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Did MJ die in pain?

I don't think he died in pain. Cardiac Arrest, that must have been quick, maybe in sleep. He probably didn't even realize. At least he didn't have to die in pain. There are much worse ways of death, if I can say that. Farrah Fawcet and cancer - that must have been painful. But I don't think Michael's death was painful.
 
The friday after i found out he died i thought about this, and thought oh god please dont say he was in pain, my mum reassured me that he wasnt. She said that he was probably out of it so unaware.
I dont believe he died in pain. I pray that he didnt, bit i should have thought so. He was unconcious so surely he wouldnt have known what was going on and not felt anything. He deserved to die a peaceful death if not anything else. Im sure God wouldnt have allowed him to die in pain anyway. God bless you Michael. :( This thread is too sad.
 
MJ suffered sudden cardiac arrest.. therefore he would not have felt any pain.. MJ would have just basically went to sleep..

If he was given those drugs when he died then he would have been asleep anyways and wouldnt have felt anything..
 
a bit off topic,
but what about these rumours?

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/29/jacksons-son-saw-him-collapse-12388/

they have been everywhere too..I read it in a norwegian newspaper..
when did that rumour stop and it turned into Mj coming from the doctor's bedroom and then into his own and then suddenly died there?

so much speculation

if he collapsed in the living room.. well.. I just hope he didn't have any pain!
no matter how it happened! there or in the bedroom.
 
Apart from those people who were there in the house at that time, no one knows what heppened. It is all speculation.
 
its very upsetting to even consider whether he died in pain and truthfully we likely will never know for certain but from my basic understanding of the drugs involved and what we have been told happened its likely he fell asleep and then lapsed into unconsciousness. so im assuming it was peaceful. i hope it was
 
hilliver said:
If he died from Diprivan he would not have suffered. If you have ever had surgery or been put out it is quick and painless. He would have been unconcious when he stopped breathing. That is the only comfort we have. He suffered so much in life at least at the end, if this was the cause, he would not have known he was dying, never had pain or fear, or a long illness like cancer.
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You know its a blessing to die like that with no pain...to just die in your sleep.
 
i'm sure he did not feel anything... he just slept and went home to Heaven with God... i am totally at peace with that... and this makes things easier to accept... just believe that he is with God now... free from all the pain he has suffered here on earth. we will see him someday too, just TRUST in God like Michael Jackson did...
 
no he didn't feel anything, he went to sleep thinking he was going to wake up and next day and go back to a busy day of work, his mind was probably buzzing with plans and anticipation when he fell asleep
 
I have not actually allowed myself to think about how Michael experienced his death until this moment. If what Peter Pan and Victoria are saying is true, and Michael's heart just slowly stopped and he drifted into an unfathomable sleep, until his spirit left his body, then despite my sadness that His time had come to leave us, I am grateful to God for taking Michael "home" in the most peaceful way possible--as though even the angels carried him with the deepest respect. He endured so much pain in his life, and yet he continued to see beauty and to give love. Thank God that Michael was spared pain in death.
 
maggiemay said:
You're right they're both the same.
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They are two separate things. Check one of the other pages in this thread, someone explained the difference...

My biggest fear is not dying (especially now that MJ is in heaven which means I'll get to see him again!!) it's the manner in which I die that scares me. I always hope to go peacefully or at least for me to not suffer.

I pray to GOD that Michael didn't suffer, I just can't bear that thought. I hope it was a peaceful thing, where he just slipped away and into God's arms.

Okay and I'm crying. I'll stop typing now...
 
HeartbreakHotelMJJ said:
They are two separate things. Check one of the other pages in this thread, someone explained the difference...

My biggest fear is not dying (especially now that MJ is in heaven which means I'll get to see him again!!) it's the manner in which I die that scares me. I always hope to go peacefully or at least for me to not suffer.

I pray to GOD that Michael didn't suffer, I just can't bear that thought. I hope it was a peaceful thing, where he just slipped away and into God's arms.

Okay and I'm crying. I'll stop typing now...
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I am a doctor. Heart attack is a layman's term for myocardial infarction (or lack of oxygen supply to the heart, either due to blockage of an artery or due to acute and massive loss of blood), while cardiac arrest means the cessation (or stoppage) of the function of the heart entirely (heart stops beating). They are not the same, but they are related to one another. If the heart attack won't get resuscitated within 30 minutes, it will go into cardiac arrest. Hope this helps...
 
Trennyboo said:
I think Michael died peacefully in his sleep with no more pain or worry of this world. Mabe when he saw the light on the other side it was too beautifull to turn back.....I think he found the peace on the other side that he could never find here.
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I hope and pray this was the case....
love and miss u so much Michael
 
I hope not, after everything he went through, I'd like to believe God had mercy on him in this way at least.

:(:(
 
Only from personal experience with administering Propofol on a daily basis in my profession, I'd say no, he did not suffer or die in pain, but in this situation, no way to know. Normally pain can be presumed if while under propofol anesthesia if there is an increase in heart rate and blood pressure, at which time pain med is administered if relevant to situation.

It really is comparable to being unconscious, but from a medication induced standpoint.

Now what went on in Michael's case, heaven only knows. It wouldn't be out of the question that he was also receiving some sort of pain control at the same time, either before sedation, or during sedation via IV push, and that in itself is not indicative of anything if continuous cardiac/respiratory/oxygen saturation is maintained. I don't know what physical pain Michael was experiencing post rehearsals, so I certainly cannot make any assumptions about anything in any direction. Just stating what I know from personal experience administering Propofol, and in many cases, pain control in tandem.

Once you take this whole situation out of a critical care/OR setting, it gets more than a little murky and suspicious.

jmo
 
LUVU4LIFE said:
You know its a blessing to die like that with no pain...to just die in your sleep.
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This is exactly what my Mum said and I so agree. I believe he had no pain, slipped into unconscienceness, just like nodding off to sleep and not up waking up.

Nobody likes the idea of death but that way is so much better than being in pain for years say from a terminal illness. My Dad was in pain for 3 years due to cancer and would have loved for him so go without suffering.
 
Dimity said:
I have not actually allowed myself to think about how Michael experienced his death until this moment. If what Peter Pan and Victoria are saying is true, and Michael's heart just slowly stopped and he drifted into an unfathomable sleep, until his spirit left his body, then despite my sadness that His time had come to leave us, I am grateful to God for taking Michael "home" in the most peaceful way possible--as though even the angels carried him with the deepest respect. He endured so much pain in his life, and yet he continued to see beauty and to give love. Thank God that Michael was spared pain in death.
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Awwwwww this is such a beautiful post. I am all choked up! And I had been doing so good this hour.
 
I really hope he died without pain.

He had sooooo much pain in his life, so I just hope he died without it.
 
If it's true he died because of a Propofol overdose as well as other medications like Xanax and Demerol in his system he wouldn't have had a clue. He would have been completely and utterly unconscious to begin with due to the Propofol (that was the point in taking it) and since it was anesthesia no pain would have been felt and even if by any miracle it could have the Xanax and Demerol would have stopped any pain.

He could of been hit by a train in that state and not felt a thing.

So, if what we're hearing about the cause of death it true then the one thing we can safely assume is that he would of died peacefully.
 
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