[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only one thing that disturbs me a little is LaToya's story about the million dollar check. Ridiculous as it may be (which it is), how could LaToya knew about Safechuk's father's work?

Why wouldn't she know? The Jacksons knew Safechuck. He wasn't a secret from them.

She could've heard it from MJ, from Katherine, from a paper before 1993.

When I spoke to a Neverland night security guard from 1988-1989, he was really positive about MJ, and he mentioned Safechuck, and said he didn't like James' father, but wouldn't tell me why. I wondered if James' father didn't like MJ and had trashed him, or was rude or bad mannered at Neverland - which could explain why James has done this. If their family had issues because of MJ, if they held a resentment towards him because of everything that happened, if there was a falling out in some way, then it could explain why James would feel he should do this, and have the support of his parents too.

 

[VaNiL]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I personally think these guys have some resentment against MJ. I do believe that Michael almost "adopt" them (creating tensions in the family) and then, when he got bored or tired of them or their families, just shut them out. Leaving them and their families broken and butthurted. I know this can't be applied to Robson, but I think is what happened with Chandler and Safechuck. Even with Brett Barnes (even though he is still positive about MJ).

It has to be hard to be like the best friend of your idol and the biggest star of the Earth and being nobody the next day.

 

[seany]

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Im sorry but is there a fan code somewhere saying that to be a fan i have to think a certain way? Cant someone raise concerns without being jumped on like piranha food? Damn guys, im not saying that i believe anything right now, i just want to reserve judgement until the evidence is presented in court. Because no offense or anything, but if he DID do what these guys are claiming he did, they have every right to be heard

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have to be honest here - I smell a T-R-O-L-L in disguise....

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I personally think these guys have some resentment against MJ. I do believe that Michael almost "adopt" them (creating tensions in the family) and then, when he got bored or tired of them or their families, just shut them out. Leaving them and their families broken and butthurted. I know this can't be applied to Robson, but I think is what happened with Chandler and Safechuck. Even with Brett Barnes (even though he is still positive about MJ).

It has to be hard to be like the best friend of your idol and the biggest star of the Earth and being nobody the next day.

I don't believe MJ got "bored" or "tired" of people - I believe he got suspicious about motives and agendas and tried to cut them out to save himself.

Culkins, Brett, Omer, Cascio's, Agajanian's, etc were never cut out of MJ's life.

The people who were - the Glenda Stein family, Jordan's father, those were the people who MJ cut off because he suspected something was off (and he was right!). Also Frank Cascio, who MJ believed didn't want to testify for him, so MJ got hurt and cut him off.

I suspect there's some issue with Safechuck too.

 

[VaNiL]

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I don't believe MJ got "bored" or "tired" of people - I believe he got suspicious about motives and agendas and tried to cut them out to save himself.

Culkins, Brett, Omer, Cascio's, Agajanian's, etc were never cut out of MJ's life.

The people who were - the Glenda Stein family, Jordan's father, those were the people who MJ cut off because he suspected something was off (and he was right!). Also Frank Cascio, who MJ believed didn't want to testify for him, so MJ got hurt and cut him off.

I suspect there's some issue with Safechuck too.

100% agree. Something HAS to happened with Safechuck's family after 1994. It is NOT normal he just dissapeared. Not even a quote from him. Weird. Something happened. Maybe with his father or someone else.

 

[Soundmind]

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I believe if indeed the relationship was as bad as some here suggest they would have accused him in 2005 with a civil trial in mind later, as Jason planned with his new brand claims at the time. My guess Chucky is heading into his 40th, has two kids with some financial problems and this is the way he believes will secure his future and that of his family.

 

[bluetopez]

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I have no issue about distancing from people that you feel don't have your best interests at heart or no longer give u a reason or purpose to be in their lives. I don't and won't hold that against MJ! These people are childish if that is/were their reasons!

 

[marebear]

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It's pathetic whatever their reasons to do this to Michael. They have no soul and no morals. My hope is that they don't get away with this.

 

[analogue]

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I have no issue about distancing from people that you feel don't have your best interests at heart or no longer give u a reason or purpose to be in their lives. I don't and won't hold that against MJ! These people are childish if that is/were their reasons!

I've distanced myself from people myself. Only difference is I'm not a multi-millionaire like Michael

 

[MJresearcher]

From DD's article:

In 1994, La Toya also told the TV interviewer Geraldo Rivera a story of how she and her mother once found a cancelled check she said Michael had written for $1 million, made payable to the father of one of Michael’s most frequent boy pals.

Since the check was cancelled it'll be hard to make too much out of it.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From DD's article:



Since the check was cancelled it'll be hard to make too much out of it.

A canceled check means it's been paid:

A check that has cleared the depositor's account and has been marked as "canceled" by the bank. A canceled check has been paid by the drawee bank and endorsed by the payee, the payee's bank, and the Federal Reserve Bank. Canceled checks can also be used as proof of payment.

But like I said before there are other problems with that claim. 1) LaToya is not trustworthy. (And no, just because she told a story in which she linked an alleged check to a family she could know about it doesn't mean the story is true.), 2) For argument's sake, let's say they did see some check. But LaToya still could have exaggerated about the sum. 3) Whatever the sum was a check in itself wouldn't proove it's been paid because Michael molested Jimmy. That's one hell of a jump to conclusions. Michael was generous with EVERYONE. Michael helped everyone in any way he could. Unfortunately some try to use that generousity against him now, but he did give expensive gifts to a lot of people - not only to children and parents of children around him. Like when Chris Tucker (I think it was him) once made a lighthearted note about how he liked MJ's modern, flat screen TV and Michael was like "Take it. It's yours." Michael was like that with EVERYONE. This family allegedly was poor at the time so (for argument's sake again, IF payment ever happened) maybe Michael paid them money to help them. Or gave them a loan. It could be anything. To conclude it's proof of molestation is ridiculous. 4) The whole "he paid it as hush money" argument crumbles when you look at the timeline. Like I said before, LaToya and Katherine last lived with Michael around 1987-88. So that's when they could have found that check, if they did. But Jimmy and his family's relationship with Michael went on until at least 1994. So again, how did this "hush money" thing happen then? Jimmy's parents realize MJ molested Jimmy in 1987? Michael pays them $1 million? And then they let the relationship continue for at least 7 more years? What kind of parents would that make them? It would basically be child prostitution and the parents then should be held accountable for it and they should be the No 1 people along with MJ whom Jimmy blames. Actually he should blame them even more than Michael then, because they are his parents who let him down and failed to protect him! Unless they are totally estranged I don't see him blaming them, just like Wade doesn't blame Joy. From that little snippet we got from his lawsuit through his lawyer on TMZ it does not seem to me like he blames his parents. I mean that story was about how MJ took him out of school to take him on tour, boo-hoo what an evil guy that MJ is. No mention of the parents. No mention of how it was possible for MJ to take him out of school without the parents' permission (it isn't possible). No mention of the fact that his mother traveled with them on tour as well... So just like with Wade it seems they try to blame everything on MJ, while totally leaving their parents out of the story. Which is very telling.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A canceled check means it's been paid

Ah, I thought it wasn't paid at all, I never dealt with checks personally. Thanks for that. I don't know how anyone can think using anything La Toya said will work in their favour in the first place, although I've seen people do it in an attempt to "prove" MJ was guilty of something. That's really grasping at straws.

 

[passy001]

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Can I just say that Xscape has entered the uk charts at number 1. I think this shows that the general public see this BS for the scam that it obviously is. I can't believe that this has gone as far as it has. I hope that these punks are hung out to dry. In 2005 they would have been courted by the prosecution but no need as they could still leach of Michael. Now they come up with ludicrous claims that are so far fetched that nobody, apart from known haters, believe them. I hope this ends soon.

Hoorayyyy. Take that Wade! guess what? the public is in love with MJ right now. The billboard award was a smashing hit even though i personally don't like the hologram idea. but if the public likes it, so be it.

what's more, MJ is set to be number 1 in the US chart tomorrow. so the smearing campaign by Wade and co was an EPIC fail.

 

[MJresearcher]

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what's more, MJ is set to be number 1 in the US chart tomorrow. so the smearing campaign by Wade and co was an EPIC fail.

I bet Diane Demon is throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old because her shitty plan didn't work. I always love it when things don't work out for her.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Timberlake won 7 prizes , MJ got a standing ovation while Google first page has no mention of Chucky. Must have been a very hard night for Wade and his pal lol

 

[ShipOfFools]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't get what they have to gain from this. What exactly do they have to gain?

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

tens of millions of dollars only

 

[ShipOfFools]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

tens of millions of dollars only

At the risk of damaging his kids?

Safechuck said that it's because he's a father now, but Michael has three children, who are probably bothered by this. Why is he going after this, when he knows he'll hurt children?

 

[myosotis]

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I personally think these guys have some resentment against MJ. I do believe that Michael almost "adopt" them (creating tensions in the family) and then, when he got bored or tired of them or their families, just shut them out. Leaving them and their families broken and butthurted. I know this can't be applied to Robson, but I think is what happened with Chandler and Safechuck. Even with Brett Barnes (even though he is still positive about MJ).

It has to be hard to be like the best friend of your idol and the biggest star of the Earth and being nobody the next day.

Thinking about what these guys have said about 'realisation' hitting them when they have their own children.... perhaps MJ's friendship with these boys undercut their relationships with their own fathers. Perhaps they realise that, now that they have children of their own. Young boys would naturally be dazzled by their famous friend, and it would be hard for any father to match up to him.

I don't think he necessarily got 'bored' with them. I think he mainly wanted to immerse himself in 'childhood' to try to recapture what he had lost....I don't think MJ felt that he had lost his teenage years so much...and of course he remembered his brothers teenage years all too well.

 

[MJresearcher]

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At the risk of damaging his kids?

Safechuck said that it's because he's a father now, but Michael has three children, who are probably bothered by this. Why is he going after this, when he knows he'll hurt children?

Some people lose their conscience when they want something badly enough. If he won money in the civil trial he may never have to work again and the same could go for his own kids. Maybe he doesn't care about MJ's kids, he'll likely never have to come face to face with them and explain what he's done anyway.

 

[HIStory]

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It's always funny to me when people wonder if people are really capable of making up such a lie for money. As if that did not happen over and over and over again in Michael's life. Provably. Starting from the Chandlers to all the ex-employees that sold salacious stories to tabloids for money. None of those stories existed before they saw the chance of cashing in on such stories... And we aren't talking only about the allegations but every other aspect of MJ's life in which people threw him under the bus for money.

Also, how is it hard to believe that people would make up such a lie for money, yet it's easy to belive that parents over and over and over again would pimp their children out to a pedophile for money and fame turning a blind eye? Or alternatively ALL of them were so stupid that they did not notice anything about such things as their kids repeatedly being raped for many years. Because if you want to believe in these allegations these are the type of things that you will have to believe.

People can kill for $100 dollars. So why is it so hard to believe that they would lie for millions? And people who are selfish and have no morals couldn't care less about the feelings of MJ's kids.

This exchange was on Wade's old website, many years ago when he was still a dancer. It came from someone who knew him (presumably his cousin). You can get some clues about his personality: "He always has to get things his way, no matter what, even if it hurts other people." I can imagine that for people like Wade and James Michael's children weren't even a thought on their mind when they started this. Selfish people do not think of anyone else but of their own interests.

 

[HIStory]

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I don't think he necessarily got 'bored' with them. I think he mainly wanted to immerse himself in 'childhood' to try to recapture what he had lost....I don't think MJ felt that he had lost his teenage years so much...and of course he remembered his brothers teenage years all too well.

But it's a myth he dropped people when they came out of childhood. Most of the people whom he befriended as children remained his friends well into adulthood. Obviously he dropped the Chandlers because of the allegations and he dropped the Arvizos because he sensed from the very beginning they were no good. Actually the Arvizos never were that close to him. Most of the time Michael went out of his way to avoid them. Jason Francia wasn't a close friend either. Wade remained a close "friend" until MJ died (now of course we have to put the word "friend" in quotation marks). Omer remained a friend. The Cascios remained friends when they grew up etc. It is rather the exception than the rule when he dropped people after they grew up and, like La_Cienega said, that always had it's other reasons, not that they grew up.

Thinking about what these guys have said about 'realisation' hitting them when they have their own children.... perhaps MJ's friendship with these boys undercut their relationships with their own fathers. Perhaps they realise that, now that they have children of their own. Young boys would naturally be dazzled by their famous friend, and it would be hard for any father to match up to him.

Yeah, that's something I wondered about too. I re-read Wade's testimony from 2005 yesterday and when he talks about his father it looks like they did not have much contact after they moved to the US. He said they visited him at home in Australia on Christmas every two years. Though he said the father did come to visit them in the US a couple of more times. But because of Wade's career and because Wade, Joy and Chantal moved to the US the father became a distant father. Maybe one element in his resentment is that Wade started to feel he missed out on quality time with his father as he was growing up and in some twisted way started to blame Michael for it. #1 motive is money for both, I'm sure, but there could be such undercurrents of resentment in both cases.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nice work, good find! Very interesting!

 

[ShipOfFools]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nice work, good find! Very interesting!

How do we know that was actually someone in his life?

I know celebrities use the internet, but I'm skeptical about everything, since as a MJ fan I've seen a lot of people making up lies on the internet.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It was on the forum of his old official website waderobsonfans.com (it's not active any more). The title of the thread is "John, I know we shower you with questuions!lol but..." I think the "John" is actually Jon, his cousin. He was answering questions about Wade. There is no proof I can provide to you that it was really written by Jon Keller (his cousin) but we know that Jon Keller was the one who ran his website. I think it's authentic. You don't have to believe it. I'm sure if it goes to court a lot of info will come out about Wade's personality anyway and it's not why his case is not credible, just a little addition.

The point is, why do you think people would not lie for money when they do over and over and over again?

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

you can check how he revealed he slept with Britney (actual quote) while she was still dating Timberlake. It might give you a glimpse of how twisted this guy really is

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How do we know that was actually someone in his life?

I know celebrities use the internet, but I'm skeptical about everything, since as a MJ fan I've seen a lot of people making up lies on the internet.

It was Wade's cousin Jonathan who wrote that. He even made the website and forum for Wade's *fans. I know because I was the one who found out about the site. I saw it mentioned on some old W.R Yahoo groups page, while searching for W.R interviews. Someone on the Yahoo groups page said it was owned by Wade's cousin. The link on the groups page no longer worked (old, shut down website)so I then looked up the old website using the wayback machine website. I got to see parts of the website, and I remember I saw that there were a lot of things on that site which confirmed that Wade's cousin was in fact the one who made the site, and was the one who was commenting to Wade's *fans on the forum. Also I know from his FB and YA he has a lot of experience with computers and web design, so he could easily have made that website.

 

[HIStory]

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you can check how he revealed he slept with Britney (actual quote) while she was still dating Timberlake. It might give you a glimpse of how twisted this guy really is

What is that quote?

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

i don't have it, it was posted either here or on mjjkop , truly disgusting person

 

[ShipOfFools]

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Oh, I didn't say that I didn't believe it was in him to be like that. I don't believe the allegations, at all, and I think it is terrible how Michael isn't here to defend himself.

I didn't believe the 93 allegations, I didn't believe the 2003 allegations, and I don't believe these, either.