You know, I think those were prayer beads. It would be divine intervention if they end up being the one thing that nails Murray's arse to the wall as far as time of death.
But what about this flumanezil thing?
You know, I think those were prayer beads. It would be divine intervention if they end up being the one thing that nails Murray's arse to the wall as far as time of death.
He should have mentioned that he gave benzos and from what I remember he did say he gave Flumazenil and no one here believed him.
I don't think it mattered cause it was too late anyway by the time it was given. I wish I understood more of the coroners report and forensic science.
yeah but they still did not find any flumazenil , we will have to see what explanation he has for the lack of flumazenil in mj's system .
yeah but they still did not find any flumazenil , we will have to see what explanation he has for the lack of flumazenil in mj's system .
They found it in the "Y" tubing which means he did inject it through that tubing. They found an open ampule in the room.
As I said before, I am not a forensic scientist and I don't know the full extent of everything.
I do know that from a completely scientific stand point, there are many things they might have tested for that have not been put on the report. We do know a lot of what they tested for and where they tested it, but there are a lot of other drugs that may have been in the liver that were not tested or not put on that report.
I don't know what explanations will come out if it ever goes to trial. I said once before I think it never circulated but I don't know that for sure. I don't know if it binds to the benzos and becomes 'void' on the reports. Only the forensic scientist would know this sort of stuff.
They found it in the "Y" tubing which means he did inject it through that tubing. They found an open ampule in the room.
As I said before, I am not a forensic scientist and I don't know the full extent of everything.
I do know that from a completely scientific stand point, there are many things they might have tested for that have not been put on the report. We do know a lot of what they tested for and where they tested it, but there are a lot of other drugs that may have been in the liver that were not tested or not put on that report.
I don't know what explanations will come out if it ever goes to trial. I said once before I think it never circulated but I don't know that for sure. I don't know if it binds to the benzos and becomes 'void' on the reports. Only the forensic scientist would know this sort of stuff.
12:12 pm - Phone call to a Jackson associate at Neverland Ranch (1 minute / as being reported
11:49 am - Phone call to a Las Vegas cell phone (2 minutes)
11:51 am - Phone call to Houston (3 minutes)
11:54 am - Left a voice mail message for patient named Bob Russell regarding test results (Minutes TBD)
Is it true that MJ had a swollen in his brain ??
who ever told you that is a LIAR , and should be ashamed of himself/herself . That call was made to MJ's assistant at the time .
He is going to explain basic ACLS protocols and what should have been done was being done. Once the ambulance arrived he had everything he needed. There are no other drugs at the hospital that he didn't have at his disposal once they arrived.
Now, as far as why it was delayed as long as it was, I can't even imagine what he will say about that. It was too much of a delay.
11:18 am - Phone call to Las Vegas office (31 minutes)
11:49 am - Phone call to a Las Vegas cell phone (2 minutes)
11:51 am - Phone call to Houston (3 minutes)
11:54 am - Left a voice mail message for patient named Bob Russell regarding test results (Minutes TBD)
exactly playing devils advocate the entire time, I wish he'd go where he came from. Thruout these three months he's been trying to come up with every excuse in the book for Murray, poorly disguised as if he cares about Michael :smilerolleyes:yeah , it makes perfect sense :smilerolleyes: they publish only what Murray gave and withhold everything else , and you wonder why people here question you . Beachlover , you have been here for three months now , could you figure out a strategy to defend murray ? NO.
12:12 pm - Phone call to a Jackson associate at Neverland Ranch (1 minute / as being reported)
who ever told you that is a LIAR , and should be ashamed of himself/herself . That call was made to MJ's assistant at the time .
11:18 am - Phone call to Las Vegas office (31 minutes)
11:49 am - Phone call to a Las Vegas cell phone (2 minutes)
11:51 am - Phone call to Houston (3 minutes)
That was the voicemail betwenn 11:49, 11:51 . Bob's answer machine probably was not 100% accurate .
11:54 am - Left a voice mail message for patient named Bob Russell regarding test results (Minutes TBD)
That's the call he made to his girlfriend from Houston , it lasted 11 minutes , ended at 12:05 , then he called MJ's assistant , he was not at the mansion , he then called for Prince .
Hi Soundlover, source please?
The information comes from the search warrant, which states what LAPD discovered. This is from Murray's cell phone records, and they are accurate times of both time of the calls, and of their duration. It most likely has nothing to do with the patient's answering machine. The voice mail lasts for 18 seconds.
This is NOT in the search warrant, unless... *and this is the point where I withhold my speculations and thoughts on this matter, since I'm not on the defense's side*
yeah , it makes perfect sense :smilerolleyes: they publish only what Murray gave and withhold everything else , and you wonder why people here question you . Beachlover , you have been here for three months now , could you figure out a strategy to defend murray ? NO.
What about the aortic balloon pump ?
Well, thanks for the medical information here.I didn't say they would know if he gave Propofol but they would know more about the condition of Michael and the condition of the room and the emotional state Murray was in at the time.
Pupils fixed and dilated means he was overdosed and you can still recover from this state. Hard to explain all the things they could have observed at the scene that would be helpful to the DA. As far as asystolic, this can happen within seconds too so you can't 'know' for sure when that happened.
And for the last time : "In medicine, asystole (colloquially known as flatline) is a state of no cardiac electrical activity, hence no contractions of the myocardium and no cardiac output or blood flow. Asystole is one of the conditions required for a medical practitioner to certify death." Pupils fixed and dilated mean the same thing. They worked on him for 40 minutes, because Murray insisted they do so. He was higher in rank.
What does that have to do with the 11.40 Propofol time line?
I had no idea.
Well, I can sit here speculating on several different reasons for delaying the time to the hospital, but I don't know if I am right.
I don't know if he had the foresight to even think about confusing people later on. Maybe he did and maybe its just a theory.
Its easy for me, many months after the event to look back and think what Murray may have been thinking but I have been in Code Blue situations myself and I don't think the same while I am in the middle of it. So...I don't know what he was thinking.
There is nothing to give to reverse Propofol. The treatment for not breathing and asystole (flatline) are identical. So, no, in this instance Murray witholding information didn't hurt anything.
To be honest, if they did give those drugs and still got no response, I am thinking it would not have mattered if they drove him there in 2 minutes.
Hi Soundlover, source please?
The information comes from the search warrant, which states what LAPD discovered. This is from Murray's cell phone records, and they are accurate times of both time of the calls, and of their duration. It most likely has nothing to do with the patient's answering machine. The voice mail lasts for 18 seconds.
This is NOT in the search warrant, unless... *and this is the point where I withhold my speculations and thoughts on this matter, since I'm not on the defense's side*
Beachlover, i am not attacking you in any way, but please explain the inconsistencies.
Thank you.
And then, you're quoting...
Not sure what inconsistency you mean.
Not sure what you are saying here. I am saying what I think and I think we don't have all the information for a reason.
I am not trying to defend Murray but when you say that Flumazenil was not given, and clearly it was found in the tubing, whats the explanation for that?
Just because you want to believe he didn't give it doesn't make it true.
as for the call to MJ's assistant , CHERNOFF already said he called Amir , he told him he was not on the property and Murray had to leave MJ and ask for help .
the two mintues call was to Bob , whether it was a person or an answer machine on the other side , he was calling people , and he used his phone . They said THREE seperate calls that lasted 47 minutes between 11:22 and 12:05.
Bob gave them the message and he claim it was at a different time , the timing on his answering machine was probably not accurate .