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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course I'm thinking about PP&B but I've been a fan my whole life . MJ is the soundtrack to my life. As a father of 4 kids, who are everything to me, child abuse is not something I can forgive or tolerate. So what if this is proven or true?? I don't know how to say goodbye to the soundtrack to my life, music would be dead for me. Every other artist I have discovered or listened to over the years has stemmed from a love of MJ and the jacksons. I also think of the jacksons and their legacy. I've said in the past that this sorry mess exists in part due to MJ and choices he made that has effected his legacy very negatively. Imagine his legacy without this bullshit. It would be unparalleled.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you feel that way stop being a fan. Nothing anyone can tell you is going to make you feel better
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

djlf said:
Of course I'm thinking about PP&B but I've been a fan my whole life . MJ is the soundtrack to my life. As a father of 4 kids, who are everything to me, child abuse is not something I can forgive or tolerate. So what if this is proven or true?? I don't know how to say goodbye to the soundtrack to my life, music would be dead for me. Every other artist I have discovered or listened to over the years has stemmed from a love of MJ and the jacksons. I also think of the jacksons and their legacy. I've said in the past that this sorry mess exists in part due to MJ and choices he made that has effected his legacy very negatively. Imagine his legacy without this bullshit. It would be unparalleled.
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If you are so worried that it's true why don't you research these allegations? What do you know about the Chandlers? The Francias? The Arvizos? What makes you think their allegations might be true? Do you know how those allegations emerged and what they were about? If not, just ask.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You believe Wade repressed memories of 7 years of sexual abuse and only just remembered last year? Really?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

djlf said:
Of course I'm thinking about PP&B but I've been a fan my whole life . MJ is the soundtrack to my life. As a father of 4 kids, who are everything to me, child abuse is not something I can forgive or tolerate. So what if this is proven or true?? I don't know how to say goodbye to the soundtrack to my life, music would be dead for me. Every other artist I have discovered or listened to over the years has stemmed from a love of MJ and the jacksons. I also think of the jacksons and their legacy. I've said in the past that this sorry mess exists in part due to MJ and choices he made that has effected his legacy very negatively. Imagine his legacy without this bullshit. It would be unparalleled.
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You should better get out of here then. No place for you here, find someone you can truly love and appreciate without abandoning him!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I understand that people are worried, and im sure no one here finds these new allegations funny. However, IMO, the 2005 allegations were serious sh*t. It could have cost MJ his life, his career, his everything. Yet people stood behind him, investigated the claims and the proof and ended up deciding that he was indeed innocent. I say if you could do him the favor of waiting until you heard the allegations and HIS defense then, why cant we do that now?
Let's not waste time worrying about what to do with our fandom until 1: we've actually heard what the scumbag claims, 2: seen his proof, 3: had him explain himself and 4: possibly let a jury decide.
Stop with the worrying. That's what Wade and his team wants. He wants to create enough doubt in MJ's supporters and the general public to force the Estate into settling. If he really wanted to hurt MJ, he would've come forward in 05 and helped throwing MJ in jail for life.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:sigh: I guess some of you were right about the calm before the storm. Wade can enjoy all the publicity he likes, but he'll be condemned forever. We'll see what the courts have to say. He will be hurting before long I think.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is sickening.
 
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In Vegas, there is a Magician by the name of Criss Angel. Wade Robson did some choreography for Criss's Show back in 2007 and now Criss Angel and Cirque du Soleil have revamped Criss Angel's Show "Believe," that the choreography that Wade Robson did is no longer a part of the Show. http://lasvegasmagazine.com/2013/04/13/do-you-believe/

I'm convinced that neither Cirque du Soleil or Michael Jackson's Estate think enough of Wade Robson's talent to keep him on payroll.

Already Shane Sparks is changing his story because Shane Sparks had his own troubles and for what ever reason the publicity did him more harm than good of his opinion of what Wade Robson is alleging. http://perezhilton.com/2013-05-14-s...on-wade-robson-molestation-story#.UZQA3bWTg0w


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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

in regards to sudden memory of repressed memories :)rolleyes:), is there a statue of limitations on that?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How does someone who had some terrible memories flood back at them, enter the airport smiling? He should be looking withdrawn, haggard, sad, etc. Not entering as though he just won a battle. All this shows nothing sinister happened to him.

He ran away & now runs back. Who is paying for these quick international trips? For all we know, the lawyer might have contacted the network.

The estate better stay strong & do not back down. I really hope in some way Wade can be tried in court, because that is the only way in which the public can see all his lies unfold. We already know that the Today people will not challenge him, or ask pertinent questions. We already see the way they handle Muarry, by not bringing up his inconsistencies. They will do the same with Wade, and the public will not get a sense of the situation that led up to the filing, the video footage while he was supposed to be in a collapsed state, etc. The public will be fooled just like some fans here who are wavering in their belief in Michael's innocence.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is a civil lawsuit now? I don't understand how this is fair to Michael. He is dead and cannot even defend himself against this. He shouldn't be talking to the media. He doesn't even care about Michael's kids. After everything Michael did for him and helped him this is how he repays Michael back?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just wanna THANK the TRUE FANS that KNOW their FACTS and are on MJs side even through the HARD TIMES (which matter most) and are not ready to bounce when shit hit the fan! Everyone else can take the front door out!-_-


I will remain here for MJ, I ain't goin no where cause the FACTS are on HIS SIDE!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Zoe Saldana. Also: "Today's Real Estate"; an eliminated contestant from "The Voice"; cheating in college; moonlighting jobs.

According to the Today schedule the aabove is what is happening tomorrow. So where is WR in this schedule? I went to their website and no where did I find anything on WR.

This guy is completely bogus and not credible. Nobody, no media outlet is bringing this up at all. They know this is bogus. This guy is clearly out for the money; if he can't get it from the probate court he now runs to the civil courts. Can someone here explain to me how can someone file a civil lawsuit against a dead man? or can they sue the estate?

I hope to God and I pray this guy pays for this big time!!

 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Big Apple2 said:
Oh and it's downright laughable that Wade wants to blame the MJ related corporations for NOT protecting him.
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The tabloids claimed back in '93 that Wade was given the record deal as a payoff and bribe, I think he will use that as to why he lied back then while it was supposedly happening. If Sony and MJJ Productions and other MJJ corps. are really listed in the suit, this could be why.
 
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djlf;3823941 said:
Of course I'm thinking about PP&B but I've been a fan my whole life . MJ is the soundtrack to my life. As a father of 4 kids, who are everything to me, child abuse is not something I can forgive or tolerate. So what if this is proven or true?? I don't know how to say goodbye to the soundtrack to my life, music would be dead for me. Every other artist I have discovered or listened to over the years has stemmed from a love of MJ and the jacksons. I also think of the jacksons and their legacy. I've said in the past that this sorry mess exists in part due to MJ and choices he made that has effected his legacy very negatively. Imagine his legacy without this bullshit. It would be unparalleled.
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How could it possibly be proven true? If there was any tangible evidence that MJ was a child molester, it would have come up a long time ago. The FBI investigated the man for 20 years and found nothing. All Wade has are his "repressed memories", which are not credible at all. Here's what Wiki has to say about it:

The existence of repressed memory recovery has not been accepted by mainstream psychology,[SUP][55][/SUP][SUP][56][/SUP][SUP][57][/SUP][SUP][58][/SUP] nor unequivocally proven to exist, and some experts in the field of human memory feel that no credible scientific support exists for the notions of repressed/recovered memories.[SUP][59][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP] One research report states that a distinction should be made between spontaneously recovered memories and memories recovered during suggestions in therapy.[SUP][61][/SUP] A common criticism is that a recovered memory is tainted by, or a product of, the process of recovery or the suggestions used in that process.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Many critics believe that memories may be distorted and false. Psychologist Elizabeth Loftus questions the concept of repressed memories and their possibility of them being accurate. Loftus focuses on techniques that therapists use in order to help the patients recover their memory. Such techniques include age regression, guided visualization, trance writing, dream work, body work, and hypnosis. Loftus' research indicates that repressed memory faces problems, such as memory alteration. In one case a teenage boy was able to “conjure a memory of an event that never occurred.” According to Loftus, if a stable person could be influenced to remember an event that never occurred, an emotionally stressed person would be even more susceptible.[SUP][62][/SUP]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memory

Note that sentence in bold. If it is true that Wade "recovered" his memories during therapy after a mental breakdown, I can't imagine that any court would accept this as credible evidence. It wouldn't surprise me if Wade actually believes MJ molested him because I don't know why else he would do this to his long-time deceased friend after vehemently defending him for so long. He can't be that greedy, can he?
 
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LindavG said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memory

Note that sentence in bold. If it is true that Wade "recovered" his memories during therapy after a mental breakdown, I can't imagine that any court would accept this as credible evidence. It wouldn't surprise me if Wade actually believes MJ molested him because I don't know why else he would do this to his long-time deceased friend after vehemently defending him for so long. He can't be that greedy, can he?
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Good find. Loftus is one of the leading experts on false memories, here's another good article for those interested in the topic http://cogprints.org/600/1/199802010.html (long read). Long story short - repressed memories can't exactly be proven nor refuted, it's a very vague area. Which is of course why it's such good material for a bogus lawsuit.
 
After reading this:

In July, 2012, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that repressed memory is not acceptable as evidence in a legal action and is the equivalent of superstition, hearsay or "junk science."[SUP][70][/SUP][SUP][71]
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In 1995, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, ruled in Franklin v. Duncan and Franklin v. Fox, Murray et al., (312 F3d. 423, see also 884 FSupp 1435, N.D. Calif.)[SUP][72][/SUP] that repressed memory is not admissible as evidence in a legal action because of its unreliability, inconsistency, unscientific nature, tendency to be therapeutically induced evidence, and subject to influence by hearsay and suggestibility. The court overturned the conviction of a man accused of murdering a nine-year-old girl purely based upon the evidence of a 21-year-old repressed memory by a lone witness, who also held a complex personal grudge against the defendant.[SUP][18][/SUP][SUP][73][/SUP][SUP][74]
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On 16 December 2005 the Irish Court of Criminal Appeal issued a certificate confirming a Miscarriage of Justice to a former nun Nora Wall whose 1999 conviction for child rape was partly based on Repressed Memory evidence. The judgement stated that: "There was no scientific evidence of any sort adduced to explain the phenomenon of ‘flashbacks’ and/or ‘retrieved memory’, nor was the applicant in any position to meet such a case in the absence of prior notification thereof." [SUP][76]

Does California law even accept "repressed memory" as evidence in a court case? Is there any precedent where it was accepted or dismissed? I don't really know how the California justice system works when it comes to this.

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Some might find this strange, but Wade going to court is great news to me. He needs to be there. Many people think it is easy to go to court. Your attorney may prepare you a little and you think you will be comfortable. However, it is the cross-examination that is a killer, and in cases with rape & other sexual crimes, the cross-examination is the worse. Notice how uncomfortable Wade was when the prosecutor cross-examined him? Now think of the estate attorney asking Wade systematic questions about everything. He will be asked what brought on the breakdown; what questions were asked for the memory to come back; about times & dates of recalling & the molestations as well. He will be asked where he was & what was he doing on specific days. He will be asked what he did immediately after the memory came back, because they want to see if his behavior is consistent with someone who just realized this horrible information. They will ask what he did a few days later. They will ask him what Michael did & if he moved away or pushed Michael's hand away, etc. They will bring in his drug problem & ask him if he had a drug induced hallucination. They will check his spending, his credit, his investments and see when things started tumbling down. And on and on. He will be crucified on the stand.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, remember, we have to copy everything what Wade is going to say or claim.
Try to re.open your files about the 1993 and 2003-2005 cases, find Wades testimony, everything he has ever said and confront people and the world with facts!
Use this info blogs
- http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/
- http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/veritas-project/

Be ACTIVE on the nets discussions, add your comments, legal info and testimony, just BE ACTIVE!

You should be aware that guys from TMZ or even Robson are on this board and looking at our discussions... like snoopers.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Great points Linda. I'm sure the estate lawyers will be more than ready to fight this. This whole thing is ludicrous.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

tinkerbelle74 said:
And I'd like to say to "djlf", I can feel your pain, I feel exactly the same way as you do. I am also soon in my 40s, two kids and a huge fan who has read so much about MJ. And now this?? I cannot comprehend it... Why?? I am not completely buying to money motive... There must be sth more to it...? ;-(
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you need to take your passive-agressive ellipses to some other place.

i can understand you posting your doubts on some sub-forum but this whole board is dedicated to michael jackson.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Petrarose said:
Some might find this strange, but Wade going to court is great news to me. He needs to be there. Many people think it is easy to go to court. Your attorney may prepare you a little and you think you will be comfortable. However, it is the cross-examination that is a killer, and in cases with rape & other sexual crimes, the cross-examination is the worse. Notice how uncomfortable Wade was when the prosecutor cross-examined him? Now think of the estate attorney asking Wade systematic questions about everything. He will be asked what brought on the breakdown; what questions were asked for the memory to come back; about times & dates of recalling & the molestations as well. He will be asked where he was & what was he doing on specific days. He will be asked what he did immediately after the memory came back, because they want to see if his behavior is consistent with someone who just realized this horrible information. They will ask what he did a few days later. They will ask him what Michael did & if he moved away or pushed Michael's hand away, etc. They will bring in his drug problem & ask him if he had a drug induced hallucination. They will check his spending, his credit, his investments and see when things started tumbling down. And on and on. He will be crucified on the stand.
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Yes, I want him to go to court so his lies can be exposed. Otherwise this will just linger on and people may still have doubts.
 
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melly flew us said:
you need to take your passive-agressive ellipses to some other place.

i can understand you posting your doubts on some sub-forum but this whole board is dedicated to michael jackson.
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That doesn't mean people can't express their doubts. There's no need to shout down people who have questions. FWIW, I think there is more to it than just money too. Could it be an attempt to sabotage future MJ projects because he wasn't chosen for the Cirque shows? False memories induced by therapy sessions after a mental breakdown? Who knows what's going through his mind.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah we know they snoop, but it will not do them any good. Wade will still lose that case because he did not take into consideration several aspects of law & psychology and he forgot that his story has to have internal consistency. He was a fool to go to a lawyer and psychiatrist before he told them everything he was up to which would harm his case.

Here you have a psychiatrist & therapist going along with a repressed memory idea when they do not know that the field that they work in sees this as a coo coo scenario from Fantasy Island. Look at all the professionals in the field who have written against this. Why didn't the people that Wade went to when the idea was formulated know that repressed memory is a wrong thing to take into court?

Why didn't the lawyer ask Wade what he was doing prior to the memory coming back & caution him about how to act & what to do until his case was tried? They let Wade run wild, & so we have all this evidence to show that Wade does not appear to be traumatized. Then we have this "Entering the Airport" footage to show to the jury a happy, jubilant victim.

The estate lawyer will also have a sequence of dates showing what shows Wade worked on; those in which he was replaced by another person; etc., so that they could show from point A to the time Wade filed, what exactly happened with him & his work. All that will give the jury a good idea about why this repressed memory decided to show up on cue.

Oh & the person who said they are glad Wade will be on tv is right. Let him go there and speak. Let him open up & tell his facts. These are the things that will also come back and haunt him in court. Let him give documented evidence like all the documented evidence we have of him when he should have been in a collapsed phase.
 
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djlf said:
Of course I'm thinking about PP&B but I've been a fan my whole life . MJ is the soundtrack to my life. As a father of 4 kids, who are everything to me, child abuse is not something I can forgive or tolerate. So what if this is proven or true?? I don't know how to say goodbye to the soundtrack to my life, music would be dead for me. Every other artist I have discovered or listened to over the years has stemmed from a love of MJ and the jacksons. I also think of the jacksons and their legacy. I've said in the past that this sorry mess exists in part due to MJ and choices he made that has effected his legacy very negatively. Imagine his legacy without this bullshit. It would be unparalleled.
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What gives you this doubt? Have you researched and studied the cases? Like Respect777 said if you have questions then ask. Myself having reaseached and been through the trial being on the board back in the day when everything went down I can say that facts are on Michaels side. Nothing added up so for me there is no doubt.

A bunch of people could say whatever they wish until they are blue in the face it doesn't make it true. Not the same thing but look at The Flat Earth Society. Some people still claim the world is flat. We are able to prove that it is not with fact. We are able to say Michael is innocent because of Wades own words and of course facts because we know the cases etc.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only person abused here was Michael. He was abused physically, emotionally, verbally, psychologically and financially most of his life. He was abused by the media, the paps and the public. He was used by people and people looked at him like he was an ATM machine. Michael wouldn't hurt a bug on the stage let alone a child. What he suffered as a child always stayed with him and I don't believe he would traumatize another person because he knows what it's like to live with pain from abuse. I also think if the Today show really has him on that it really shows how desperate they are as well.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
Apparently Wade is going to give an interview on the Today Show tomorrow.

Brace yourselves, guys.
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From David Edwards!

Guys, I have some BAD NEWS! The Today Show has CONFIRMED that tomorrow, they will conduct a LIVE TELEVISED INTERVIEW with Wade Robson! This is absolutely UNPRECEDENTED, because this will be the firs time that ANYONE has publicly accused MJ of abuse! None of the other liars even did a print interview, nevermind a live, televised one!

I truly hope that Matt Lauer has done his homework, and will use Wade's 2005 testimony and the numerous tributes to MJ after his death to impugn the validity of Wade's allegations. (I assume that Laure will do the interview, since he announced it.) But, if he grills Wade and attacks his integrity, it will look as if he's "attacking" a victim, and it will look bad. I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see how this turns out!

The "stuff" is really about to hit the fan, so everyone get ready for battle!!!
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By LunaJo

http://www.facebook.com/groups/wdhtmj/permalink/471302686279045/




And here we go... More lies about Michael. :( :perrin: *big sigh*
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

We know that David Edwards. Who is David Edwards?
 
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