SIDEWALKS;4244657 said:
"6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there."
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...-the-michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-allegations
Where's the evidence for this? Have I missed something? Particularly the sculptures?
The sculptires were in mjs office. They were small wooden african figures that you buy off street sellers. It was laughed at in court when sneddon tried to imply the were pornographic. Just his racism more like
Below is info from respects and pg13's posts.big thanks to them
themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/27/has-child-pornography-ever-been-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/#books
The books mentioned above are the ones below. The article tries to imply they were found with the porn mags which is false.the article also tries to imply arvizos prints were on them aswell. The only ones his prints were found on (adult porn mag) were from a suitcase. Both prints were found on the mags. Obvioisly mjs cause they were his. Its impossible to date them yet of course the implication is that they were put there at the same time. You have to laugh at the title of the V.F article and then how they try to twist the facts to make it sound a certain way
the "The Boy - A Photographic Essay" book is the one with an inscription from a fan called Rhonda and dated 1983.
It's basically during the filming of The Lord Of The Flies.
The other one you're referring to is "Boys Will Be Boys" which had this inscription:
"Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces, this is the spirit of boyhood, a life I've never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children."
they were NOT found with his porn.
It was in a file cabinet.
the detective who confiscated them in 1993 said they called in the maid from home and she brought the keys. She named Blanca Francia , which doesn't make any sense since she didn't work for MJ since 1991. I wonder if he mistook her for Adrian McManus. Or if it was indeed Francia then something shady was going on with that. Why would an ex-maid who hasn't worked for him for 2 years have the keys to this?
Anyway, to me the fact that a maid had the keys to that file cabinet further points to no nefarious intentions on MJ's part. If it was something he intended to hide he would have kept the keys with himself or hide it somewhere. Not give it to his staff.
The pornographic magazines and DVDs
The pornographic magazines, posters from pornographic magazines and DVDs found in Michael Jackson’s possession were all heterosexual (or the kind of lesbian themed which are also targeted to heterosexual men) and all legal.
The list of items seized:
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Hustler centerfold, 10 August 1992
Playboy centerfold, Miss October
Playboy centerfold, Miss November
Playboy centerfold, 16 Miss March
Hustler centerfold, June 1993
Playboy centerfold, unknown date
Penthouse Page No. 153-154
Centerfold, Miss May
Penthouse, Page 8
Penthouse centerfold
Playboy centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, August 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Club International centerfold
Penthouse, double page 6/211
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, May 1992
Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, November 1991
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss November
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss February
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December
Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold
Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992
Page from Unknown Magazine
Stiff Dick for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook)
Barely Legal Magazine
Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook)
Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook)
Double Dicking Caroline Magazine (In Notebook)
Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
Hustler Magazine
Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook)
Oui, March 1998 in binder
Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder
XX rated, April 1995
Close Up, April 1995 in binder
Just 18, Volume 4, Issue No. 10
Plumpers centerfold
Hustler, August 1992
Hustler, April 1998
(No cover) in binder
Penthouse, March 1992 in binder
Juggs, June 1996 in binder
44 Plus, June 1996 in binder
Plumpers, May 1996 in binder
Club International, March 1998 in binder
Live Young Girls, September in binder
Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook
Finally Legal Freshman Class
Orgy, August 2002 in binder
Purely 18, October 2002 in binder
Purely 18, December 2002 in binder
Tight, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, January 2003 in binder
Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder
Girlfriends in binder
Live Young Girls in binder
Parade
Finally Legal, February 2003 in binder
Girls of Barely Legal in binder
Hawk, February 2003 in binder
Girlfriends, Special Editions in binder
White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August 19 2003 in binder
White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200 21 in binder
Gallery 5/2002
Binder containing Playboy
Couples Volume 2, Issue 2
White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary 2002
White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
Hustler Barely Legal [31]
DVDs:
Pimps Up, Hos Down (1998 documentary)
Fresh Picked Pink
Dirty Teens Come Clean
Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink!
**** Me, I’m Legal
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: **** Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2
TWO ARTICLES:
Page 28 from “G-Spot”
“The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) (see: The Second Female G-spot)
The prosecution never claimed this material to be illegal, in fact, they admitted that all of this was legal, commercially produced material and none depicted illegal activities such as child porn. They claimed, however, that Jackson used these to “groom” children for sexual abuse as the 2003 accuser Gavin Arvizo and his brother Star Arvizo alleged that Jackson showed them such material. We address this claim extensively while we discuss the Arvizo allegations in this article (particularly the chapter “What about the pornographic magazines?”), so here we only note that this is a totally unproven theory, a claim that originates from accusers with serious credibility issues (for more details about the Arvizos’ allegations see The 2005 Allegations section of our website).
Most of these adult magazines were found in Michael Jackson’s nightstand, in a box at the base of his bed and in a briefcase in a closet of his bedroom suite. Some others were found in a cabinet in his office bathroom and in the master bathroom inside his bedroom suite. Jackson’s fingerprints were found on them, and his attorney Thomas Mesereau in his opening statement admitted that they were Jackson’s magazines:
“The prosecutor told you that there were girlie-type magazines and sexually explicit material in Mr. Jackson’s home, and there were. Mr. Jackson will freely admit that he does read girlie magazines from time to time. And what he does is he sends someone to the local market, and they pick up Playboy and they pick up Hustler, and he has read them from time to time. He absolutely denies showing them to children.” [32]
The prosecution spent days displaying the magazines that they had confiscated from Jackson’s bedroom on a big screen [33]. Observers wondered what point they were trying to make with the detailed, graphic presentation of this completely legal collection that only pointed to Jackson’s sexual interest in women, especially that several of the presented magazines had publishing dates after the accuser has long left Neverland. Many felt that by this presentation the prosecution was just trying to publicly humiliate Jackson and prejudice a presumably conservative Santa Barbara jury against him in the absence of real, relevant evidence.
The Internet pornography
In the 2003 search police also confiscated sixteen computers from Neverland, including three computers (which contained four hard drives in total) from Jackson’s bedroom, and sent them to the FBI for a forensic examination of their hard drives. None of the computers contained any illegal material or had any traces of access to illegal material on the Internet, including no attempts to find such material [34]. Once again, according to court transcripts and court motions, only legal adult heterosexual pornography and images of nude women were found cached in his hard drives from 1998 through 2003 and as Jackson’s lawyer pointed out in his closing statement at the 2005 trial: “No illegal child pornography, either in a website or anywhere else. No websites where you try to meet children, like pedophiles often do, and the rest [35].”
Not even the prosecution could claim that any of this material was illegal, but they argued that they wanted to introduce them to show that Jackson knew how to use a computer (something he never denied). Judge Rodney Melville, however, ruled that this material was irrelevant and did not allow the prosecution to refer to this evidence in court [36].
The Arvizo kids claimed that Jackson showed them pornographic magazines from a briefcase on two occasions: first in the downstairs area of his bedroom then on the second occasion upstairs. However, when they were asked to describe the details of the alleged situations in their testimonies the brothers contradicted each other on several points again:
Gavin claimed the first occasion happened on the same day they got back from Miami (February 7) and the second occasion about one-two weeks after they came back from the Calabasas hotel. They came back from the Calabasas hotel on March 2 and they left Neverland for good on March 12, so this would put the date of the second occasion according to Gavin’s account around March 9-12, the very last days of their stay at Neverland. Star never mentioned anything about Jackson allegedly showing them adult materal on the same day they came back from Miami on February 7. On contrary to his brother’s claims Star’s claim was that the first time Jackson showed them such material was “after the Calabasas hotel” which would be after March 2 and the second occasion was “a few days later”. When the prosecution asked Star Arvizo “Do you recall how many — how much time elapsed between the first time you saw the materials downstairs till the time you saw them upstairs” the boy answered “A few days”[6] Please notice that according to Gavin’s account, however, more than a month elapsed between the first occasion (February 7) and the second occasion (March 9-12).
About the first occasion Gavin claimed that Jackson told them the briefcase that contained the material was Frank Cascio’s and he made fun of Cascio while showing them the magazines. Star claimed Jackson did not make any comments while showing them the material. About the second occasion Gavin claimed they went through almost the full content of the briefcase (“we saw, like, practically everything”[2]) and the whole thing lasted about 30 minutes to one hour. Star claimed they saw only about three or four magazines.
About the first occasion Star first claimed the briefcase was open when they first saw it, then later in his testimony he claimed it was closed.
The prosecution claimed that the fact that Gavin’s and Star’s fingerprints were found on some of the magazines that were found proves their claim that Jackson showed them these magazines. However, there are several problems with that conclusion. One is that, like we showed above, the boys went to Jackson’s room when the singer was not there, so they were perfectly able to rummage through his stuff, find and touch those magazines on their own. In actuality, that would be consistent with their behaviour around other people as well, as Jackson’s lawyer Thomas Mesereau pointed out in his closing argument based on various testimonies that were heard at the trial:
"And the only forensic evidence they had to hang their hat on are fingerprints on some girlie magazines that were owned by Michael Jackson. And you know that everywhere the Arvizo children went, they would rummage through drawers, rummage through the house. They did it at the dentist’s office. They did it in Vernee Watson Johnson’s home. This is the way they behave." [12]
(By the way, the only stash of adult magazines where the Arvizo boys’ fingerprints were found were the magazines in a briefcase. Their fingerprints were not found on the adult magazines that were found in Jackson’s nightstand or in a box at the base of his bed or anywhere else. It seems they only ever came into contact with the briefcase stash.)
It was also shown during the trial that the Arvizo boys weren’t at all as naïve and innocent about pornography as the prosecution tried to portray them. A Neverland employee Julio Avila testified on May 24, 2005 that he once caught Star Arvizo walking around with an adult magazine and when he asked him where he got it from he told him he took it from home. [13] Another Neverland employee Maria Gomez testified on May 16, 2005 that she saw adult magazines in Star Arvizo’s backpack while she was once cleaning the guest unit where they were staying. [14] A general description of the Arvizo boys’ overall behaviour and how it differed from the prosecution’s portrayal of them will be discussed in detail in the next chapter.
In his opening statement Jackson’s attorney Mesereau stated that rather than showing the magazines to the boys Jackson actually caught them once with them and took them away from them.
"The prosecutor told you that there were girlie-type magazines and sexually explicit material in Mr. Jackson’s home, and there were. Mr. Jackson will freely admit that he does read girlie magazines from time to time. And what he does is he sends someone to the local market, and they pick up Playboy and they pick up Hustler, and he has read them from time to time. He absolutely denies showing them to children. And, in fact, the magazines the prosecutor referred to were in a locked briefcase. And Mr. Jackson will tell you he found those kids going through his magazines, and grabbed them from him and locked them in his briefcase." [15]
Gavin’s story regarding the magazines indeed makes a very odd “grooming” story. Remember that the prosecution’s theory was that Jackson showed the Arvizo boys the magazines to groom them – ie. to lower their inhibitions and/or arouse them before sexually molesting them, because that is what pedophiles typically use pornographic magazines for. However, Gavin’s magazine scene looked like this in his testimony at the trial.
Now, when you first saw the suitcase, where was it in that room.
It was next to — it was to the left of that couch thing.
And did you ever see Mr. Jackson pick up the Exhibit 470.
Yeah, like I was hanging out with him in there, and he was like putting on his makeup or something, I don’t know. And then he — he grabbed the — grabbed the suitcase, and then he told me — he told me it was Frank’s. And he showed me, he was like, “This is” —
Okay. Well, what did he show you.
He was, like, “Look at the” — “Look at this stuff. Frank’s stinking a-s-s.” Frank’s stinking — it was S- — Frank’s stinking ass.
All right. What was inside the suitcase.
Adult materials.
And how many did you look at with Mr. Jackson.
Well, he showed me just one — like he showed me, and there was this girl in there and then he put it away.
And how was the girl.
She had her legs spread open, and her vagina was, like, showing.
All right. Did you ever see that suitcase again.
Yes.
Where.
We had it — like, we had it up in his — near his bed, and then we were looking at all the stuff.
Who was “we”.
Me, my brother and Michael.
And do you recall, where in the bedroom was the suitcase when you first saw it that time.
The first time I saw it, it was in the rest room kind of thing. And then the second time we — I don’t know if we brought it up there or, like, Michael brought it up there or something. I don’t know. But it was up next to his bed. And we were all going through the thing and we were making fun of Frank.
Did you look at the magazines.
Yes.
How many magazines do you think you saw.
We saw, like, practically everything, but there was a few we didn’t look at.
How much time do you figure you were looking at all those things.
30 minutes to an hour, probably.
Did Mr. Jackson make any comments during the time — other than the ones you’ve talked about, any other comments that he made at any of the photographs or the magazines.
Not really. We just were, like, making fun of Frank. [2]
These alleged scenes do not make much sense as attempts at arousing the Arvizo boys in order to molest them since, according to their own story, they were not immediately followed by molestation or any sexual act. According to the Arvizo’s story the alleged molestation of Gavin happened on totally different occasions and with no pornography being shown to him. As for lowering inhibitions, according to Gavin’s story Jackson tried to distance himself from this material claiming they were Frank’s (ie. Frank Cascio’s) and he supposedly made fun of Frank for it using such words as “stinking”. It would be a strange way to tell a child having such material is cool. However, Jackson distancing himself from the material would make a lot more sense if the Defense’s version is the true version of the story – ie. that instead of showing the boys these magazines Jackson actually took them away from them and was telling them that it was wrong to look at them.
A story by music producer Mark Ronson as told in 2008, confirms that Jackson was not at all OK with children looking at adult material, let alone encouraging them to do so.
"Producer Mark Ronson once tried to make his childhood pal Michael Jackson watch porn – but the pop superstar hated the experience and wasn’t amused.
Ronson, whose father Laurence was a band manager, used to spend his time in the company of John Lennon’s son Sean and Jackson as they were growing up.
The trio would frequently have sleepovers – but when Ronson and Lennon used to switch over the TV to the pornography channel, Jackson was left cringing with embarrassment.
He recalls, “It’s a weird story, but I didn’t touch him. We (Ronson and Lennon) used to watch the porn channel because we were like 10 and, ‘Oh my God, tits!’ So Michael was in bed. And me and Sean said, ‘Michael do you want to see something cool?’
“We turned the dial to the porn channel and there were strippers shaking their tits around. We were like, ‘Michael, Michael, how cool is this?’ We turned around and he was cringing, saying, ‘Ooh stop it, stop it, ooh it’s so silly.’ We were like, ‘Michael, you have to look, maybe you’re not seeing it right, it’s naked girls!’
“He was not down with the programme whatsoever! I think he had really strong feminist views on porn.”
Ronson’s comments were made during the taping of British gameshow the Sunday Night Project, which is due to air in the U.K. on Sunday (22Jun08).[15]"
It should be noted that before the Arvizo children went into Jackson’s room and found his adult magazines not any earlier accuser claimed that Jackson showed them such material in order to groom them or for any other reason. Pornography claims were simply not a part of either Jordan Chandler’s or Jason Francia’s allegations. All pornography claims only became a part of these stories (whether by later accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck* or the media) after it became publicly known during the Arvizo process that Jackson had such material at all and the prosecution had the very much publicly stated theory that Jackson used it for abuse
