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I wasn't really aware there was a fixation about not releasing a 1993 show. Is there? Personally I feel he looks a little bloated and tired on the South American leg and the Moscow concert was a disaster due to the sub zero temperatures, however Bangkok and Singapore? Not sure. Watching snippets, clips etc, from memory Japan looks like it could be good, Tenerife looks like it could be interesting. As I say, for me it's just the South American third tier of the tour where everything seems to (pardon the pun) go south. He looks tired and bloated, he doesn't always look geniunly happy and looks drained of energy at times, like throwing in the moonwalk at times during Jam seems like he's playing for crowd reaction because he's simply too tired to pop or be spontaneous.mj_frenzy;4112115 said:This fixation about not releasing a 1993 show is becoming really inexplicable.
So what your actually saying there is, as well as Michael having to deal with sexual molestation accusations and being high and bloated, and missing vocal and dancing cues, breaking down in tears, several delays (which to be fair can be edited out and isn't a problem) there's also the possibility of technical difficulties?? You originally brought up technical diffuclties as a way of suggesting the 92 shows could all potentially, or mostly have problems. I sort of agreed with you saying the first 6, but now your saying, "no, reappearing in different forms & times". As I've said before, I have no problem with technical deficulties as long as MJ looks, comes across, and is happy, energetic, fully engaged, and wants to actually be there, and hasn't moments/hours beforehand had his home raided and been accused of molesting children. I want to watch a concert where MJ is at his absolute best and getting the same excitement back from the crowd as he's giving him. During Mexico the audience (and their a brilliant supportive audience) are willing him across the finishing line.mj_frenzy;4112115 said:I know that you are beyond debating but I have to provide some answers:
1. Any technical difficulties are not usually ironed out by the first 5 or 6 shows.
Technical difficulties (as imponderable factors) cannot be forecasted & usually keep reappearing in different forms & times, even after many dates.
For example, take into account that the Bucharest show, the final show from the first leg, was plagued by various errors & mistakes. That’s why, the HBO version is essentially a mix of different shots from different shows. Notice some songs from the BBC version (the original version that included exclusively the Bucharest show) & you can see the major differences by yourself.
Yes and No: Fans will see an unwavering support, anyone with any compassion and empathy in their hearts will see a man who shouldn't be on that stage to begin with, All will see one of the lowest points of his life and feel the tangible meaning of the phrase "nothing stops the big machine" i.e. worked to death for making other people money.mj_frenzy;4112115 said:2. A possible 1993 live release (for example, the Mexico show) does not show at all an absolute lack of understanding towards the man’s dignity and plight.
People will see the enormous, unwavering support that MJ received from the audience during those months. Take into account also that half a million (in total) people attended those Mexican shows honouring, in this way, his dignity & sympathizing with his plight in the best possible way.
It's not something I was directing at you specifically and apollogies if it came across as such. Being more specific what I mean is 'it's an attitude thats applied by a certain type of fan who craves anything MJ so much that their selfishness and desires to fullfil their own specific needs overrides any type of emphatic feelings or compassion. I would also include Sony/estate in that equation. There is no longer a moral compass or understanding of the person as human. It's inhumane. Hey the Romans had The Colosseum, the Spanish still have bullfights and the running of the bulls. It's part of the human condition.mj_frenzy;4112115 said:3. By saying that MJ was dependent on painkillers in 1992 I did not mean to try to justify that it was ok that he was high whilst performing in 1993.
This is just a correlation you made up on your own.
I never said (or implied) that thing, let alone to use it as trite way to justify anything.
Who am I to suggest otherwise? Personally, for me, I draw the line at the Mexico 93 show. I'm actually going to watch the tower version again in the coming days to make certain I'm not living in some sort parallel universe to the fans that think this concert is incredible and would love to see it released and in theatres. The man has had his home raided, he's been accused of molestation, due to this, as well as the possibility that he's absolutely burnt out from jet lag, insomnia, exhaustion, he begins to rely on strong pain medication (and were all aware we're not talking about a few Disprin pills) and that he's tired and emotional on stage, taking breaks to (in all probability) top-up. At times he's going through the motions and is stagnant, other times he's lost, other times he's performing through tears, other times he's euphoric and smiling, but all of it, in my mind is sad.mj_frenzy;4112115 said:T. I do not think at all that it has to do with a clearly different perspective of the difference between right and wrong.
For example:
There are fans that really enjoy the 1992 shows.
There are fans that really enjoy the 1993 shows.
There are fans that really enjoy the 2001 MSG shows.
etc.
I mean different people like different things & thus they have a desire for different official releases.
For me, this is perfectly normal & of course it has nothing to do with the difference between right and wrong. It just comes down to every single fan’s personal taste.
For example, although MJ encountered great human difficulties during those MSG 2001 anniversary shows, I am pretty sure there are a lot of fans who really enjoy these 2 concerts. They are not to be blamed for that, of course.
Lastly, there are millions of fans who express their honest sympathy & devotion towards MJ in multiple ways. The fact that they probably want an official, 1993 live show obviously does not take their fan loyalty away in the slightest.
I love the 92 shows, I'm pretty sure there's a few 93 shows pre-South America that I would love (there are moments and performances from South America that I love such as Dangerous and WYBT from Buenos Areis) , I'm uncomfortable about the 30th Anniversary shows, and I adore anything Destiny, Triumph, Victory and Bad.
Mexico 93 also lacks a decent setlist such as Beat it, WDAN, Bad and TWYMMF. And if memory serves the stage dosent elevate. So for me it's one of the worst shows to release for every single reason I can imagine. This is not the show (wether it's HD or not) that I would be racing to put up on the big screen to say to my family, friends, music fans that "this is what MJ is all about!" It is not in my opinion (for whatever it's worth) representative of great, classic, magical MJ.
But hey, thats just me.
Anyways, this release isn't something thats actually going to happen.
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