Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[L.T.D]

I can't understand why the estate or the Jackson family didn't had the idea to pay private dedectives to investigate wade and James.

Perhaps that's the non-legal initiative they're talking about, who knows.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Perhaps that's the non-legal initiative they're talking about, who knows.

Oh i missed this. Were they are talking about this?
Maybe they have some e-mails not from Wade but fom the non legal initative?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

After the appeal is finished - probably late '19 / early '20.

Damn, I was hoping for some actual good news on that. So the judge can still rule in favor of these two? Which would be total insanity.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Latest statement. The case has been going on since 2013 bit late now

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Damn, I was hoping for some actual good news on that. So the judge can still rule in favor of these two? Which would be total insanity.

Its gone to the appeal court. Very unlikely as the ruling is based on points of law nothing else and the last judges ruling was very strobg based on the law. L.N is done in part to try and get the appeal judges to overturn the verdict based on personal opinion/emotion rather than the law

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Update about the McDonald's statue...

The higher ups were wondering if it would be better to pull the statue but on the other hand they don't want to decide in this matter. They just want customers to feel comfortable. So at this moment the statue stays.

 

[L.T.D]

Oh i missed this. Were they are talking about this?
Maybe they have some e-mails not from Wade but fom the non legal initative?

This was in their statement, I dont want to talk about it much because I feel like I might give something away ? I'm suspicious they'd be reading this forum.....

Wade....James if you're reading this. ?

Dan Reed if you're reading this......what came first the chicken or your head?

 

[christy]

Go ahead to sue HBO..is Taj on board to slap Dan Reed with a lawsuit...what about Paris...

 

[terrell]

Update about the McDonald's statue...

The higher ups were wondering if it would be better to pull the statue but on the other hand they don't want to decide in this matter. They just want customers to feel comfortable. So at this moment the statue stays.

Some of these folks higher up need to quit. If you are not getting major complaints, then leave it alone. And even if they are getting a couple complaints, that is not enuf. there are more MJ supporters who will be mad than haters who may have never cared for the statues in the first place or just want to start mess and do not care about the issues. Just troublemakers. This is like the people pulled the Simpson espisode and then that person made the comment about MJ using the show to groom". He made a fool out of himself and was mocked.

 

[terrell]

HBO wants to defer or cancel the court hearing so that their scheduled LN broadcasts and streams (and probable DVD release) can go ahead unhindered. The Estate is asking for damages and costs, but of course an open-court examination of the HBO film will likely generate more media news about the lies it is based on.

R and S's appeal will likely go ahead later this year (maybe from the autumn - depending on agreed court dates) and I understand that costs from the original case can be 'held on file' - maybe with a 'promissory note to agree payment- until after the appeal is finished. ie Their claim isn't 'finalised' until the appeal is finished.

Only sick pervert will want to buy that lying doc.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

LunJo/Jolanda has uploaded a updated version from her great debunking video about Michael and bubbles from yesterday.
Now the video is four minutes longer!

 

[MJInnocent]

Not sure if this has been posted:

https://youtu.be/7TQ9Tpc_-NU

 

[jimbean]

New Michael Trapson Video

 

[PoP]

I'm just getting disturbed that Funimation VA Leah Clark watched that s and believing all of it. I just told her off that Michael did nothing.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Not sure if this has been posted:

https://youtu.be/7TQ9Tpc_-NU

Wow this video is great and a must watch!!!
Here I framed it for you:

I had the feeling that the interviews were filmed in many takes.
Therr must have gone a lot of work into this video.
Please send the producer big thank yous in the commenz section for taken the time and subscribe to him cause he wants to do more analysis and is convniced that Wade and James are Lying.

I think Taj should know about this video for his documentery.

 

[terrell]

I'm just getting disturbed that Funimation VA Leah Clark watched that s and believing all of it. I just told her off that Michael did nothing.

She better be careful is being so quick to judge. She can be falsey accused as well in her field of business. QUICK

 

[PoP]

She better be careful is being so quick to judge. She can be falsey accused as well in her field of business. QUICK

I loved her, but now with what she's believing, she's this close to becoming next to my list. And feel free to tell her that on Twitter.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm sorry, who are we muting again? <a href="https://t.co/anj6pY8Vlp">pic.twitter.com/anj6pY8Vlp</a></p>&mdash; Costco PlayStation 2 (@RobLives4Love) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobLives4Love/status/1107765988521590785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> Hi Taj, The Journal Of Michael Jackson Academic Studies wrote you a mail to invite you to be a quest in their podcast to talk truth. We want to give you a platform.</p>&mdash; MJAS (@MJAS29) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJAS29/status/1107940886292381696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This story is untrue thriller live was contacted and the princes trust was only involved for the 4000th show nothing else <a href="https://t.co/MlpLaZXoo2">pic.twitter.com/MlpLaZXoo2</a></p>&mdash; Summerwhereareyou (@lynnt09) <a href="https://twitter.com/lynnt09/status/1107920282424094721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More fans from different cities in China are supporting him, even in remote areas.<a href="https://twitter.com/MJInnocentUK?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJInnocentUK</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FallAgainMJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBackstage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJBackstage</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheMJCast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mjvibe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JuliaBerkowitz1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://t.co/PQS8CTbuUN">pic.twitter.com/PQS8CTbuUN</a> <a href="https://t.co/bwzJdmZxz1">pic.twitter.com/bwzJdmZxz1</a></p>&mdash; &#28201;&#24237;&#33437; (@c182818) <a href="https://twitter.com/c182818/status/1107863382714171392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> will confirm people would say they parachuted into Neverland by mistake ( on purpose)! We would hear about it all the time even when he was not there. Normal safety systems. Including the bedroom approach alarms. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichealJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichealJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/aRa80UXZ3J">https://t.co/aRa80UXZ3J</a></p>&mdash; Matt Fiddes (@MattFiddesUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattFiddesUK/status/1107767213501677569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Played hella Michael Jackson in the club last night<br><br>Dance-floor packed beyond capacity, ultra euphoria<br><br>It will take more than bad acting and bad TV to dethrone the king of pop<br><br>&#127754;</p>&mdash; &#127754;&#128081; AKIRA THE DON &#127754;&#128081; (@akirathedon) <a href="https://twitter.com/akirathedon/status/1107500926934237184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Michael Jackson's Forgotten Humanitarian Legacy | HuffPost&quot; <a href="https://t.co/g6nwfssWMi">https://t.co/g6nwfssWMi</a></p>&mdash; Maria Hassell (@MeYouUsMJFAM) <a href="https://twitter.com/MeYouUsMJFAM/status/1107835898576752640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Diddy letting everyone know he’s still rocking with MJ periodT &#128483; As he should &#8252;&#65039; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/9R6h3qGI7F">pic.twitter.com/9R6h3qGI7F</a></p>&mdash; superfly. (was @DoggoneLover_) (@DoggoneLoverr_) <a href="https://twitter.com/DoggoneLoverr_/status/1108039532874776585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is so much proof and shows this is nothing but extortion and all of these people are being manipulated for money still today.<br>Karma will come to those who are apart.<br>Remember the… <a href="https://t.co/WkwMUmDO4C">https://t.co/WkwMUmDO4C</a></p>&mdash; TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/status/1108041582157004800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson, the GOAT, sang since he was five and performed for millions BUT still rehearsed and practiced tirelessly to attain perfection. Look here at his obsession to get one note right in the song “The Way You Make Me Feel”. To be great, ignore your talent and experience. <a href="https://t.co/aFcsuQdKAG">pic.twitter.com/aFcsuQdKAG</a></p>&mdash; January Makamba (@JMakamba) <a href="https://twitter.com/JMakamba/status/1107903007839174656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128680;&quot;So he is not a pedophile. He's actualy a child, naive. He's really someone who means: I DON'T SLEEP WITH CHILDREN. I SLEEP BY CHILDREN'S SIDE. And this is a huge difference!&quot;<br>Dieter Speck, psychologist.(2004)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/P4euMlXEL3">pic.twitter.com/P4euMlXEL3</a></p>&mdash; DriBrasil (@DriBrasilMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/DriBrasilMJ/status/1107879241008455681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Definitely. Preproduction has already started.&#128077;&#127997; <a href="https://t.co/2cMgD8gZi0">https://t.co/2cMgD8gZi0</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1108073605441585152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/magic925?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@magic925</a> radio again and again and I couldn’t resist. His legacy can &amp; will live on. The man was acquitted &amp; the FBI acquitted him. Facts! Its over! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFamUNITE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFamUNITE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverlandLies?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverlandLies</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://t.co/qad3y0YkXz">pic.twitter.com/qad3y0YkXz</a></p>&mdash; Darian Davis (@MrDarian21) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrDarian21/status/1107816602731319297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">this past week it’s been nonstop bullshit i’m so sick of it</p>&mdash; Paris-Michael K. J. (@ParisJackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1107808322688696321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> is still at the top of <a href="https://twitter.com/billboardcharts?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@billboardcharts</a> and forever will still there. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFamUnite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFamUnite</a> <a href="https://t.co/WesyvaY30a">https://t.co/WesyvaY30a</a></p>&mdash; Sally A. Cole Otero (@LuluCole78) <a href="https://twitter.com/LuluCole78/status/1108066009582309379?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How ‘Leaving Neverland’ Has – and Hasn’t – Changed Michael Jackson’s Legacy <a href="https://t.co/h1wMQPQzpi">https://t.co/h1wMQPQzpi</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/RollingStone?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RollingStone</a></p>&mdash; Ivy (@Ivy_4MJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ivy_4MJ/status/1107815350488444933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[elusive moonwalker]

Yes @tajjackson3 will confirm people would say they parachuted into Neverland by mistake ( on purpose)! We would hear about it all the time even when he was not there. Normal safety systems. Including the bedroom approach alarms. #MichealJackson #mjfam @michaeljackson
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?? at fiddes trying to act like he knows anything about mj.acting like he worked at the ranch etc (we would hear about it all the time) what the whole few days out of your life you tagged along with mjs real security "working" for mj.Funny how he tags in taj when he was involved in screwing over the family aswell.

 

[Mike P.]

Jesus, It isn't enough for the media to continuously stomp on a dead man's grave, So they harass his kids now too?

 

[wonderouzmj]

Pisses me off!

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Wow this video is great and a must watch!!!
Here I framed it for you:

I had the feeling that the interviews were filmed in many takes.
Therr must have gone a lot of work into this video.
Please send the producer big thank yous in the commenz section for taken the time and subscribe to him cause he wants to do more analysis and is convniced that Wade and James are Lying.

I think Taj should know about this video for his documentery.

The comment the uploader of this video left under this video is also very interesting and should also been read:

"In response to the more frequent disagreements in the comment section here ... Yes, a lot of documentaries have interviews that are filmed with multiple takes and very brief shots of the interviewees ... and it's arguably a deception in those films too - it makes the interviewees seem less credible. However, most documentaries actually involve evidence as well as interviews. In a case like this, where the "victims" already lack credibility on account of their own previous court testimonies and TV interviews, it was essential to get interview footage that was as honest and raw as possible. Multiple takes with selective editing was a very poor choice. It has resulted in the interviews having a scripted and acted appearance. A few people saying that the director has already stated that the interviews were filmed over 2 or 3 days ... good. And I'm glad to bring more attention to that particular aspect of the production as a lot of people would miss the implication of multiple takes - the effort to try and get a strong acting performance that's actually dishonestly spliced together to appear like a natural flow of dialogue. Regarding the people going on about the body language stuff, I did say in the video I'll be making a separate video on that so please feel free to respond that video when I post it. Regarding the people asking if I've met any sexual abuse survivors, yes I have. I worked 17 years in the social care field and interacted with thousands of people in that line of work ... probation, homeless, learning difficulties, mental health, and yes ... I met and interacted with dozens of pedophiles and sex abuse victims so I have a personal experience take on both the victims and their abusers. Regarding the folks who think that Jackson sleeping in the same bedroom as child visitors amounts to proof of sexual abuse. That's witch-hunt logic. A lot of people, adults and kids, sleep in the same bed or bedroom under various circumstances and it's not a foregone conclusion that sexual interaction has occurred. Yes, it does cast suspicion on Jackson and without that particular facet of his life there would be very little grounds for suspicion, but sexual intent is not the only possible motive. Jackson clearly had a child-like mentality in a lot of ways so it is perfectly logical that he enjoyed sleep overs with visitors to compensate for his loneliness and lack of family at the time. Yes, there is a possibility of sexual molestation, but possibility doesn't equal proof. And you need proof to convict in a court of law unless you believe in witch hunts. Regarding the folks who say that there have been tons of accusers ... there have been a handful and it all kicked off with the discredited Jordy Chandler case. As Razorfist has aptly pointed out,Jackson made the mistake of settling the civil case out of court (without admission) so that he could defend the criminal case (the one that could actually lead to jail time). He defended and was acquitted on all charges, but the pay out given on the civil case gave the green light for other snakes in the grass to come out seeking multi-million payouts. From what I can tell, that has what has been happening on and off since. "You just can't handle him being a pedo because you like his music". Yes, there are some who would defend Jackson even if proof were found of sexual abuse just as there are some who will keep calling him an abuser despite lack of evidence. Like most people, I fit into neither camp. I loved Kevin Spacey as an actor, Rolf Harris was a great cartoonist and Bill Cosby I found hilarious ... but I'm not trying to defend them. Thanks for your thoughts folks.?"

 

[Ramona122003]

Some of these folks higher up need to quit. If you are not getting major complaints, then leave it alone. And even if they are getting a couple complaints, that is not enuf. there are more MJ supporters who will be mad than haters who may have never cared for the statues in the first place or just want to start mess and do not care about the issues. Just troublemakers. This is like the people pulled the Simpson espisode and then that person made the comment about MJ using the show to groom". He made a fool out of himself and was mocked.

I don't remember anyone mocking him except on here.

 

[MJInnocent]

Wow this video is great and a must watch!!!
Here I framed it for you:

I had the feeling that the interviews were filmed in many takes.
Therr must have gone a lot of work into this video.
Please send the producer big thank yous in the commenz section for taken the time and subscribe to him cause he wants to do more analysis and is convniced that Wade and James are Lying.

I think Taj should know about this video for his documentery.

I watched it earlier myself and it is good but isn't it what we all knew?I mean we know these aren't made all in one go,we knew its been built and edited to fit their narrative.

There is a lot of good debunking stuff out there,I'm just not so sure this is one of them because it could easily be argued on how they made it.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I watched it earlier myself and it is good but isn't it what we all knew?I mean we know these aren't made all in one go,we knew its been built and edited to fit their narrative.

There is a lot of good debunking stuff out there,I'm just not so sure this is one of them because it could easily be argued on how they made it.

We must show, explain and proof it to the public especially to the people who are manipulated from LN and belive that Wade and James are telling the truth.
We must debunked the mechanisms Dan Reed uses to manipulate the viewer to make the people sceptical.

Here is a new great video from our friend "inaworldoflove" who made videos like "Leving Neverland: The billion dollar lie" and other great ones

"The Quote that DESTROYS Wade Robsons case"
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[Soundmind]

Diddy has supported mj on his instgram.

 

[myosotis]

The film (DVD / Blu -ray) is getting quite a few pre- reviews on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leaving-Ne...ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=1

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

The film (DVD / Blu -ray) is getting quite a few pre- reviews on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leaving-Ne...ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=1

Whrite all the exposed lies down there guys.
Make a good sorted playlist with all the informative and debunking videos and post the link in your review.
Do maybe not mention that you are a fan.