Can MJ still sing smooth and clear on Fast Dance Tracks?

smooth is boring ;) lol

MJ never sang anything in one style all of the time.

And all the fast tracks on invincible except maybe 2000 Watts and Invincible, MJ didn't sing the whole song in a gritty voice. Some elements were gritty, some weren't. Parts that called for grittiness and agressiveness "You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing"....he brought aggressiveness. Parts that called for smoothness, (YRMW's verses and chorus)...he brought smoothness.

Come on, imagine MJ backing off on some songs and "sweetly" and "smoothly" singing the Whatever Happens adlibs, "Don't you let go baby!" when it cause for serious emotion and aggression? Or Heaven Can Wait's "NOOO!"...i mean, obviously the song and emotions in that song causes for that. But songs like Butterflies, break of dawn...u don't hear any aggression in that cuz it doesn't cause for any. Neither does much of "YRMW".

Excellent observations! :yes:
 
I agree MJ sings smooth on ballads like Heaven Can Wait and Break of Dawn. Butterflies is more Mid-Tempo,so is Whatever happens.

My point was on his up tempo tracks it seems like he has been grunting with his voice since the History era on dance tracks with the exception of maybe YRMW which is Mid-Tempo. Even on the Dangerous album, "Can't let her get away", and" She Drives Me Wild" his is grunting to much on the lead vocals. His backgournd vocals sound great.

Unbreakable and Heartbreaker just were not hot dance tracks. That 'Don't stop to you get enough" type level or " Wanna be Starting Something" level. Even "PYT"

I think it's the style of vocal arrangement that he is using.
 
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I agree MJ sings smooth on ballads like Heaven Can Wait and Break of Dawn. Butterflies is more Mid-Tempo,so is Whatever happens.

My point was on his up tempo tracks it seems like he has been grunting with his voice since the History era on dance tracks with the exception of maybe YRMW which is Mid-Tempo. Even on the Dangerous album, "Can't let her get away", and" She Drives Me Wild" his is grunting to much on the lead vocals. His backgournd vocals sound great.

Unbreakable and Heartbreaker just were not hot dance tracks. That 'Don't stop to you get enough" type level or " Wanna be Starting Something" level. Even "PYT"

I think it's the style of vocal arrangement that he is using.

Ok...I think I took this totally the wrong way...and I apologize. I don't think he was any grittier sounding than previously recorded.
 
yep its style. It's not that he can't do it, but he likes that style.

Soooo I guess u just got a negative opinion on the style he's adapted.
 
I agree MJ sings smooth on ballads like
Unbreakable and Heartbreaker just were not hot dance tracks. That 'Don't stop to you get enough" type level or " Wanna be Starting Something" level. Even "PYT"
I think it's the style of vocal arrangement that he is using.


I totally agree... his uptempos from back in the day are totally different from his recent up tempos.. too much grunting and screaming going on. Not enough singing. Give me "don't stop", "working day & night" "wanna be starting something" over " Invincible", "Unbreakable", "Black or white" anyday
 
Usher sings fast, but it comes out smooth and he's singing the song. A good example is "Yeah" and "Caught Up" in 2004. Caught Up is a fast track,but he's still singing the song with soulful vocals and there clear.

Maybe it's the songs that MJ is choosing and he just wants to sing like that. I just think the mainstream prefers soulful Mike. Just reading comments from non fans on other forums. They dont like when he sings in the angry voice to much. Thats why you always hear, MJ got to bring back that Off The Wall flava.

You are so correct! I have never liked the angry, gritty, Michael voice. When I think of Michael, the first song that comes to my mind is I Wanna Rock With You. And it is because to me, that song...along with others like Liberian Girl, Baby Be Mine, The Girl Is Mine, You Are Not Alone and Girlfriend truly show off his amazing, beautiful voice. And that is the way I want to hear him singing on his new album. I want Michael to bring back the beautiful vocals. No angry stuff. I also say he has to bring back Off The Wall Michael.
 
well I for one, like Michael singing smoothly. His fast songs of recent times with the exception of "rock my world" are sung to loud and aggressively. His voice is straining too much. I agree with the non-fans that Mike needs to get back to actually singing instead of grunting and hollering

Exactly! He needs to get back to singing with his beautiful style.
 
i don't think he's lost any of his styles...as said before, it may have varied more though...

anyway, i can't get enough of the Invincible cd..i play it over and over and over...and..

and personally i think his style has always been the same. i think this is like trying to distinguish between a song from 1982 and 1988, only after seeing that one song was from 1982 and the other was from 1988. there's no discernable difference...until someone gets info on the years.
 
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there's nothing he need to 'get back' too. MJ's smooth ballads from the 80's still manifest in Invincible. MJ's style varies, he's versatile.
 
Versatile is right. Michael is probably the most versatile vocalist I've ever heard. He can sing in any style, in any genre, and his octave range is such that it allows him to sing from base to high tenor with great effortlessness. Michael's had a rough edge to his vocals on up-tempo tracks since "Off The Wall", if you listen to "Working Day and Night", "Off The Wall", "Burn This Disco Out", etc... He isn't singing in the same style he is on songs like "She's Out Of My Life" or "I Can't Help It". And of course, he's simply adopted a more distinct style as the years progressed. His voice didn't even really reach full maturity I don't think until around the time of "Bad" and his octave range improved in the 90s from what it was in the 80s. Listen to Michael's contrast on songs like "Smooth Criminal" as compared to "Liberian Girl", or "Dirty Diana" as opposed to "IJCSLY". It's a style Michael likes to adopt. He's been putting a rough edge on his voice for up-tempo tracks since he was a young adult. Another thing that really annoys me is people's lack of appreciation for the timing involved and the control involved in the style Michael often adopts for his up-tempo tracks. People refer to it as hollaring and grunting. But they fail to grasp just how difficult it is to sing in such a way. Michael's ability to incorporate those musical hiccups, grunts, yelps, etc... while still keeping in time with the music, still keeping with the rhythm, the beat and the melody, is nothing short of amazing, and his ability to sing with that staccatto style, shortening and clipping each word, singing it rapidly, stopping it cleanly and accutely, and moving into the next word, it's brilliant technique, and one VERY few other singers would be capable of.
 
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Initial question goes from no established fact, because Michael can sing clear on faster tracks such as YRMW, Invincible, Xcape.

So why all the talks here about "voice changing with age", when no "change" can be registered at all? Since 1991 Michael added use of lower voice on some of his songs, but that range did not appear in 1990s -- it was always with him, according to his voice coach.

Jackson simply decided to use sometimes lower tones and that it it. High pitches did got disappear, all of it still with Michael. Clear voice did not disappear, when Jackson wants to use it, either.

Thus all talks about Michael supposedly not being able to "sing smooth and clear on Fast Dance Tracks" come from nowhere and directly contradict to audio materials we have from Jackson in recent years. Also, no worsening of range in higher octaves registered.
 
Right, exactly denis. Seth has even said that Michael, in the 80s, while he always had the ability to sing in a lower register, chose to sing in a higher one simply because it gave him greater flexability on pop songs. His range actually improved in the 90s and as you said, he began to sing more frequently using his lower range.
 
I agree with the latest three posts.

Some people are not used to versatility and cannot fully grasp on exactly what a work of art these voice techniques Michael uses in his songs truly are. He sings more viscerally, he sings more with his bowels and more from the depths of his heart in some of his songs, then he switches to that wonderful melodicity and bird-like liquidity, he makes beautiful, unexpected balances, and many times in the same song. But he is still ethereal and airy and liquid, he is never a one-voice man, he is an orchestra of instruments, he beatboxes, he emotes, he breathes music.

You can't tell a person to sing the way you want to all the time, he sings with his own feelings, with what his own urges and instincts tell him, and if he feels he just wants to scream and grunt his fears and sorrows away (i.e. "I can't take it, cuz I'm lonely"), he means it, so he can't keep it inside, so let him do it, and by the way, I think he screams beautifully, while many other singers would scream embarrassingly, so even screaming is a difficult thing to incorporate in a song. He does what the song tell him to do and, at the same time, tries to control it. He would sound ridiculous singing that verse in the "Human Nature" style. He adapts deep feelings to his works, coherence, soul; he is not a cookie-cutter artist, he is both a wonderful blend between the old and the innovative, unprecedented, he can be listened to by all types of people of all ages, from children, to adults, to the elderly, because his versatile voice suits all these categories. And he was inspired by other "furious" artists in singing, like James Brown, Jackie Wilson or Little Richard and the like, and he combines all these influences with his own unique style. He is an awfully passionate artist, both in singing and in dancing, and he combines fury with mildness perfectly in both singing and dancing, in my opinion. Let him be free.

There is way too much whining lately regarding anything Michael, it is negative and unpleasant and childish already. Especially since it is repeated over and over again in many threads. If you don't like listening to him anymore, just stop listening to him and you'll eliminate a further stressful time, concerning both you and the posters not agreeing with you.
 
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I agree with you Alma. MJ sings from the heart. and when he sings he touches people. It is spiritual too. Let him sing from the heart. Let him be free. If you don't like it don't buy it. End of.
 
then he switches to that wonderful melodicity and bird-like liquidity, he makes beautiful, unexpected balances, and many times in the same song.

Yep the proof is in the pudding. MORPHINE. Nuff said.

There is way too much whining lately regarding anything Michael, it is negative and unpleasant and childish already. Especially since it is repeated over and over again in many threads.

THank you. its like when one thread is exhausted, someone is determined to make another one. Its aaannnoyyying.
 
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Soooooooooo............ PYT, Repeat after me -

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The answer is simple:

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Do you still need more??? Those are the colors of Romania flag, so if some of you still don't get it, I'lll post more YES into Romanias's colors right now! lol And I will still bold tha damn text! :p :lol:

Soooooooooo............ PYT, Repeat after me -

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with echo fading... Yesyesyes.....

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there ya go. u r right
 
I agree with the latest three posts.

Some people are not used to versatility and cannot fully grasp on exactly what a work of art these voice techniques Michael uses in his songs truly are. He sings more viscerally, he sings more with his bowels and more from the depths of his heart in some of his songs, then he switches to that wonderful melodicity and bird-like liquidity, he makes beautiful, unexpected balances, and many times in the same song. But he is still ethereal and airy and liquid, he is never a one-voice man, he is an orchestra of instruments, he beatboxes, he emotes, he breathes music.

You can't tell a person to sing the way you want to all the time, he sings with his own feelings, with what his own urges and instincts tell him, and if he feels he just wants to scream and grunt his fears and sorrows away (i.e. "I can't take it, cuz I'm lonely"), he means it, so he can't keep it inside, so let him do it, and by the way, I think he screams beautifully, while many other singers would scream embarrassingly, so even screaming is a difficult thing to incorporate in a song. He does what the song tell him to do and, at the same time, tries to control it. He would sound ridiculous singing that verse in the "Human Nature" style. He adapts deep feelings to his works, coherence, soul; he is not a cookie-cutter artist, he is both a wonderful blend between the old and the innovative, unprecedented, he can be listened to by all types of people of all ages, from children, to adults, to the elderly, because his versatile voice suits all these categories. And he was inspired by other "furious" artists in singing, like James Brown, Jackie Wilson or Little Richard and the like, and he combines all these influences with his own unique style. He is an awfully passionate artist, both in singing and in dancing, and he combines fury with mildness perfectly in both singing and dancing, in my opinion. Let him be free.

There is way too much whining lately regarding anything Michael, it is negative and unpleasant and childish already. Especially since it is repeated over and over again in many threads. If you don't like listening to him anymore, just stop listening to him and you'll eliminate a further stressful time, concerning both you and the posters not agreeing with you.

i second this. MJ is a different vocalist from anyone in history. most people are afraid to remake his songs. he is constantly something new..so there really is no point of reference on which to base the idea that he's doing anything wrong, vocally.
 
Yes he can still sing smooth and clear on fast dance tracks. His voice has ultered over time. Not very different, but it has changed.

With each album Michael does more and more stylizing, Michael has came to be known for mixing his soft sweet vocals with rough edges. It's his 'style'. He can still sing like a bird.. Yes if he recorded the same track the same way from lets say 25 years ago, you'll notice a difference. It will be somewhat deeper, vibratto is a bitt more pernounced, breathing techniques are different. But the quality is very little difference..
 
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You know, with several people, vocals actually get BETTER as you age....really! Paul Anka is a prime example of this. Listen to him when he was younger....not very good. But as he got older, his voice matured and sounds so much better...
 
Indeed, you don't actually hit your vocal peak until around the age of 35 and it lasts, if you take good care of your voice, which Michael obviously does, until you're around the age of 55.
 
Indeed, you don't actually hit your vocal peak until around the age of 35 and it lasts, if you take good care of your voice, which Michael obviously does, until you're around the age of 55.

Not necessarily true....55 is NOT the limit....Paul Anka STILL sounds great, and he's 67!! MJ and him have a lot in common...they were both child prodigies...

Another ABSOLUTELY STUNNING older male vocalist comes to mind to me as well. Johnny Mathis. Talk about your FANTASTIC voice. And HE'S 73!!!!
 
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Not necessarily true....55 is NOT the limit....Paul Anka STILL sounds great, and he's 67!! MJ and him have a lot in common...they were both child prodigies...

Another ABSOLUTELY STUNNING older male vocalist comes to mind to me as well. Johnny Mathis. Talk about your FANTASTIC voice. And HE'S 73!!!!
I love Jonny Mathis. Is he still singing? I hate when they put these great people out to pastor. I switched channel several months ago and saw this very old man singing on stage, I was so mezmarised and I couldn't do anyhing else but to watch. I later learned that he was Tony Bennet. My brother was so disappointed that I didn' call him to watch. The man must 80. Bring back the legends I say. Put them back on tv so that young people can learn from them I hardly watch tv anymore because I don't like what is on it. I would most certainly watch Jonny Mathis, Andy Williamn, Chuck berry, Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin. Real talents.
 
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Not necessarily true....55 is NOT the limit....Paul Anka STILL sounds great, and he's 67!! MJ and him have a lot in common...they were both child prodigies...

Another ABSOLUTELY STUNNING older male vocalist comes to mind to me as well. Johnny Mathis. Talk about your FANTASTIC voice. And HE'S 73!!!!

Well that's just a general age range for voice peak. Of course many great vocalists retain their vocal talent into much older ages. Michael is definitly one of those singers who will never lose his voice. I laugh when people ask whether he can still sing or not. You don't lose your talent unless you abuse it, and Michael knows how to take care of his voice. He'll always have his voice.
 
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Well that's just a general age range for voice peak. Of course many great vocalists retain their vocal talent into much older ages. Michael is definitly one of those singers who will never lose his voice. I laugh when people ask whether he can still sing or not. You don't lose your talent unless you abuse it, and Michael knows how to take care of his voice. He'll always have his voice.

The voice is like any other type of musculature in your body...75% of your vocal cords are muscle. Like any muscle, you need to keep it in condition. That's right. It needs regular daily exercises. As we get older, yes we tend to lose some of that muscle tone, but the ones who do daily workouts for the voice - their larynx and voice box tend to get old VERY slowly. MJ is one of those who will continue to sing the way he does for quite a while...
 
From http://www.barbershop.org/web/groups/public/documents/pages/pub_id_059821.hcsp

How many 75-year-old men do you see in the 100-yard dash at the Olympics? Well ... none. But in this hobby, senior members can still compete and participate if they take proper care of their voices.

You may be asking yourself, “Why is this 32-year-old upstart writing about the aging voice?” I like to tell people that I’ve researched this topic so that I could better contribute in rehearsals after an “old guy” joined Uptown Sound. The truth is, I’ve been studying the voice throughout 15 years as a Barbershopper, and especially when I was a music education major at Bowling Green State University. I’ve studied the aging voice for many reasons, including the fact that I have a special responsibility to help the older singers in The Alliance Chorus, which I direct. Likewise, I’ve had to research this topic to better teach older members of my vocal techniques classes at Harmony College and HEP schools. Last, I’m preparing for my sunset years of this hobby; none of us is getting any younger!

It’s not your imagination: your voice really does change as you age

The good news for older singers is that studies show that the male voice, like fine wine, can get better with age. It keeps maturing until around 45, and with proper care can remain stable until at least age 65—and sometimes to age 80 and beyond.

The not-so-good news is that your voice definitely changes as you grow older. For example, the following ravages on the aging voice will make it weaker and less flexible:

* By age 65, the cartilages of the larynx ossify, or turn to less flexible bone, which makes your voice less bendable as well.
* The cartilages responsible for vocal fold movement become less mobile.
* There is often a thinning of the fibers in the vocal folds.
* There is often atrophy of the vocalis muscle, which controls the flip between head and chest voice.
* Changes to the neurological control of the laryngeal muscles can cause bowing (a state where the vocal folds do not come together completely). That gap during vocal production will decrease the control and quality of the voice, making it sound breathy, rough, hoarse and softer.
* The pitch of the voice tends to lower for women and rise for men. (Sorry basses.)

You can minimize the effects of aging

You can’t merely will away the above changes; however, good overall vocal health can minimize the negative effect, allowing you to remain a great singer even into your golden years. As you grow older, you’ll need to pay especially close attention to the following:

* Always use proper vocal technique when you sing or speak. This is important for young singers, too, but more important for older singers, who can rely less on their body’s recovery ability to compensate for poor singing and speaking techniques.
* Do not misuse or overuse your singing or speaking voice. If you are vocally tired or too exhausted to use good vocal technique, take a break. Occasional hoarseness is normal, but as you grow older, recovery from vocal abuse will become longer and more difficult.
* If you have abused your voice, know that most abuse is treatable. However, see a speech pathologist or voice instructor to help establish proper techniques and routines to minimize future misuse and injury.
* Focus on changes in voice quality or endurance. Some changes indicate the presence of serious diseases, some of which could become permanent if not diagnosed and treated.
* Do not smoke.
* Drink a lot of water—64 ounces a day is recommended to keep your body and vocal folds properly hydrated.
* Receive occasional checkups for nodes, polyps, tumors or cysts on the folds. There are many non-invasive treatments possible so surgery is not often necessary. If needed, surgical options include microsurgical removal of growths on the folds. Implants or injections (Botox) into the folds strengthen the voice in cases in which they are bowed or paralyzed.
* Get prompt, thorough vocal treatment if you are diagnosed with or believe you may have chronic acid reflux, gastroesophageal reflux disease, or laryngopharyngeal reflux disease, neurological disorders, thyroid disorders, hormonal imbalance or paralyzed folds.
* Moderate your intake of citrus, tomato juice, coffee, onions, chocolate, peppermint, garlic, alcohol and foods high in fat.
* Do not overeat or go to bed within two or three hours after a meal. This practice, along with weight gain, smoking and alcohol, has been linked to a variety of vocal conditions caused by reflux disorders.
* So take care of your body and voice, sing well, sing from the heart and have fun! Healthy habits can add years of wonderful singing and enjoyment to our hobby!

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There is only one thing wrong with this article. Somehow, I can't picture Michael Jackson singing barbershop....:toofunny:
 
with the right song and he doesn't have to grunt and let it all flow then yeah. but I hope to hear something that truly showcases his range.
 
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