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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I want to share this very good video again with interview parts of Dan Reed in 2010.


Reed said there at 09:40
"And I do the projects that I like and the projects that for some resons turn me on".
... and other interesting things.


This means the work on "The Peodofile Hunter" and "Leaving Neverland" turned Reed on?!
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What did we say...
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Ophrah wants to delate her 1993 interview with MJ from the memory of the internet.
Her nework has send copyright claims to Youtubers who has uploaded it like "Michael Jackson Remastered Videos".
Sad!
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If she is doing this, she is mad that she has been called out and catching it. Again, she is not removing anything she and Weinstein.
 
For any WWE or pro wrestling fans check out the following video with Razorfist debating Leaving Neverland with Vince Russo and other wrestlers. Razorfist did amazing as usual.

Nice to see practically all of the comments in favour of MJ also.

https://youtu.be/xKgY12rThOk
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
What did we say...
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Yep! It's crystal clear now. And to think to plenty celebrities now go all "oh you guys have such courage to come forward" and "Thank you Dan Reed for this powerful documentary".

Yet the director itself gets turned on by the horrible subject matter. It can't get much more backwards in this world right now. If there's any justice at all left in this ****ed up world Reed will be exposed for the disgusting guy he is and these two liars as well, Jesus christ man.
 
analogue said:
*RazorFist giving facts and logic*
Everyone else: ''BUT MUH FEELINGS!!''
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People should be judged on Facts; NOT But MUH feelings. If that is the case, we ALL including them if we are accused of something are guilty. These people better think. Their day maybe around the corner. Look at Rosie Odonnell who was one who was always ready to talk bad about MJ and look, HER DAUGHTER accused her of abuse. IF she say anything, I will be in there to bring it up and shut her down like I did when posted about W/S on her twitter. Some people said Wow, they did not known on another site that talked about her and I gave the link since she talks so much about others. You bother MJ who is innocent you better call her out.
 
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Just been reading a review of Jordan Peele's new film 'US'. It's supposed to be a political commentary:

The zombie reviewers have seen the Peele future and it works. For them. Here is a politically impeccable allegory, sauced with slams, thumps, knives and screams, about the rising-up of — take your interpretative pick — the homeless, the forgotten, the poor, the underprivileged, the dead, or the legatees of slavery. Maybe even the remorseful guilty. The title, Us, you’ve already guessed, is US. The crypto-undead rise from those tens of thousands of tunnels under the United States (statistic courtesy of an opening caption); then a single group will stand outside your house at midnight, in serried row, scary and impassive.
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https://www.ft.com/content/e9bc830c-4a30-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d

but unfortunately it seems Peele has included MJ references in it, and it now also seems to be reviewed as serving the message of 'Leaving Neverland':
(Peele obviously hasn't done any research into the MJ allegations). Another film to miss, then.

It's 1986 and a little girl wearing a Michael Jackson T-shirt is at a fun fair with her mum and dad. That's the opening scene we're met with in Jordan Peele's new movie Us.

The choice of T-shirt is a striking one given that the movie is being released just weeks after the airing of HBO's documentary Leaving Neverland. In the documentary, Wade Robson and James Safechuck gave an account of the alleged sexual abuse they survived at the hands of Michael Jackson.

But this detail isn't the only nod to Michael Jackson in Us. Subtle nods to Jackson can be found in the outfits worn by the nightmarish doppelgängers that appear in the movie — like the single glove that they wear, and their "Thriller"-red jumpsuits.

Creator and director Jordan Peele told Mashable that the inclusion of this imagery is no accident.

"Everything in this movie was deliberate, that is one thing I can guarantee you. Unless you didn't like something and that was a complete accident," he said.

Without giving away the entire plot, this movie's central theme is duality and the danger that lies therein.

"Michael Jackson is probably the patron saint of duality," said Peele. "The movie starts in the '80s — the duality with which I experienced him [Jackson] in that time was both as the guy that presented this outward positivity, but also the "Thriller" video which scared me to death."

Jackson's duality obviously extends beyond the horror-inspired "Thriller" video, too.

As Mashable's Alexis Nedd put it, the narrative surrounding Jackson's image has been one where "he both did and did not do what he was accused of, a kind of Schrödinger's abuser who could be loved and suspected simultaneously."

"The irony and relevance is not lost on me now that the discussion has evolved to one of true horror," Peele added.
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https://in.mashable.com/entertainme...xplains-the-hidden-meaning-of-michael-jackson
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I found maybe another inconcistancy which Karen Faye retweetet on her twitter account.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Soh3yla/status/1105897352521342977/photo/2

Is it right that in the Leaving Neverland HBO version Wade said that he was over 100 times in neverland but in his lawsuit he said he was only 14 times there and only 4 times MJ was also there????
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Question, is this actually in court docs? does he really state this in court? anyone have the doc where this is discovered ?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4250691 said:
Even Peele? Sigh...just...sigh.
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Another reason why I won’t look at his movies, remakes or his twilight zone as to me Serling will always be the true creator of that series
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Yeah maybe he has this thoughts when he grew up.
It would be intresting to know if James had sexual expirinces with other men.

I mean how Wade and James describe their loving relationship and the enjoyable sex it would be a surprise when they would not be bisexual.
With wade I think all what he said about his sexual expirinces is fabricated for me but with James I don't know.
Maybe he had sexual expirences and relationships in his life with men?
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Most of his statements comes from that trash book that is pedo porn. However, the way Safechucks seems obsess with Michael in his own story, how he 'teaches' Michael stuff, and how their relationship comes off as a love story more than Wade's is a strange.
 
KrisMJFan;4250694 said:
Another reason why I won’t look at his movies, remakes or his twilight zone as to me Serling will always be the true creator of that series
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But seriously I just don't get it anymore. I just don't!

Why in gods name are so many of these celebrities just jumping on the bandwagon, condemning Michael when he's no longer here to defend himself? Why don't any of them do some tiny bit of research? How the **** can they just watch that filth for 4 hours and not bother with some research at all? If this were a courthouse it would be thrown out within seconds because so many stuff doesn't add up at all or directly contradict each other or is just down right laughable.

Why are only a few freelance journalists, the fans and people that have researched thanks to fans the only ones that are awake? I really thought Peele would be better than this.

I quite loved Get Out by him and was really looking forward to Us.
 
am I missing something with what Peele said? I don't read anything as negative.. I see him comparing the duality between Michaels personality and the character he played on thriller.. The contrast of the two!

Why is that a bad thing? Don't forget this film was made before the doc was even known about!!

or am I missing something?
 
Some prob hated him from the start.some are prob just ignorant of the facts lilke most and some prob dont want to upset their bosses.
 
nextbigthing56 said:
For any WWE or pro wrestling fans check out the following video with Razorfist debating Leaving Neverland with Vince Russo and other wrestlers. Razorfist did amazing as usual.

Nice to see practically all of the comments in favour of MJ also.

https://youtu.be/xKgY12rThOk
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I saw that, razorfist retweeted my comment about Vince Russo writing Robson and Safechucks script.

I knew Russo would of believed them right away, even when he said he's used to being worked and knowing when he's been worked.
 
KOPV;4250697 said:
am I missing something with what Peele said? I don't read anything as negative.. I see him comparing the duality between Michaels personality and the character he played on thriller.. The contrast of the two!

Why is that a bad thing? Don't forget this film was made before the doc was even known about!!

or am I missing something?
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As Mashable's Alexis Nedd put it, the narrative surrounding Jackson's image has been one where "he both did and did not do what he was accused of, a kind of Schrödinger's abuser who could be loved and suspected simultaneously."

"The irony and relevance is not lost on me now that the discussion has evolved to one of true horror," Peele added.
 
There are people who believe Michael is guilty by started off their argument by saying ''Well, speaking as a parent'' - When they do this, I think it's clear that they're letting their emotions get the better of them, and they're imagining their own child in that dangerous situation.
 
myosotis;4250705 said:
As Mashable's Alexis Nedd put it, the narrative surrounding Jackson's image has been one where "he both did and did not do what he was accused of, a kind of Schrödinger's abuser who could be loved and suspected simultaneously."

"The irony and relevance is not lost on me now that the discussion has evolved to one of true horror," Peele added.
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This exactly!!!!

I gotta do something now but later in the evening I am gonna tweet Peele about it. Just that he should know who he's condemning with what he said, and what kind of" director"and accusers he's standing up for.

Reaaaaally expect better from this cat.
 
analogue said:
There are people who believe Michael is guilty by started off their argument by saying ''Well, speaking as a parent'' - When they do this, I think it's clear that they're letting their emotions get the better of them, and they're imagining their own child in that dangerous situation.
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They would talk differently whan we were in the 90ies or 80ies now.
There were not much childabuse cases known and when then predetors mostly kidnaped and killed the child after the abuse which happened today only very rarely.
It was a much different situation and most people especially young people don't know or forget this.

We have not the same situation like in the 80ies or 90ies when MJ decided to souround himself with children besides his relatives.
When he would be in the same situation now with so much cildabuse cases known he maybe would never have decided to act so naive.

In the last century the people trustet each other much more like now.
The time we live in always has in influence on us.
We know this from school when we review a book from the past.
The timeperiod it was whritten or in which the story line took place must always be consider cause they often had an influence.

Its unfair towards Michael when people don't consider the timeperiod the actions took place....I mean it is over 30 years .... this is a lot of years in todays time were things changed the fast, also the society.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier;4250696 said:
But seriously I just don't get it anymore. I just don't!

Why in gods name are so many of these celebrities just jumping on the bandwagon, condemning Michael when he's no longer here to defend himself? Why don't any of them do some tiny bit of research? How the **** can they just watch that filth for 4 hours and not bother with some research at all? If this were a courthouse it would be thrown out within seconds because so many stuff doesn't add up at all or directly contradict each other or is just down right laughable.

Why are only a few freelance journalists, the fans and people that have researched thanks to fans the only ones that are awake? I really thought Peele would be better than this.

I quite loved Get Out by him and was really looking forward to Us.
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yeah word I hear ya though I never been a fan of his work it’s saddening with these unfortunate days of so called Hollywood think its a lot beyond areas as i’m thinking to myself hope I don’t have to boycott Hallloween cause of Jamie Lee Curtis’s tweet just isn’t sensible and that’s my all time favorite movie
 
I saw in a famous french newspaper that there's going to be a new trial this summer... Why is it mentioned nowhere?
I don't understand. Here is the translation.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2019...ur-pedophilie-prevu-cet-ete-a-los-angeles.php

EXCLUSIVE - Ten years after his disappearance in late June, Michael Jackson will be cited again in court. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," says lawyer Vince Finaldi.

Questioned by Le Figaro, Californian lawyer Vince Finaldi reveals that a new trial where Michael Jackson will be accused of pedophilia will plead in Los Angeles early this summer. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," he says.

Based in the south of Los Angeles, Vince Finaldi is the lawyer for Wade Robson 36 and James Safechuck 41. These two boys, the French viewers will discover them this Thursday, March 20 at 9 pm on M6 where will be broadcasted the documentary

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Is it possible that all the spam uploads which appear every day for the Leaving Neverland Movie are only or mostly videos with download or streaming links in the descriptian but not the movie itself?
Is it maybe already blocked for youtube worldwide?

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Oh no I found now a link with the movie....
 
Zireaelle said:
I saw in a famous french newspaper that there's going to be a new trial this summer... Why is it mentioned nowhere?
I don't understand. Here is the translation.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2019...ur-pedophilie-prevu-cet-ete-a-los-angeles.php

EXCLUSIVE - Ten years after his disappearance in late June, Michael Jackson will be cited again in court. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," says lawyer Vince Finaldi.

Questioned by Le Figaro, Californian lawyer Vince Finaldi reveals that a new trial where Michael Jackson will be accused of pedophilia will plead in Los Angeles early this summer. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," he says.

Based in the south of Los Angeles, Vince Finaldi is the lawyer for Wade Robson 36 and James Safechuck 41. These two boys, the French viewers will discover them this Thursday, March 20 at 9 pm on M6 where will be broadcasted the documentary

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Surely that's nothing new? I mean there is NO law against the defamation of the dead there but they CAN have a trial about these "new" allegations while he's not here to defend himself? I hope I misunderstood this.
 
A couple of people have said Dan Reed is pro NAMBLA, is there any actual evidence of this? Just because he MAY have used Guiterrez's Pro Peadophila book word for word, doesn't nessiscairly mean he himself is a peado.
 
Zireaelle said:
I saw in a famous french newspaper that there's going to be a new trial this summer... Why is it mentioned nowhere?
I don't understand. Here is the translation.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2019...ur-pedophilie-prevu-cet-ete-a-los-angeles.php

EXCLUSIVE - Ten years after his disappearance in late June, Michael Jackson will be cited again in court. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," says lawyer Vince Finaldi.

Questioned by Le Figaro, Californian lawyer Vince Finaldi reveals that a new trial where Michael Jackson will be accused of pedophilia will plead in Los Angeles early this summer. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," he says.

Based in the south of Los Angeles, Vince Finaldi is the lawyer for Wade Robson 36 and James Safechuck 41. These two boys, the French viewers will discover them this Thursday, March 20 at 9 pm on M6 where will be broadcasted the documentary

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It's the appeal. Their cases (R and S) were thrown out but they are appealing the decision. It's why the film (LN) was added into Sundance this January. R and S WANTED a trial (against the MJJ companies and personnel ) but the judge did not agree that the companies could 'over-rule' MJ, and so their claims were thrown out.

The appeal date is sooner than I thought. Looks like it may clash with MJ's 'memorial' day and / or birthday this year. :(


https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/court-role-and-structure/about-us-courts-appeals
The reasons for an appeal vary. However, a common reason is that the dissatisfied side claims that the trial was conducted unfairly or that the trial judge applied the wrong law, or applied the law incorrectly.
 
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