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Dangerous 25: what would you like to see happen? [UNCONFIRMED]

HIStoric;4099157 said:
Well, no, it's not 'pointless'. It's good to have feedback from people who have all sorts of opinions.



It's your fault that you played them early, yes. They leaked but you weren't forced to play them. If you chose to not play them, you wouldn't be having this issue now would you?

I've heard a few songs from the Dangerous sessions that aren't out yet but I'm not going to complain if the Estate decides to include them on Dangerous 25. Why? Because it's my fault that I played them early. The rest of the Michael Jackson fanbase and general population should not have to go without these great tracks simply because a small proportion of hardcore MJ fans have already heard them. It's really as simple as that.

If you don't like that the Estate released a lot of already leaked tracks in one sitting... then well too bad. It really comes down to what I said above. On top of that, the fact we heard them a few years back doesn't change the fact most of them are good songs. We've got more new material from The Estate in the last 5 years than we likely would've if Michael was still alive so yes I agree with him, we should be grateful. It's way more than what most fans get from their dead idols.
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You don't agree with my opinion and I don't agree with yours too so I'll ask you only one question. If you were The Michael Jackson's Estate, did you really would released these songs on an album ? The six one that more than 300 000 peoples know (even more for Xscape because there was 800 000 views on this song before Xscape(album) came out. And I think that the hardcore part is not that big)

And actually I've Smooth Criminal Rome '88 so by your logic I should not leak it because maybe in 10 years, The Estate's gonna release it?
 
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lougrizli;4099308 said:
You don't agree with my opinion and I don't agree with yours too so I'll ask you only one question. If you was The Michael Jackson's Estate, did you really would released these songs on an album ? The six one that more than 300 000 peoples know (even more for Xscape because there was 800 000 views on this song before Xscape(album) came out. And I think that the hardcore part is not that big)

And actually I've Smooth Criminal Rome '88 so by your logic I should not leak it because maybe in 10 years, The Estate's gonna release it?
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Dude take a chill pill! I'm one of those fans who hadn't heard most of Xscape before it was released (DYKWYCA, Chicago, STTR - the original version, Blue Gangsta - the original version, Loving You, LNFSG). Its has sold around 1.5 - 2 million copies worldwide, so it seems that these releases were pretty well received by the general public. Not everyone thinks like you :p
 
MAQ;4099312 said:
Dude take a chill pill! I'm one of those fans who hadn't heard most of Xscape before it was released (DYKWYCA, Chicago, STTR - the original version, Blue Gangsta - the original version, Loving You, LNFSG). Its has sold around 1.5 - 2 million copies worldwide, so it seems that these releases were pretty well received by the general public. Not everyone thinks like you :p
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Yeah I totally respect what you're saying and I'm happy that someone like you can really appreciate the album but you can understand too that when you know these songs since 4 years and your waiting for a new album w/ new songs but they announced something that you already know, you can be angry.
 
lougrizli;4099308 said:
And actually I've Smooth Criminal Rome '88 so by your logic I should not leak it because maybe in 10 years, The Estate's gonna release it?
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I think Historic's logic is that sure, go ahead and leak it, and he'd probably download it and watch it. But he's not going to complain if the Estate officially releases it later, because he didn't have to download it. Why complain about something you really knew wasn't official and were darn lucky to hear/see in the first place?

I'm glad I never had the opportunity or access to leaked material, so I am always pleasantly surprised by everything I see and hear. Whether it be on YouTube or officially released by the Estate. But if I did have access to it, I wouldn't complain about the Estate giving me something I had, when I shouldn't have had it.

I bought the Yokohama DVD about 8 years ago on Ebay-and had no idea what I was going to get. I only had the Bucharest DVD at that point, and just ran across it for sale by accident. I almost fainted when I watched it-I hadn't seen any of the BAD tour since 88, except little snippets on YouTube-and I was terrified I had bought something illegal and the piracy police were going to knock down my door-only to find out here that it's been around forever. A lot of us are fanatical fans, but maybe just not computer savvy.
 
barbee0715;4099330 said:
I think Historic's logic is that sure, go ahead and leak it, and he'd probably download it and watch it. But he's not going to complain if the Estate officially releases it later, because he didn't have to download it. Why complain about something you really knew wasn't official and were darn lucky to hear/see in the first place?

I'm glad I never had the opportunity or access to leaked material, so I am always pleasantly surprised by everything I see and hear. Whether it be on YouTube or officially released by the Estate. But if I did have access to it, I wouldn't complain about the Estate giving me something I had, when I shouldn't have had it.

I bought the Yokohama DVD about 8 years ago on Ebay-and had no idea what I was going to get. I only had the Bucharest DVD at that point, and just ran across it for sale by accident. I almost fainted when I watched it-I hadn't seen any of the BAD tour since 88, except little snippets on YouTube-and I was terrified I had bought something illegal and the piracy police were going to knock down my door-only to find out here that it's been around forever. A lot of us are fanatical fans, but maybe just not computer savvy.
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His logic is true if we talk about the "MICHAEL" album because a lot of songs leaked 3 weeks before his officially released on store/iTunes. But with XSCAPE it's 4 years, not 3 weeks. Download MICHAEL songs was my fault, not XSCAPE. It was not announced, if it was THEN it would be my fault too. I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to explain.
 
barbee0715;4099330 said:
I think Historic's logic is that sure, go ahead and leak it, and he'd probably download it and watch it. But he's not going to complain if the Estate officially releases it later, because he didn't have to download it. Why complain about something you really knew wasn't official and were darn lucky to hear/see in the first place?
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner! I'm not necessarily against MJ material leaking, I just don't think you should complain when you go out of that way to find the material and listen to it, only for the Estate to release it later on.

lougrizli;4099308 said:
You don't agree with my opinion and I don't agree with yours too so I'll ask you only one question. If you were The Michael Jackson's Estate, did you really would released these songs on an album ? The six one that more than 300 000 peoples know (even more for Xscape because there was 800 000 views on this song before Xscape(album) came out. And I think that the hardcore part is not that big)

And actually I've Smooth Criminal Rome '88 so by your logic I should not leak it because maybe in 10 years, The Estate's gonna release it?
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Sure, I'd release those songs. They're great songs and I'm not going to let a few thousand people ruin it for a popular artist who has millions of fans (keep in mind many of those YouTube plays would be the same people playing it over and over again).

You can do what you want with SC Rome '88, I couldn't really care. Fans who choose to watch your leak shouldn't complain if the Estate decide release that show in the future though, using the argument that 'they've already seen it'.

On top of that, technically 13 of the tracks on the deluxe album are versions we've never heard. 8 new contemporisations, 1 new 'duet' remix, 4 new demos we were yet to hear (Chicago and Loving You, STTR and DYKWYCA had leaked already but not these original demos). So really, 13/17 (76%) of the songs on the deluxe album were versions we had never heard before.
 
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Lougrizli - If you illegally obtained unreleased songs that were then legally released (no matter how long) then no, you do not have the right to complain. Considering how many lengths Michael himself went to to not have his material leaked (feel free to look up the Dangerous CD truck theft, or the comments from people such as Akon about their disappointment when Hold My Hand leaked for example), then it's your own karma to then in turn hear songs that you had already stolen put out by the people in charge of providing money to his family (IE: his children) from said art (whether we agree with them or not.)
 
Leaks are not something new in music.

It happens all the time serving (many times) promotional purposes.
 
mj_frenzy;4099369 said:
Leaks are not something new in music. It happens all the time serving (many times) promotional purposes.
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I know that. Look, this could very well veer off into a whole Estate debate about what's appropriate to release / what's not / what they should do / what they shouldn't / etc, but I think the main point of the current debate is that, while I'm just as guilty as the next guy for listening to leaked material, the point of my comment was that it's unfair to complain about leaked material ending up on a studio album simply because you've heard it in the past and for that reason think you're entitled to something else/more/better/etc. in regards to songs. Fair?
 
TinnyandOdd;4099466 said:
I know that. Look, this could very well veer off into a whole Estate debate about what's appropriate to release / what's not / what they should do / what they shouldn't / etc, but I think the main point of the current debate is that, while I'm just as guilty as the next guy for listening to leaked material, the point of my comment was that it's unfair to complain about leaked material ending up on a studio album simply because you've heard it in the past and for that reason think you're entitled to something else/more/better/etc. in regards to songs. Fair?
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Generally speaking, I am always skeptical when it comes to a leak.

Take, for example, the song “Show me what you got” (Jay Z) when it spread like wildfire among the radio stations after it was leaked. From a marketing perspective, it proved a wise move.

A leak, also, may serve feedback purposes. So, if a leaked song (in its early version) receives positive feedback from the audience (fan/non-fans) then it will probably get an official release later.

In short, I cannot tell for sure if I am entitled or not to complain as long as different reasons lie behind of a song’s leak. I hope that you agree on that.
 
lougrizli;4099308 said:
If you were The Michael Jackson's Estate, did you really would released these songs on an album ? The six one that more than 300 000 peoples know (even more for Xscape because there was 800 000 views on this song before Xscape(album) came out. And I think that the hardcore part is not that big)
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Michael is no longer around to make new music - what he recorded is all the Estate will ever have to use. If the Estate decided not to release any of the music that leaked online, there would be a huge dent in the vault, considering there are at least twenty to thirty songs freely available online and not on an official project. The Estate needs to conserve the unheard material, and this is as good a way as any.

And actually I've Smooth Criminal Rome '88 so by your logic I should not leak it because maybe in 10 years, The Estate's gonna release it?
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And by your logic, if you were to leak it, the Estate should never release it. Nonsense.
 
AlwaysThere;4099498 said:
And by your logic, if you were to leak it, the Estate should never release it. Nonsense.
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If the Estate chose to never release leaked concerts, I bet half the Fandom would leave :p
 
TinnyandOdd;4099466 said:
I know that. Look, this could very well veer off into a whole Estate debate about what's appropriate to release / what's not / what they should do / what they shouldn't / etc, but I think the main point of the current debate is that, while I'm just as guilty as the next guy for listening to leaked material, the point of my comment was that it's unfair to complain about leaked material ending up on a studio album simply because you've heard it in the past and for that reason think you're entitled to something else/more/better/etc. in regards to songs. Fair?
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Personally:

1. If an official version of the song leaks prior to its official release, then it would have been all the same to me.
or,
2. If an early version of the song leaks & I am not included in those who have already sent a positive feedback, then I would have complained about its official release (because I will get an official version of the song that I do not like).
or,
3. If an early version of the song leaks & I am included in those who have already sent a positive feedback, then I would not have complained about its official release (because I will get an official version of the song that I like).
or,
4. I do not know if I have to complain or not because I can never be sure about the quality of the rest of the stuff that still remains unknown.

As a result, I cannot give a specific answer.
 
I do remember being quite angry when I found out that Xscape only had two completely unheard songs. But it dawned on me quickly that I'm only one person in a small percentage of fans who have heard these songs already - these are new tunes as far as most of the general population is concerned.

I'll admit freely that I would completely rearrange the track listing if I had the chance - cut Do You Know Where Your Children Are and Blue Gangsta in favor of something we haven't heard yet - but I'm not going to sit here and be upset over the handful of reasons why the album let me down. Unless the bads outweigh the goods, there's no reason to cry and moan about it.
 
AlwaysThere;4099619 said:
I do remember being quite angry when I found out that Xscape only had two completely unheard songs. But it dawned on me quickly that I'm only one person in a small percentage of fans who have heard these songs already - these are new tunes as far as most of the general population is concerned.

I'll admit freely that I would completely rearrange the track listing if I had the chance - cut Do You Know Where Your Children Are and Blue Gangsta in favor of something we haven't heard yet - but I'm not going to sit here and be upset over the handful of reasons why the album let me down. Unless the bads outweigh the goods, there's no reason to cry and moan about it.
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I never said that I don't like Xscape [except the two songs that you mentioned "DYKWYA(new version)" and "Blue Gangsta(new version)"] But I critic The Estate for multiple problems since Michael's death. Fake songs on MICHAEL, horrible quality for Wembley and now this. You can never 100% appreciate a release.
If they release S.C Rome in 10 years, I'd be very happy, I can watch the same concert 10 times per days.

I would like to apologize if I seems angry sometimes when I'm talking. (y)
 
Has there ever really been an official statement that they even considered making a Dangerous 25 edition?

Or has it always just been fan speculating?
 
Hess;4099777 said:
Has there ever really been an official statement that they even considered making a Dangerous 25 edition?

Or has it always just been fan speculating?
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Way too early to announce what would be a 2016 project.
 
HIStoric;4099778 said:
Way too early to announce what would be a 2016 project.
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OK, I just thought that since fans have been talking so much about it they may had said something that could at least indicate that a D25 is even considered.

And now we are talking so much about D25 - it seems very positive that a OTW 35th anniverasary is not coming... - A 40th anniversary seems more likely then... :)
 
Just an opinion, but it seems like The Estate are more or less stuck on 80's Michael. We have Bad25, soon to be Off the Wall (though not exactly 80's but close enough), and you never ever ever hear anyone stop talking about Thriller. Bad25 was arguably one of their best shots at outside fandom sales and it didn't do as well as they had anticipated, so considering History's anniversary was completely ignored, I wouldn't be surprised if Dangerous will be too?
 
TinnyandOdd;4099814 said:
Just an opinion, but it seems like The Estate are more or less stuck on 80's Michael. We have Bad25, soon to be Off the Wall (though not exactly 80's but close enough), and you never ever ever hear anyone stop talking about Thriller. Bad25 was arguably one of their best shots at outside fandom sales and it didn't do as well as they had anticipated, so considering History's anniversary was completely ignored, I wouldn't be surprised if Dangerous will be too?
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Doesn't technically need to be anniversary editions they could just release expanded editions/tours on Blu-Ray & or in cinemas
 
Oh I agree Zakk. I want behind the scenes stuff and tours more so than "new" music if you catch my drift :p Not to mention that since we're talking about Dangerous specifically, for me personally it's always been my favourite era / album / etc. I want this stuff as much as the next fan, I just don't want to get my hopes up since the Estate has sort of let me down with everything since MJ's death, ya know?
 
TinnyandOdd;4099814 said:
so considering History's anniversary was completely ignored, I wouldn't be surprised if Dangerous will be too?
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Well that's because for Thriller, Bad and Dangerous it was/will be their 25th Anniversary. HIStory's recent anniversary was only its 20th. Makes sense to wait another 5 years and keep it consistent :)

I think there will be a Dangerous 25. It's the most obvious project one could release next year.
 
Dangerous is one of Michael's greatest albums so I really hope the estate will release an anniversary edition for 25 years!
 
I think an anniversary edition of Dangerous would be fantastic. They could dust off the old video album, tour and the best remixes from the era and add on some of the aforementioned vault material.
 
I really really really want to see more in the studio recording like we got with that Bruce Swedien / MJ ET clip awhile ago.
 
TinnyandOdd;4099905 said:
I really really really want to see more in the studio recording like we got with that Bruce Swedien / MJ ET clip awhile ago.
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That, and those Dangerous rehearsals-dying to get my hands on a DVD of those. :)
 
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