BAD 25 - 2012 - General Discussion [Closed] please cont. discussion in BAD25 Announcement thread

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I will, dammit! :beee: Vintage all the way! :wild:


You watch your BAD concert on this TV set:

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And I'll watch it on this tv:

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OT, but interesting:

[h=2]3D Holographic TV’s Very Possible And Will Happen By 2020[/h]Display technology is a very fast-growing area in the global economy, and Sony has been a huge player in it for a while. In the last twenty years we have seen amazing improvements with such technology. In the last few years however the predominant focus in television technology has been the outro of Plasma and the rise of LCD. A new challenger is being ushered in by Sony, which is OLED, but what are we expecting a decade or so from now? It’s Holographic TV’s, and major barriers that restricted the technology from becoming a consumer electronics item have been broken.
There are people working on the technology as I write this, and its maturing rapidly with each passing year. The Japanese Government is pushing huge financial and technical weight into the development of three-dimensional, virtual-reality television, and the country’s Communications Ministry is aiming at having such technology available by 2020. Sony would obviously be involved with this in some capacity as they have always been at the forefront of display technology. However, it is being reported that there aren’t any real big sponsors from the consumer electronics industry in this technology..yet.
CNN writes, “Dr Nasser Peyghambarian, chair of photonics and lasers at the university’s Optical Sciences department, told CNN that scientists have broken a barrier by making the first updatable three-dimensional displays with memory.
“This is a prerequisite for any type of moving holographic technology. The way it works presently is not suitable for 3-D images,” he said.
The researchers produced displays that can be erased and rewritten in a matter of minutes. To create television sets the images would need to be changing multiple times each second — but Peyghambarian is very optimistic this can happen. He said the University of Arizona team, which is now ten-strong, has been working on advancing hologram technology since 1990 — so this is a major step forward. He believes that much of the difficulty in creating a holographic set has now been overcome.”
Examples of how this technology would work is a display of a football game on a table, or movie characters able to appear and disappear between walls. The potential is unlimited, and could essentially turn households into a movie set. Imagine a war scene inserted into your living room from an wall-based 3D Holographic Projector, where your couch could be the bunker that movie characters use to hide from suppresive gunfire and grenades. There are also several applications beyond the home the technology could be used at, such as military and medical displays for optimal efficiency and accuracy.
I would hope that if the technology does become mainstream one day that they have a set up system for the room the holographic television is being installed in. If objects and items in your home could be mapped out and integrated into the action somehow. The world would have to update their broadcast and film equipment as well for this technology, since conventional camera work probably could suffice to be a true source for holographic 3D. So, while the thought process behind this is attractive, there are still many barriers and upgrades needed to make it work.
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[h=1]The Art and Science of Streaming Action Transmission Holography[/h]77

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[h=2]Streaming 3D holographic video can be done in a few ways[/h]
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Digital is one way to go to create a full color streaming holographic video. Over the last year or two, 3D TV has been entering the market.Source: http://www.gearfuse.com/3d-holographic-video-comin...
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Real projection holography can be made integral with a group of real people. The possibilities are limited only by the imagination.
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In this instance, the illusion is created with two convex mirrors face to face. The real object is placed inside and a still, full color transmission hologram appears as if sitting on top.Source: http://www.brosscar.com/gadgets-2/3d-holograms-of-...
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Security holograms that are incorporated in a vast array of commodities make them hard to counterfeit.Source: http://hologramtrademark.com/


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[h=2]There is more than one way to make holograms[/h]Holograms have been around almost since the time of the invention of the Laser. In fact, holography in its original form was invented in 1947 by a Hungarian physicist Dennis Gabor. The first practical holographic photo was taken using a laser in 1962. As with photography, holograms started in a monochrome format; that is; one color. That color was a very specific kind being of one wavelength and coherent, which means that But the similarity with photography departs from a two dimensional presentation to a three dimensional presentation. Out of several methods to construct a hologram, there are two basic kinds of holograms. In one case, one can view the three dimensional image in ordinary light as one looks at the film surface. In the transmission variety, a laser is shone through the film and the image is projected outside of the film in a three dimensional image. In the really good transmission holograms, something to project the image into is required like a light mist or smoke. Today' transmission holograms can also be done in full color and in live motion, hence the term &#8220;streaming action transmission hologram.


In all cases with laser holography, holograms are constructed with the use of coherent light, usually from a laser. This is split into two beams by a lightly silvered glass reflector that allows some laser light to pass through, while some is reflected. One beam is allowed to bounce off a target image that is being photographed. The other is used as a &#8220;reference beam&#8221; and does nothing more than to interact with the image bounced light on a film surface. Together, the light beams create an interference pattern that is what gives us the illusion of peering through the film to the three dimensional image behind it. Holograms have evolved to a huge number of types and applications. These range from security applications on script money, credit cards and photo identification to three dimensional live streaming transmission hologram that creates the illusion of actual events taking place, but have no substance in the material.


The idea of the three dimensional live streaming transmission hologram is based on existing technology incorporating film, mirrors, lasers and projectors. Nor are lasers the only way to create live streaming holographic full color transmissions, but for the most part, lasers are involved, but this is changing rapidly. Holograms today can be done digitally without lasers at all. There is an increasing trend to use digital photography in the construction of holograms that are manipulated by software. These have real potential of evolving to full color live streaming holographic images, or said in another way, three dimensional film, such as is becoming the rage with 3D TV. Today's live streaming transmission holograms often rely on the use of polarized glasses and are thus only a mimic of the real thing where no polarized glasses are required.


During the World Exposition of 1986, a live streaming projected holographic transmission was displayed in front of astonished audiences in the Aboriginal Pavilion. The images were of First Nation themes, but the three dimensional, full color, animated images of Salish First Nations iconography and myth was fascinating to say the least. Smoke was used as the &#8220;screen&#8221; upon which the live streaming images were projected. This was First Nation art taken to the next level. This was then and now the art has been perfected to a high level and can be accomplished with or without lasers and projected on &#8220;screen&#8221; media such as clouds or a fog bank. A fine diffuse mist will also serve and the images can beprojected around a crowd of people where some are real people and others are images of whatever the artist imagines or desires.


Another way to transmit full color three dimensional live streaming images is via a network of crystal spheres linked by fiber optics. With these, there is no deterioration of image from source to viewing location. However, materials being what they are, a long distance transmission will require booster technology along the way. The one disadvantage of this kind of transmission is size limitation. This is not a problem with digital or laser based versions of holographic movies. For the most part, this technology is being used for entertainment and security purposes. However, there is a sinister application as well, in the theater of war and psychological operations to deceive and confuse combatants.


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^^^
What does this info has to do with BAD 25?? You're wasting forum space man!

:lol:
 
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What does this info has to do with BAD 25?? You're wasting forum space man!

:lol:

On the contrary, this is hypothetical. Imagine BAD25 videos and concert on a holographic tv :D

As far as space is concerned, I am contributing to the activity of the forum. No replies = dead forum. :D
 
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YEAH SPONGEBOB!!!

yeah, it would be good if they did a box set where on the first disc it was Live in Tokyo with the red shirt, the second disc either live in Rome or Wembley, and the third disc L.A Jan. 27th 1989 and the fourth disc Pensicola and Barcelona and the Rome rehearsal footage all on Blu-Ray remastered to full 1080p HD quality.

Those are what I've been suggesting as a 3 disc set, well except the Toyko 87', because in my version is well you know what I'm talking about, I've been saying this like countless times, I bet the 4 disc set is an even better idea.

I hope they release Moowalker on Blu Ray for NA....this was an important part of the Bad Era. And membe the Sega game for the new consoles.

They never officially release Moonwalker on DVD in NA, they better release it on Blu-Ray in that region too. I don't wanna get the unofficial thing like I did last time getting the unofficial DVD a few Christmas ago.
 
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^^Although Moonwalker Blu-ray is never officially released in North America, I managed to buy a copy from Amazon. I have no problem playing it with my Sony Blu-ray disc player. Watching Smooth Criminal in Blu-ray format is such a treat. The version on Vision doesn't do it justice at all.
 
On the contrary, this is hypothetical. Imagine BAD25 videos and concert on a holographic tv :D

As far as space is concerned, I am contributing to the activity of the forum. No replies = dead forum. :D

Indeed. You got a point. But all that won't happen before 2020.

So first things first and release all the short films in it's entirety on Bluray together with the BAD tour live in LA 1989 on bluray!

Then we will go from there. :lol:
 
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I'd really want to see how many people would be pissed if they'd release LA 89 instead of Wembley. I mean, I know they'll probably release Wembley, but I'm just saying... :lol:
 
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are we sure sony is going to release a live dvd?? any confirmation?
 
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Hmmm... Without further confirmation from Sony, we will soon exhaust this subject. At one point, we need realization of our excitments. The buildup can't go on forever.
 
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^^Although Moonwalker Blu-ray is never officially released in North America, I managed to buy a copy from Amazon. I have no problem playing it with my Sony Blu-ray disc player. Watching Smooth Criminal in Blu-ray format is such a treat. The version on Vision doesn't do it justice at all.

Same here...Amazon UK ;) I play it in my PS3....I don't even watch Vision...The quality is something to be desired :fear: And I don't even think it's the full version of Smooth Criminal on Vision, is it?

Oh, and Come Together on BluRay :wild:
 
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Same here...Amazon UK ;) I play it in my PS3....I don't even watch Vision...The quality is something to be desired :fear: And I don't even think it's the full version of Smooth Criminal on Vision, is it?

Oh, and Come Together on BluRay :wild:

Don't think the one on Vision is the full version. I don't touch Vision at all. There is no point when the quality of SC and Come Together is so much better on Moonwalker.

Also, MITM at the beginning is breathtaking. The BAD tour must be recorded in film. I mean why would they shot MITM with high quality film and other segments of the concert in more inferior quality. Just doesn't make sense to me.

The BAD tour Blu-ray should be stragiht forward. The keys are to locate the material and get a very good editor to work on the film.
 
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Don't think the one on Vision is the full version. I don't touch Vision at all. There is no point when the quality of SC and Come Together is so much better on Moonwalker.

Also, MITM at the beginning is breathtaking. The BAD tour must be recorded in film. I mean why would they shot MITM with high quality film and other segments of the concert in more inferior quality. Just doesn't make sense to me.

The BAD tour Blu-ray should be stragiht forward. The keys are to locate the material and get a very good editor to work on the film.

Actually, you know what I find quite funny? That Vision doesn't even play in my PS3! Strange...Kinda sucks since I don't even own a DVD player...lol...

Yes, I was gonna add that MITM is amazing on BluRay...Really captures that magic...when it first starts with the audience, lighters up, that huge span of the audience....Really sets the mood...

I'm sure the BAD tour was recorded in film...I think Michael made sure of that for almost anything he had filmed, no?

BluRay is the way to go...It'd be QUITE disappointing if it were released on DVD ..
 
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Some minor Bad 25 news, but it's better than nothing:

SIEDAH GARRETT ? @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to being interviewed by Spike Lee today for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1863103&l=210da30a66&id=228973190450891


EDIT: Above tweet was deleted.

SIEDAH GARRETT ? @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to my interview today with @SpikeLee for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release of MJ's Bad Album!
 
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Some minor Bad 25 news, but it's better than nothing:

SIEDAH GARRETT ? @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to being interviewed by Spike Lee today for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1863103&l=210da30a66&id=228973190450891

In general, I do hope any commentary about the Bad era/music/album/tour is kept separate from the CD...I don't want to hear any audio on the CD (unless it's Michael talking lol ;))
 
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BTW, holograms:
Do you remember this?

3D scans of MJ faces, they were made in 1996 for GHOSTS, so these are MJs real face features... captured for the possible projects in the future.

Michael-Jackson-3D-Scan.jpg


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From the eBay Listing:
The original 3D scan data of Michael Jackson. It also includes the color map from this scan in either CPV or UV maps. This data was collected using the same equipment that creates the data used to create video games and or CGI avatars to make him speak, laugh, sing or dance.
I must emphasize that the sale of this scan data is subject to the purchaser agreeing to clear the proper rights with the MJ Estate before it is publicly used in a promotional or commercial manner.



 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Bad Tour doesn't come out at all. We've had abosolutely no confirmation at all. Im worried that there are going to be ALOT of dissapointed people this year, including me!!
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Bad Tour doesn't come out at all. We've had abosolutely no confirmation at all. Im worried that there are going to be ALOT of dissapointed people this year, including me!!
When I think about it, I am at least 100% sure we're getting a BAD re-release album, but I'm NOT 100% sure we're getting a concert.
 
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^^ well, in that case, I really hope the right people are reading this thread ;)
 
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The only thing that would be stopping Sony/The Estate from releasing a Bad Tour DVD is copyright/publishing or something of that nature. There is no doubt it would sell well, especially if they market it properly. People are always interested in seeing Michael performing live in his prime. And that was his prime as a live performer.
 
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I have a feeling that an bad re-release album will come, no dvd or blu ray :( ..I just feel it!
*sad*
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Bad Tour doesn't come out at all. We've had abosolutely no confirmation at all. Im worried that there are going to be ALOT of dissapointed people this year, including me!!

That's my biggest fear. If they don't release a Bad DVD... the fans will be so disappointed. It's not going to be pretty. The estate has only once chance to celebrate the 25th anniversary. Are they going to mess it up??? Ugh!
 
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Well I'm hoping they use the same logic as when TII was released...Not just fans, but I believe anyone would be interested in a live concert release of MJ...the success of TII proved that...I believe the general public will always want to relive that magic and excitement..general public may not be too interested in a re-release of the Bad album (unless it's promoted to the max) but I think anyone would want to see Michael in his prime as a live entertainer...so I think it's a promising target for all music lovers, really...

If they don't release any BluRay or DVD, I will really lose the little faith I have left for the Estate...
 
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if we don't get the BAD Tour second leg on DVD or Blu-Ray this year then the estate aren't doing anything right.
 
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I have a feeling that an bad re-release album will come, no dvd or blu ray :( ..I just feel it!
*sad*

I don't know why I feel the same. It's strange. My subconsciousness is telling me to get ready for disappointment. I hope to be wrong and be pleasantly surprised.

Well I'm hoping they use the same logic as when TII was released...Not just fans, but I believe anyone would be interested in a live concert release of MJ...the success of TII proved that...I believe the general public will always want to relive that magic and excitement..general public may not be too interested in a re-release of the Bad album (unless it's promoted to the max) but I think anyone would want to see Michael in his prime as a live entertainer...so I think it's a promising target for all music lovers, really...

If they don't release any BluRay or DVD, I will really lose the little faith I have left for the Estate...


Honestly, a re-packaged BAD CD with a bunch of people talking and/or a documentary directed by Spike Lee with a bunch of people talking is not going to spark my interest. Sorry, but like someone said earlier, I have listened and read comments from Michael's collaborators million times.

I want to re-live the magic that is Michael Jackson. It really is a shame that BAD is not available in better quality. The only full concert we have is Yokohoma 1987. God... I wish they do away those dreadful dripping and fading effects in Thriller and Human Nature.
 
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I don't know why I feel the same. It's strange. My subconsciousness is telling me to get ready for disappointment. I hope to be wrong and be pleasantly surprised.




Honestly, a re-packaged BAD CD with a bunch of people talking and/or a documentary directed by Spike Lee with a bunch of people talking is not going to spark my interest. Sorry, but like someone said earlier, I have listened and read comments from Michael's collaborators million times.

I want to re-live the magic that is Michael Jackson. It really is a shame that BAD is not available in better quality. The only full concert we have is Yokohoma 1987. God... I wish they do away those dreadful dripping and fading effects in Thriller and Human Nature.

I'm really not trying to get my hopes up for a BluRay/DVD...At least then I won't be disappointed (although, I still will be :()

But that's very true - if they only re-package the CD with a documentary, no one but hardcore fans will be interested (and even then, maybe not)...But if they include a DVD/BluRay release, they have a MUCH better chance at making this HUGE...No matter people's interest in MJ, there will ALWAYS be an interest in his live performances...Especially presented in the way they are supposed to be presented - in the highest quality possible...

They'd make a big mistake too if they include audio in the CDs (put it in the booklet or something)...Waste of space when they could use that space for unreleased material....Personally, I've only listened to the audio in the special editions of OTW, Thriller, and Bad maybe once...So that goes to show that even a hardcore fan isn't really interested in that part....At least for me anyway...
 
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I'm really not trying to get my hopes up for a BluRay/DVD...At least then I won't be disappointed (although, I still will be :()

But that's very true - if they only re-package the CD with a documentary, no one but hardcore fans will be interested (and even then, maybe not)...But if they include a DVD/BluRay release, they have a MUCH better chance at making this HUGE...No matter people's interest in MJ, there will ALWAYS be an interest in his live performances...Especially presented in the way they are supposed to be presented - in the highest quality possible...

They'd make a big mistake too if they include audio in the CDs (put it in the booklet or something)...Waste of space when they could use that space for unreleased material....Personally, I've only listened to the audio in the special editions of OTW, Thriller, and Bad maybe once...So that goes to show that even a hardcore fan isn't really interested in that part....At least for me anyway...

The thing is how many times I need to listen to Quincy Jones talking about Michael meeting with Prince? I heard it once and committed to my memory. Quincy talking isn't really music or great speech. It's not worth repeat listening. I agree with you it's a waste of disk space. Same with the documentary DVD - exactly how many times can people watch and listen to a bunch of people talking?

The Spike Lee documentary (assuming it's just interviews with the collaborators) would make sense if being used as a promotional tool, preferably being broadcast on TV. But, I wouldn't think it's possible in this day and age. May be they'll release the documentary on YouTube.

You know what's my worst nightmare? That they release all sort of Bad 25 merchandise like, T-shirt, key chain, pencil sharpener, baby onesie, etc. etc., but the Bad Tour DVD/Blu-ray.
 
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I like the idea of Spike's documentary. I know some of you may not have an interest in listening to Michael's collaborators but I love listening about the creative process and how the music came about. Since Bad is my favorite album and so much went down during 1985-87, I'm looking forward to hearing from the people who worked on it :)

My main "want" is unreleased songs though :)

I do want to see a Bad Tour concert and it NEEDS to be part of the reissue, I'm talking "MUST BE INCLUDED". Now if they release it seperately, then okay, but not at all? They'd be out of the minds if they don't
 
Re: BAD 25 - 2012 - Official Discussion Thread

@mj_brainiac...I see what you are saying about the documentary...For me, if it is stuff we have not heard before, then it would be a good thing...But if it is a re-hash of the same thing we have heard before, I am really not interested...

The thing is how many times I need to listen to Quincy Jones talking about Michael meeting with Prince? I heard it once and committed to my memory. Quincy talking isn't really music or great speech. It's not worth repeat listening. I agree with you it's a waste of disk space. Same with the documentary DVD - exactly how many times can people watch and listen to a bunch of people talking?

The Spike Lee documentary (assuming it's just interviews with the collaborators) would make sense if being used as a promotional tool, preferably being broadcast on TV. But, I wouldn't think it's possible in this day and age. May be they'll release the documentary on YouTube.

You know what's my worst nightmare? That they release all sort of Bad 25 merchandise like, T-shirt, key chain, pencil sharpener, baby onesie, etc. etc., but the Bad Tour DVD/Blu-ray.

Yeah, with TII extras, I was a little disappointed...All the on-screen talking of Kenny, Michael Bearden...its all well and good to hear it once, but I wanted to see more MICHAEL...Like, watching the Dancing Machine part of Michael and Travis in the dance studio, or Michael singing those little bits of DSTYGE (how pissed was I when they talked over that part!)...People do not wanna hear them talking, they want that raw footage of Michael as a performer....So, I really hope they dont make that mistake again...

Ooooh, yes that would be a nightmare....Who cares about a pencil sharpener!! :hysterical: Can you picture someone with a BAD pencil sharpener in one hand and a BAD DVD or BluRay in the other hand, saying hmmm...I wonder which one to choose! looool
 
Re: BAD 25 - 2012 - Official Discussion Thread

I like the idea of Spike's documentary. I know some of you may not have an interest in listening to Michael's collaborators but I love listening about the creative process and how the music came about. Since Bad is my favorite album and so much went down during 1985-87, I'm looking forward to hearing from the people who worked on it :)

My main "want" is unreleased songs though :)

I do want to see a Bad Tour concert and it NEEDS to be part of the reissue, I'm talking "MUST BE INCLUDED". Now if they release it seperately, then okay, but not at all? They'd be out of the minds if they don't

Don't get me wrong. I like listening to Michael's collaborators. I want to learn as much about Michael's creative process as possible. But, I don't want the commentary or documentary to be the only added features of the re-release.

Yeah, with TII extras, I was a little disappointed...All the on-screen talking of Kenny, Michael Bearden...its all well and good to hear it once, but I wanted to see more MICHAEL...Like, watching the Dancing Machine part of Michael and Travis in the dance studio, or Michael singing those little bits of DSTYGE (how pissed was I when they talked over that part!)...People do not wanna hear them talking, they want that raw footage of Michael as a performer....So, I really hope they dont make that mistake again...

Ooooh, yes that would be a nightmare....Who cares about a pencil sharpener!! :hysterical: Can you picture someone with a BAD pencil sharpener in one hand and a BAD DVD or BluRay in the other hand, saying hmmm...I wonder which one to choose! looool

I'm sure Bumpy would pick the pencil sharpener! :lmao:
 
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