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I am worried Murray is going to get off. I don't feel good about anything. How the trial and prosecution so far is doing. I feel numb and I just feel worried. I am not going to watch when it's the defense turn. I really don't want to see them trash Michael. Who knows what t he jury is thinking. I just wish this was over already and I wish Michael was still here.
 
I wish murray had never been born

murray>>>>>>:black_eye:
murray>>>>>>:chained
murray>>>>>>:tonofbricks
murray>>>>>>:8-25-03bomb:
murray>>>>>>:blowup:
 
Do you know what im most angry about. SOME OF THE FANS!!! DENIAL IS THE WORST LIE!!! Your lying to yourself and everyone else. WHY? Is everyone so upset about the autopsy photo????!!! It's easy to avoid, DONT LOOK AT THE DAMN THING.
I mean do you seriously want this trial to go like you thought it would? With your image of Michael left intact? HOW COULD YOU?! If you ever thought that anything anyone said about his personal life was true in interviews, your already judging someone! Regardless of if its good or bad.
MICHAEL SMOKED WEED FOR MEDICAL REASONS! GET OVER IT FOR CHRIST SAKE! Why is everyone so angry about all this? It's the truth? Are you angry because subconsciously you know Murray's innocent, yet in your conscious self you need someone to blame because of the personal attachment you had to Michael Jackson.... phew i feel better.

I have never been more relieved at the flood of truth from this trial, it gives me a sense of what was going on, allows me to build profiles on the people in Michael's life.
There is one thing i am absolutely sure of, why would Dr Murray, who was a cardiologist, give Michael (On purpose or otherwise) a fatal dose of Propofol???? What's there to gain? Why not pay someone else to do it after he started getting his pay? If he injected the fatal dose, wheres his fingerprints on the stuff he injected?

Dr Murray is not just a scape goat for Michael Jackson fans, he is a scape goat for a real murderer who is laughing at all of this, after killing a man in cold blood.
 
lucilla said:
I can't believe all this :cry:
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Same here :(



I have been mostly avoiding this whole trial and stuff. Because every single time I see that evil monster. I can feel the absolute rage and anger start to build inside of me. To where I almost always have to go and watch one of my revenge Bollywood movies. And I also start to get upset all over again of what he did to my poor beloved Michael. But after hearing about these autopsy pictures that came out. I am really going to avoid watching or hearing anything that has to do with the news. To avoid what happen to me. When I accidentally saw that other picture of Michael that was shown in court. Cause I know it is just going to kill me if I ever see my Michael like that. I am really starting to cry now just by thinking about it. I just thank God that I haven't heard those recordings yet. Nor am I ever going to. Thank God for my video and computer games that I have to play with today. As well as sleeping and reading more of the Left Behind series.
 
IDK how I feel, IDK what to believe, IDK anything.I feel so empty inside.I so want this to be over

What I do know is that I him love even more and I miss him :cry:
 
claudiadoina said:
IDK how I feel, IDK what to believe, IDK anything.I feel so empty inside.I so want this to be over

What I do know is that I him love even more and I miss him :cry:
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It's all a lot to take in and at the same time coping with grief, you are not alone in how you feel :hug:
 
larry141094 said:
Do you know what im most angry about. SOME OF THE FANS!!! DENIAL IS THE WORST LIE!!! Your lying to yourself and everyone else. WHY? Is everyone so upset about the autopsy photo????!!! It's easy to avoid, DONT LOOK AT THE DAMN THING.
I mean do you seriously want this trial to go like you thought it would? With your image of Michael left intact? HOW COULD YOU?! If you ever thought that anything anyone said about his personal life was true in interviews, your already judging someone! Regardless of if its good or bad.
MICHAEL SMOKED WEED FOR MEDICAL REASONS! GET OVER IT FOR CHRIST SAKE! Why is everyone so angry about all this? It's the truth? Are you angry because subconsciously you know Murray's innocent, yet in your conscious self you need someone to blame because of the personal attachment you had to Michael Jackson.... phew i feel better.

I have never been more relieved at the flood of truth from this trial, it gives me a sense of what was going on, allows me to build profiles on the people in Michael's life.
There is one thing i am absolutely sure of, why would Dr Murray, who was a cardiologist, give Michael (On purpose or otherwise) a fatal dose of Propofol???? What's there to gain? Why not pay someone else to do it after he started getting his pay? If he injected the fatal dose, wheres his fingerprints on the stuff he injected?

Dr Murray is not just a scape goat for Michael Jackson fans, he is a scape goat for a real murderer who is laughing at all of this, after killing a man in cold blood.
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Well I'm glad you feel better! Other than you sounding off on your fellow grieving forum members the rest of your post would be better served in your thread in the controversy section, maybe there you can debate the questions you raised.
 
I dont really know how I feel. Since Ive seen these pictures and heard the audio, its just not getting through to me that this is my wonderful Michael. Somehow I dont get it :cry:

I just wish that this will be soon over and that everyone will be okay! *hugs*
 
Misayko said:
I dont really know how I feel. Since Ive seen these pictures and heard the audio, its just not getting through to me that this is my wonderful Michael. Somehow I dont get it :cry:

I just wish that this will be soon over and that everyone will be okay! *hugs*
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Please don't say that.
I didn't see the picture, I didn't hear the audio and I hope I will never do .
But I didn't do that because I feared that it could change anything.NOT AT ALL.
Also wasn't my fear that I couldn't handle that.My biggest fear was that this will be all over the media.And so it is.:boohoo:
 
Misayko said:
I dont really know how I feel. Since Ive seen these pictures and heard the audio, its just not getting through to me that this is my wonderful Michael. Somehow I dont get it :cry:

I just wish that this will be soon over and that everyone will be okay! *hugs*
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That is a natural feeling. It has happened to me too. For the last two weeks I have somehow managed to disassociate Michael from this trial, as though it isn't about him and it is about an abstract person. Even when I saw the first photograph and the audio recording, once I grieved and cried and curled up into a ball, once again I went back to convincing myself none of this is really about him at all. I think it is the mind's way of protecting itself, because the alternative is a total emotional breakdown (at least for me). It is okay to feel like that, just as fans who are worried they seem to be numb shouldn't be worried because that is also a defence mechanism too.

This will all be over soon. Justice is coming. We just have to hold on and be strong until the end of October comes, and we can do that together.

Much love to all xxx
 
@larry141094 Only about the picture issue: So insensitive to judge grieving fans. Some people saw the pic by accident, I didn't even look the damn pic. But the whole situation sucks, so is not like we are "whining" for no f-ing reason.
And now I let off some steam too.
 
larry141094 said:
Look i may not hold the view of a majority of people on the forum. But thats because i dont let my feelings ruin my judgment of the evidence. The evidence does not point to Involuntary manslaughter, it's pointing to Criminal negligence, perhaps aiding and abetting. I don't have all the evidence, so i will not post my own full theory on the site until then. All i can say is, there is no way that the amount of Propofol in Michael's system was accidental, the amounts were so much that the person injecting it would have full knowledge that the amount was lethal. Heres the problem, Murray had no foreseeable motive that is reasonable and fits with the known evidence.
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My reply to you was only based on your comments regarding some people's reaction to the photo. The rest can be debated in the other thread.
 
It doesn´t matter how much propofol Michael got, Murray could have saved him by calling 911,give him som air.
The right rescue equipment wasn´t there but there was a doctor and it would only take 5 minutes for the rescue team to help.
What happened to Michael shouldn´t happen.
He should still be alive.
 
just really upset today about the whole trial. I may take a break for the rest of this week. Feeling very raw about things and feel I need a breather. Can't believe Flanagan brought the chinese study I and some other people posted about and twisted it all around. I am really grateful for all the updates from you hardworking folks here at MJJC. L.O.V.E
 
When they say that Michael would still be here if CM had just things properly ( call 911, perform CPR on hard surface, have proper equipment) is really starting to hurt me. If Dr Murray had stayed true to his oath as a doctor and not been so negligent our world would be one with Michael Jackson still in it. His death was avoidable but his lying butt didn't know how to deal with something that for being a trained physcian should have been second nature. I am hurt and I am very angry.
 
So angry knowing that Michael could have been saved, angry tears are flowing. I guess we should remember that that statement was based on murray's interview and he could have been lying about MJ having a pulse. Michael may have already gone by the time Murray finished sorting out his personal life.

@angel, you are way to hard on yourself, I read that study elsewhere, it wasnt just on here, but that aside it actually helped the prosecution. Stop worrying *hugs*
 
larry141094 said:
Do you know what im most angry about. SOME OF THE FANS!!! DENIAL IS THE WORST LIE!!! Your lying to yourself and everyone else. WHY? Is everyone so upset about the autopsy photo????!!! It's easy to avoid, DONT LOOK AT THE DAMN THING.
I mean do you seriously want this trial to go like you thought it would? With your image of Michael left intact? HOW COULD YOU?! If you ever thought that anything anyone said about his personal life was true in interviews, your already judging someone! Regardless of if its good or bad.
MICHAEL SMOKED WEED FOR MEDICAL REASONS! GET OVER IT FOR CHRIST SAKE! Why is everyone so angry about all this? It's the truth? Are you angry because subconsciously you know Murray's innocent, yet in your conscious self you need someone to blame because of the personal attachment you had to Michael Jackson.... phew i feel better.

I have never been more relieved at the flood of truth from this trial, it gives me a sense of what was going on, allows me to build profiles on the people in Michael's life.
There is one thing i am absolutely sure of, why would Dr Murray, who was a cardiologist, give Michael (On purpose or otherwise) a fatal dose of Propofol???? What's there to gain? Why not pay someone else to do it after he started getting his pay? If he injected the fatal dose, wheres his fingerprints on the stuff he injected?

Dr Murray is not just a scape goat for Michael Jackson fans, he is a scape goat for a real murderer who is laughing at all of this, after killing a man in cold blood.
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Denial is the worst lie,which is why I am shaking my head at you. You have this propensity for stating things which have not been established as a fact. If that is how you want to see things, that is fine. But do not presume to think it is ok to trample on what we do know as opposed to what you presume in the name of venting.
You do not know if MJ smoked weed for medicinal purposes. That is your leaping assumption. So don't state this as a fact when it is not.
As for why Murray would give MJ a fatal dose of propofol on purpose, look around the case forum for your answer, this has been discussed numerous times. As for Murray doing it by accident, there does not have to be anything to gain, it is an accident.
As for discussing whether there was a killer besides Murray, this is the case forum for the case against Murray. If you would like to discuss other scenarios, there is a forum appropriate for that which is the controversy forum. It will not be debated here.

Also any further attempts to use this thread as a means for debating whether Murray was partially guilty, or not guilty at all will be deemed off topic and deleted. Take it to the proper place if you would like to discuss it. This is not open for negoatiating. The end.
 
ginvid said:
Denial is the worst lie,which is why I am shaking my head at you. You have this propensity for stating things which have not been established as a fact. If that is how you want to see things, that is fine. But do not presume to think it is ok to trample on what we do know as opposed to what you presume in the name of venting.
You do not know if MJ smoked weed for medicinal purposes. That is your leaping assumption. So don't state this as a fact when it is not.
As for why Murray would give MJ a fatal dose of propofol on purpose, look around the case forum for your answer, this has been discussed numerous times. As for Murray doing it by accident, there does not have to be anything to gain, it is an accident.
As for discussing whether there was a killer besides Murray, this is the case forum for the case against Murray. If you would like to discuss other scenarios, there is a forum appropriate for that which is the controversy forum. It will not be debated here.

Also any further attempts to use this thread as a means for debating whether Murray was partially guilty, or not guilty at all will be deemed off topic and deleted. Take it to the proper place if you would like to discuss it. This is not open for negoatiating. The end.
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I thought this was a venting thread not a "Lets attack larry thread"
 
This is a venting thread in a support forum not a lets attack my fellow members thread. Surely you can see how members would feel you are doing just that. It is also not a thread to discuss theories. This is still the case forum so it is not a place to present speculation as facts. That is simply what I want to clear up.
While this is a venting thread it is still in the support forum. This means people come here for comfort. While you may have a right to say somethings, sometimes it is better to hold back for the sake of your fellow members and their pain.

Thanks.
 
When Flannagan was talking yesterday about what if he dropped to the floor and stopped breathing, I found myself having some very devilish thoughts. :evil:
 
LastTear said:
When Flannagan was talking yesterday about what if he dropped to the floor and stopped breathing, I found myself having some very devilish thoughts. :evil:
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At least I am not the only one who has been having evil thoughts. But it wasn't towards that guy it is always towards Dr. Death. I can't tell you just many times I had thoughts about wanting to exact my revenge on him. As I am watching some Bollywood revenge movies. Especially movies like Rakht Charitra and Anjaam. Especially Anjaam the way Shivani Chopra gets her revenge in that movie is exactly what I would so L.O.V.E. to do to Dr. Death.:mat: :evil: I especially L.O.V.E. how Shivani kills her brother in law in that movie. By shoving his money that he won on a horse down his throat. And this was after he has cause the deaths of her daughter and her sister.:evil:
 
larry141094 said:
Sometimes the truth hurts... but sometimes it's for the best, i would rather know the things i know then stay ignorant. Anyway, if Murray is acquitted, at least an innocent man goes free, and thats all im for.
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It seems you are not listening to the witness testimony, they are stating FACTS, not assuming subjective and biased theories like you are doing now.

This is one of the things that annoy me and that have always surrounded Michael since the early nineties...

Anyway, though the trial is being painful, things are getting very clear and hopefully justice will be done!!
 
LastTear said:
So angry knowing that Michael could have been saved, angry tears are flowing. I guess we should remember that that statement was based on murray's interview and he could have been lying about MJ having a pulse. Michael may have already gone by the time Murray finished sorting out his personal life.

@angel, you are way to hard on yourself, I read that study elsewhere, it wasnt just on here, but that aside it actually helped the prosecution. Stop worrying *hugs*
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thanks - I know I was being irrational-my anxiety disorder gets bad when I'm stressed, I know it helped the pros and you could read it anywhere and I thank you for your support and concern. I just want it to be over and Murray to be in jail .
 
I cannot believe how cruel and evil dr death is. How could he leave Michael to die like that? four yrs for killing another human being. He is the scum of the earth.
 
I am sad.I am so very sad.:sad2:
I am sad and angry because people still don't want to see the truth, they don't care, they don't give a s**t.And I don't know what to do to change that.:sad:
 
angelofinnocence said:
I cannot believe how cruel and evil dr death is. How could he leave Michael to die like that? four yrs for killing another human being. He is the scum of the earth.
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Dr. Death is more than just scum. But there really isn't a word in any language that would best describe him. And 4 years is just plain insane. Personally with me being a very big supporter in capital punishment. Should be getting the death penalty instead of 4 years in jail. But I can trust and believe that when his day comes. God will be the ultimate judge and have him sentence to spend an eternity in Hell and not in Heaven.
 
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