply from you.

no one spread lies or told things that u asume they told you can see the chat itself.
sharing my thought with a Friend on a chat is not as u described it Enrico.

aggressive reaction with no reason.
being bothered by something doesnt mean that you are spreading lies (like roger fredman!)
if i thought someone is doing something wrong with the donates i would scream it out loud here..that was a small bothering thats all.

reconsider your aggressive reply cause it's not what u made it to look like.

 

[Forever_Mike]

The staff were thanking members throughout the main thread. Without member support we wouldn't be here. If anyone has questions about anything on the board we have the ask us section and/or any member can pm the staff and ask us directly. There is no reason to sensationalize something you haven't asked about.

Exactly! Also the implication on that conversation (in bold in the original post) is that SunsetDriver has taken the donations and kept some to himself, legally that is character assassination and slander. I don't think Enrico is over-reacting at all. In fact I think he is been very responsible and understanding (I know I wouldn't have been!)

The most decent thing for those involved to do is accept responsibility and apologize instead of challenging Enrico's decision. (i.m.o)

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Thanx for the openness and honesty SD!

Naughty members sound like trashy media. Meh they got busted!!

 

[WHES]

How and where do we donate? I'm assumpin PayPal is involved? Also, what kind of money does MJJC need, without getting too personal here? It would just be nice to know what kind of donation is appropriate. If you don't want to answer I understand, I'll donate no matter what.

 

[LuvMoment]

Thanx for the openness and honesty SD!

Naughty members sound like trashy media. Meh they got busted!!

Naughty Members?
when he asked for a donation i actually "ran" to my paypal and generously donated 20$ without thinking to support this great Community even if it was my first week in here.

2 weeks after and i...as many others expected to see at least some message that the debt is paid and everything is ok..no personal thanx expected but a main message
and Enrico did appologized for that AFTER he saw that chat lines. which had no mean to diss him or make him a thieft or so. instead of making a mutual appoligize which i did in my PM to him..he just banned to avoid what? i did appologized for being misunderstood. and all that bashing is unfair when the person has no right to defend himself anymore.
but hey...democratic world it is.

before you judge people by a misunderstanding something try to understand them first.

dont get too dramatic people.
no donation refund needed.
Keep On Movin'.
being in this MJJF/MJJC since 2003..i understand that my place is defenitly not Here anymore.

 

[SunsetDriver]

Donations to MJJC so far: $243,84 (Feb. 5th, 2008)

'MJJC Member Donator' usergroup:
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website's permissions:
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February 2008 Host invoice

:flowers:

 

[Momma Shannon]

How and where do we donate? I'm assumpin PayPal is involved? Also, what kind of money does MJJC need, without getting too personal here? It would just be nice to know what kind of donation is appropriate. If you don't want to answer I understand, I'll donate no matter what.

Whes, the original thread can be found here... http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45092

Thanks.

 

[Gaz]

With regard to the above I can 10000% assure anything that is given goes into a seperate account, out of that will only ever come monthly fee's / licence and software costs,

Its a simple as this, if there is more than is need for this month then it will contribute to the next month,

NO MONEYS are kept by anybody and I make sure this is the case as all admins do

I can wholeheartly say to you all that Enrico would NEVER take anyones money, I trust him with the absolute that MJJC and its fans and members are

Anyone saying the contrary are purely out to slander this person and I will have NONE of it,

If anybody wishes to cross me on this you all know how to pm me

To explain

Well its like this, we have a monthly payment that is made to keep it all here

And this is our community so realisticaly we all can help out as and when its totaly voluntary,

See my view is if many many of our members and staff gave just $1 dollar every now and then this place would have no problems, in my money thats around 50p

Not a lot is it

Anyway I would also like to personaly thank those that have helped us (TO PAY OUR COST)

Your generosity is greatly appreciated by me and the entire MJJCommunity Team


Best Regards


Gary

 

[SunsetDriver]

dont get too dramatic people.
no donation refund needed.
Keep On Movin'.
being in this MJJF/MJJC since 2003..i understand that my place is defenitly not Here anymore.

Strange, 'cause in your PM you stated:"i am only few weeks here after MJNO closed and your post for donation was like a week or two after i joined and i did donated with a honor and really wanted to help."

Anyway, I'm glad you've found a new home, Evgeny.
And if you were expecting something from us, a reply, before 2 weeks, well you could have opened a thread to ask about, no?.

Anyway, bye bye. See that I've totally refunded you. :flowers:

 

[Dutchie]

If you don't trust a website, don't donate. It's simple as that. And if you feel you need clarification about something, or about where your money goes; PM the admin or a mod instead of fabricating your own stories.

Second, I don't get why people 'need' to be thanked publicly for donating. That doesn't make sense to me.

And third: The Moment We Live.. for someone who's been using the (FREE!) chatroom non-stop to advertise the merchandise you are selling, you sure are an unthankful fella.
Anywhoo....I'm outta this thread :yes:

 

[sundayroberts1]

This is not right accusing our modes of taking money that is just plain disgusting. Anyways most of us fans are very happy with how things are being set up and looked after. I must send some money as soon as i get paypale set up on my computer. I don,t have alot of money but will try and send something evey month. I think everything is looking great guys and i sorry you are put in this position. don,t worry we are behind you.

 

[Tipareth]

It was the first time that I've donated something, becuase now I got a card. It's been a pleasure for me and a reward in itself, because I so like this Board. I don't need big fat thanks to feel good, being here with you all, it's enough.

You know what? Do not give donators more facilities, do not separate them from others. Donating should be an act of altruism and a reward in itself. I feel it's better this way, to not create separations of any kind.

 

[cass]

Ah man.. That's a shame... I hate when stuff like this happens... I donated because I wanted to help out... if I didn't trust you.. I wouldn't have sent anything. I thought the thanks to all in the original thread was satisfactory.

 

[L.J]

I'm saddened by this accusation and really hurt :no:


In all honesty... I just don't have words for this :no:

 

[J5master]

where did kimpen say anything wrong?

Looks like he/she was just responding to The Moment's comments.

 

[MJJChichi]

**sigh**

I am just goin' to keep my mouth shut on this ish but I would like to say...
Enrico,

I am very sorry you had your integrity attacked like that today.

Thank you for all that you have done since coming on staff with us. Your hard work getting this community up and helping to keep it running, the time & dedication you have spent supporting the staff and membership is greatly appreciated.

Again, I am very sorry that you and your character were publically called into question.

Chichi

 

[Amber Dawn]

Okie Dokie..
I was browsing and I saw many times where a staff member thanked someone for a donation, but whatever.. lol

I'd like to donate but @ the moment I'm really being strict with money as I don't have a job since I got laid off.

 

[Mechi]

My understanding for your sensitivity when your integrity is attacked Enrico/Sunset driver, without doubt.
Yeah I would be hurt also!

Still as an observer of the scene I'd like to add my two cents to something just for the commUNITY of fans.

First of all I'd like this to be recognized please...

where did kimpen say anything wrong? Looks like he/she was just responding to The Moment's comments

I don't know if kimpen was able to respond to it as from my chatting experience his/her remark could have very well be a question also!
I don't know, I'm just wondering if he/she got a chance?
Just in case because these things happen in the chat often because WE do not always care to put ? or ! behind what we type in there.

Second I think it's no disrespect from my side but I would like to see a note like 'please know a third person/moderator can watch your chat always' something like that.
Just because why not telling ppl that it's no place for privacy, when it is not.

Sometimes with friends I do have a burst out of emotions. It just happens cuz I share those even when negative and I do not controll myself when surrounded by friends... these things happen, but my friends tell me when they think I'm wrong and we forget about it and I'd never make that publicly. Still I have some close friends on this board and only surrounded by friends I'd maybe behave weird in the chat also... but noway I'd like to see this posted on the forum one day because a mod thinks that's apropriate.
So why not making everyone aware before joining the chat, that a third person might be with those talking.

I am not saying this was the case with Kimpen and Moment. I honestly do not know.
It's just a thought cuz I was in the chat yesterday and I was not aware that ppl who aren't in there, who aren't shown at all to me were able to also read what I said. Somehow that is not a nice feeling. It's no real critizism. I know this place is runned by you guys and I'm able to accept whatever you decide. I'd just like to know. Maybe a note like that is even there somewhere but I couldn't see it cuz I do have often probs to join the chat?

See we're all Michael Jackson fans and it's important how we treat eachother. Sometimes yes we have a right to do something but that doesn't always mean it's the only and best thing to do.

However I have NO DOUBT donations to this forum are used ONLY for this forum.
Still I have also understanding for ppl who'd like to see prove. The internet is a place where you can easily learn mistrust. It wasn't right from Moment to raise his in form of accusations. WRONG no doubt.

Ok this is in no way meant to put even more hurt on someone (especially those of you working your ass of for this forum), please! I just try always to see where ppl are coming from and what's motivating them.
I know the 'no tolerance' policy and all that, it's just not mine.
Again I'm not working here, I didn't even donate yet. I'm just a fan wondering if that is how it should really be in the fan commUNITY of Michael Jackson.

Somehow I hope all this only will make it easier for you guys and also of cuz for donations to roll in.

 

[~Kis~]

I think Mechi is making a lot of valid points.
I support the idea of making it clear to the chatters, before entering that they are being monitored in the chat room .

Since a "zero tolerance" rule is being enfoced on this board, I think it is of value to both the admins./mods. AND chat users that they know exactly, where they stand.

People may forget themselves, thinking that they're talking in a more intimate/private environment than ex. the board. Granted.. That is not an excuse, but it IS an explanation.

You have every right to monitor. But I also think that users have a right to know, when/where they are being supervised.
Are "private PMs" private?? Or are you able to view those?

Slam a sticker on there, saying that mods. may be watching the room visible/invisible to the eye, and you're good to go.
Not doing so, leaves room for an unfortunate situation to accour IMO (such as this).
If it happens anyway? It's all on the "offender".

Right now, you've got someone saying something, while being unaware of being watched.
In this specific case, I would really rather have seen some chat user turn him in to a mod./admin., than have someone in power (being invisible) catch him.
The only reason being that no one knew that was even a possibility.

To me there is a Big difference between knowing Big Brother is watching and not knowing and being caught doing something. There difference being that if you choose to be an a**, (not referring to any specific case), you Know, you may get slammed for it.

It's the principle.. Nothing more.

You have done a great job setting up this site for the fans, and I know, it's a hard and often thankless job. You have a lot to deal with, and I only hope that you will consider, what has been said.
Thank you for a wonderful forum And may I say? An awesome chat room

 

[cryingangel]

Meichi indeed made a lot of good points

I'm very sorry that you've been talked that way, Enrico You really put a lot of effort in this forum and we truly appreciate it. We appreciate everything this place does for fans and many of us would be lost without it

 

[Forever_Mike]

I take your points Mechi but here is my take on the issue LOL
Firstly MJJC is a fansite that provides various services for its members. These services include the forum, chat, blog etc. In order to meet the goal of MJJC (creating a fun, happy etc place for MJ fans From around the world to meet etc) MJJC has a number of rules and regulations. These rules are applicable to all the services under MJJC wherever members are in open discussion ie forum, blog and chat; these rules have to be met. In other words just as its not allowed to attack a member personally in the forum the same applies in blog, chat etc. In this sense the two individuals broke this rule. (Also personally if someone can say bad things about another person without any prove they can do so to me).

The other thing is that Kimpen did write 'he kept it to himself' meaning that SD took the money for his own use. The point here is that if Kimpen and others had queries about the funds they only had to ask. SD and other staff members could be reached by PM's etc heck there is even a thread entitled 'Ask Us' LOL. But they didn't and that's sad.

The other point you raised about how 'private' is the chat room. Well my take on the subject is that the chat room is 'private' because Only members can view it. In the sense that for example the forum isn't completely 'private' because as you know anyone on the net can read all the topics etc on the main discussion forum. They can't on the chat room you have to be a member to do so.

I am a bit puzzled tho by the idea that the chat room could be taken as been 'private' in the sense that say a member wishes to discuss private things with other members who are also his/her friends may feel that its ok do so (thinking that the conversations taking place in the chat room are private to him/her and her friends at the time of the chat). The point here is that the chat room is open to all members and thus to have such private talks between friends on there as suggested will isolate other members. Every member should feel free to enter and take part in the chat room at any time.

I think that maybe another thread should be started to clarify and discuss some of the issues raised here just so that it helps everyone.

 

[Mechi]

private I meant in the way that you can have easily the illusion when there's only two ppl in there (shown at least) those two can think they do talk privately. Because when you do come in as first you can't read what was talked on before (as a simple member not a mod at least). And it is different for ppl if they just talk to another someone or if they do post on a message board where member or not member can read it mainly. Because when you leave the chat it's simply gone! Because when someone else joins the chat they can't read what was said before. that's why.

And now laugh if you want but usually ppl call me intelligent and I wasn't aware it's not private in case it's only me and only one other person in there shown! If it would have been only cass and me in there I'd might said a few things and I would get very upset now knowing that someone (whoever) else could read that. Well good for me I wasn't alone and didn't have that illusion of privacy.

If you think ppl do not talk private in chats you just do not have the experiences I do lol because sheeeeeeesh you should know about the 'couple' talks some had in mjifc.

And yes it is relevant for me if other ppl can read pms I'm sending here on the forum also, very relevant.

Again... it's all up to you guys... I can't achieve the chat neither any of those other services at the moment anyways cuz it's constantly not showing up on my computer. But yeah it all will determine if I'll go on here as I always did.
Nevertheless... if someone is reading what's said in there... why shouldn't ppl know? Why not right to the face from the very beginning?

 

[GiveintomeMJ]

from my experiance, any chat on the internet that you engage in via a website, forum, etc. has a recording feature... we don't want to do a big brother thing but we also have to protect members, what if someone made a serious threat in the chat. i would feel better knowing if we had a predator in our chat that we could go to a log and pull it up for authorities or to ban the member or something.

idk if its possible to put a warning on there but you should know that on any website, ppl can always be watching... not just MJJC... i'm sure they had that ability on MJIFC too...

 

[Forever_Mike]

^^ As I said in my post Mechi that is my take on the subject so not sure where the issue of peeps calling you intelligent comes from Lol, but hey each to their own.

As I said b4 a thread should be started to clear things up, that way we can all be on the same page regarding PMs, invincible mods etc

Just one last thing the internet is not very private.