[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

True^^. I already gave some cd's to some 21-year olds and they were overjoyed. Let's continue to celebrate & promote the music even though we are keeping an eye on these shake downers.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did the estate seriously tell us to stop discussing it? - was that an official statement or something? Weird thing to do, who are they to tell us what to spend our time doing. Don't bother your little heads on these allegations, they're not important, just go out and buy our product. It's only fans like respect, lac and others who post the receipts, court docs, spend time rebutting these accusations that allows the fan community to go out into the wider world and online and start changing folk's perceptions and knowledge about mj and counter all the accusations against him. And they do a damn sight more about this than i've ever seen from the estate.
I'm going to have to assume that statement onir posted is fake, as i am so riled by it and it does not fill me with any confidence whatsoever that the estate is remotely interested in defending mj in this area.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You know what, bring it the F*** ON! Enough is enough. It's time to squash all these liars once and for all. We got to set the standard here, it's time to completely extirpate them and show them no clemency!
Like they did in the medieval times when they executed tyrants and hanged their body parts all over the corners of the country. excuse me for sounding so gore but we have to make a vicious statement cause this has to stop, now!

Preach !

I'm wondering, would all this be going on if he was still alive ? Would he have had to fight off liars again and again and over and over and again and over ? *smMFh*
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They are saying let them handle it. Stop the estate hating for just a second
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

no, Slash was not supportive of MJ the person.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I noticed this on Jimmy Safechucks website documenting his portfolio:

http://e8interactive.com/

He designed Slash's official website! I'm sure him and Slash had loads of MJ related stories to share with one another... Slash has always defended MJ
No he did not.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't know if it was posted before but:

"Also The Estate Of Michael Jackson wanna remind you all that:

"Any attention that the fan community is dedicating to following these issues is energy that could be better spent on celebrating Michael's music. Right now, the general public is ignoring these distractions and the community would be better off doing the same.""

This week should be all about Xscape and nothing else.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152356528113614


I agree.

I think that this shows that the estate will not let this go. It's now up to the lawyers to fight it out.

We can still discuss it here (a closed forum), but not on any of the official websites. That's for Michael's actual legacy and none of the lies.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That statement may have been from the Online team whose job, it seems, is to keep us fans focussed on the positive.

If it is a statement from them, it should not be confused with an official statement from the Estate on the situation with Safechuck.

And we should not fret about how the estate will deal with these cases IF they come to court. As fans we have a considerable amount of knowledge, but we don't know what the Estate knows. They have chosen not to fight their case in the public (much like Mesereau). These men are experienced professionals they know when to come out swinging in the public domain and when not to. AND they would be able to hire investigators to find out things that we would have no clue about.
 
Last edited:
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

it was posted on the official MJ FB page, is the page handled by the MJOnlineTeam as well? As far as I knew only Twitter was handled by the team or am I misinformed?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You know what, bring it the F*** ON! Enough is enough. It's time to squash all these liars once and for all. We got to set the standard here, it's time to completely extirpate them and show them no clemency!
Like they did in the medieval times when they executed tyrants and hanged their body parts all over the corners of the country. excuse me for sounding so gore but we have to make a vicious statement cause this has to stop, now!

AMEN!!! We need to show these people that lying on Michael Jackson just because you see it as a quick way to get some money is not gonna get past any of us. I'm done crying and feeling angry, shoot, I'm getting so serious. Angry and ready.


I agree. I think this should go to Court now and dealt with once and far all. Bring in Jordan! Bring in Gavin and Jason again! Lets go through all that crap again. Let's show the jury how all that was BS and these two are none the less BS too! Enough is enough.


We should ask Tom Mesereau to grill the hell out of them and make them look stupid with their own answers like he did Gavin and his foolish family.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In these situations we gotta support Michael more than ever. So blast his music from your car, wear his T.shirts in public and wear them proudly.

Hell, I might even get a tattoo!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They are saying let them handle it. Stop the estate hating for just a second

I agree. I think what the estate and I think Passy are implying is that we should not dwell on this and get down, but go out and enjoy the album as well; or don't give this more of our attention than we will give to the celebration. Some in the thread are already feeling down, which is what Wade, Chuck, DD and the attorneys want. They want people to focus on this more and less on celebrating Michel and his music. They want fans to be sad and the general public filled with disgust with Michael. We should not let them win. We should celebrate the album, post about it, share it, etc., while we keep an eye on this mess, but not give it more attention than we give the positive things going on right now.

I know we are all humans and feel pain when something like this keeps happening over and over. However, it is still up to people like us to push the positive things going on right now and bring that to the forefront, being assured that the mess is being taken care of in the background by competent lawyers. We don't even have the details yet..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did the estate seriously tell us to stop discussing it? - was that an official statement or something? Weird thing to do, who are they to tell us what to spend our time doing. Don't bother your little heads on these allegations, they're not important, just go out and buy our product. It's only fans like respect, lac and others who post the receipts, court docs, spend time rebutting these accusations that allows the fan community to go out into the wider world and online and start changing folk's perceptions and knowledge about mj and counter all the accusations against him. And they do a damn sight more about this than i've ever seen from the estate.
I'm going to have to assume that statement onir posted is fake, as i am so riled by it and it does not fill me with any confidence whatsoever that the estate is remotely interested in defending mj in this area.

They didn't say that. You miss read it. They said:

"Any attention that the fan community is dedicating to following these issues is energy that could be better spent on celebrating Michael's music. Right now, the general public is ignoring these distractions and the community would be better off doing the same."
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel bad for MJs kids :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's not from the official facebook page, it's from a fan page, sounds like they contacted the MJOnlineteam.

I wish the estate would talk to the knowledgeable fans about these cases so we could discuss and get an idea of an approach. I've been disappointed all the constant use of Blanca Francia hasn't had them pointing out all the major flaws in her testimony.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Vici Yes, and they have no one near to them who knows the facts about the allegations. I mean the family members never answered questions about it properly when the media questioned them, which means they are not informed. Now who are the kids going to get the truth from? Who will they go to?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm glad to hear many of the comments on the TMZ article are showing skepticism, that's good news. There are more news outlets reporting the story but it's been slow to catch on which is unusual. Other things going on at the same time have helped too, it'll be a distraction at least for a while.

Diane Demon concerns me, she's been at this for a long time and seems very obsessive. Doesn't she own things that once belonged to MJ? Kind of disturbing when she's supposed to hate the guy. She'll shit all over him but says nothing about Victor Gutierrez. He seems pretty suspicious so why doesn't she go investigate him? She's told plenty of lies about MJ over the years, but I wonder what skeletons are in her closet?

She's always getting inside information but why would anyone want anything to do with her? If you were really abused in the way these men claim they were wouldn't she be the last person they'd want to hear from? She's a vulture and I doubt she really cares about these people, she's just there for the story. The way she deal with fans is childish too, I've seen a number of people post screenshots of emails or facebook messages where she's said something to them and immediately blocked them. She can dish it out but she can't take it!

I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut BUT I do think this is a Rupert Murdock brainchild from Day One.

Fact #1. Victor Gutierrez was a broker (aka 'free-lance journalist') selling stories to the tabs. He is the guy who basically set MJ up IMO and then after he collected info (he says he hired a PI at one point to locate MJ's potential 'victims') he made $ selling to the tabs. He is connected with Orietta Murdock, Blanca Francia, the NL 5, and of course--the Chandlers. It's possible he was funded at least in part by NAMBLA, or powerful, well-heeled NAMBLA members. He collected a set of file folders and writes a draft of his book and goes to LAPD and DD very early on in 93 when the allegations appeared in August.

Fact #2. Relying on VG, DD starts to write about MJ--she gets others involved--Maureen Orth, Nancy Grace--goes on talk shows claiming stuff that never happened--love letters, videotapes, etc. BUT meanwhile she and Maureen are chummy bbf with Sneddon and the entire SB team investigating MJ.

Fact #3. The minute the Sun puts the allegations on the front page, all hell breaks loose. See PBS Tabloid Truth: The MJ Story for this horrible pack of tab 'journalists' and the lowlife scum looking to pay off 'insiders' all rushing to LA. This is where the Murdock scum get involved. From now on it's a feeding frenzy of lowlifes.

Fact #4. Maureen Orth was married to head honcho newscaster (Tim Russert--Meet the Press) at NBC--both ardent Catholics, like Sneddon. IMO there is a big NBC vendetta against MJ from this time onwards. Basically the networks are competing with the tabs and tab TV for ratings--and they are just as eager to cash in.

Well--the phone-hacking info from Clive Goodman, who worked for News of the World (Murdock paper), today is his admission under oath that he hacked Kate Middleton's phone 155 times (also he hacked into Prince William and Prince Harry's phones), starting in 2001 when she started dating Prince William.

I bring this up to show the lowlife morality of the tabs and their willingness to sink as low as possible to get a 'story' that will sell papers. Bashir comes straight out of that world. These are the people that went after MJ (and other celebs) and IMO Murdock promoted their behavior, and he has a horrible political and economic agenda that he spreads all over the globe.

There were 2k reporters covering the trial--the media had 'blood lust' for MJ. I just hope one day it will all be exposed and the whole tab industry will go down the toilet 'for all time.'

DD worked hand in hand with the prosecutors from Day One, using VG as a source and funneling info to the prosecutors and then in turn receiving info from them. No doubt Wade's law firm is in communication with Zonen re SB files. Zonen could be her source. She should be in jail for spreading lies about MJ.
 
Last edited:
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone notice that Chuck has a different lawyer? I thought both men would join together and have the same lawyer.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Vici Yes, and they have no one near to them who knows the facts about the allegations. I mean the family members never answered questions about it properly when the media questioned them, which means they are not informed. Now who are the kids going to get the truth from? Who will they go to?

Certainly not the people around them. Their father avoided them like the pest throughout his life, the only time they saw them except for the get together Michael went to in May 2009, was in June 2005.
They may have some influence on them now, since they've been living with them for 5 years and will continue to live with them for some years in the future, but at a certain point, at a certain age, questions will arise one of it being why their father never took them to spend time with their additional relatives except on very few occasions, or why they were never invited to hang onto Michael and his children.
You also have to keep in mind that numerous family members have made either direct or indirect ambiguous statements concerning the child molestation accusations against their father, much of those statements are well documented either in print or on tape.
As sad as reality is, they don't have anyone to turn to.
I wish there was someone working for Michael to get the truth out, to get the message out and to uncover the entire p****ery behind these allegations, and those working behind close doors to tarnish him/his reputation.

I can't help but feel that the wrong guy is laying six feet under. The fact that folks like Demon, Sneddon, Zonen, Disgrace, Maureen, Arvizo's, Chandler's, Blanca, and everyone else is alive and Michael dead, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Something went horribly wrong, and Michael shouldn't have been the one buried going by nature's karma policy.
 
Last edited:
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone notice that Chuck has a different lawyer? I thought both men would join together and have the same lawyer.

Wondering if it's some personal lawyer, because Dimond/estate reported that they're sharing the same one for this case.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Anyone notice that Chuck has a different lawyer? I thought both men would join together and have the same lawyer.

I think the lawyers might be working together trying to add strength to both cases so they can double-team the estate.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wondering if it's some personal lawyer, because Dimond/estate reported that they're sharing the same one for this case.

Oh I see. Remember that Wade's lawyer was vocal in attacking Michael in support of his client when he spoke to TMZ. Now why is he being quiet about Chuck? Why is it this other lawyer who attacks Michael. Do you think Wade's lawyer is trying to make it seem as though he has nothing to do with Chuck coming forward, so they got this other lawyer to be the public mouth piece, wile Wade's lawyer deals with the court proceedings? I wonder if Wade's lawyer will charge Chuck only if they win the case? When they lose this case I want the estate to ask for legal fees from both men!!
 
Petrarose;4005567 said:
Anyone notice that Chuck has a different lawyer? I thought both men would join together and have the same lawyer.




Gradstein and Marzano work together in the same company.
http://www.superlawyers.com/califor...-PC/d648514f-6886-44b3-b2ed-31c7249b3933.html

maryann marzano's Summary


With Senior Partner Henry Gradstein, Of Counsel Harvey W. Geller and other attorneys at Gradstein & Marzano, P.C., our firm is currently handling numerous high profile entertainment cases including a suit against MediaNet on behalf of Grammy and Oscar nominated singer songwriter Aimee Mann for wilful copyright infringement, against CBS for back-end profits to the new hit television series Hawaii Five-0, a suit on behalf of Scott Weiland against Stone Temple Pilots for being “fired” by the band, a claim on behalf of choreographer Wade Robson for childhood sexual abuse against the Estate of Michael Jackson, a claim for copyright infringement against Paramount Pictures on behalf of the writers of G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra for misappropriating treatments and pitch materials in the sequel G.I. Joe: Retaliation, a claim for reversion of copyrights to the songs of rock legend Marc Bolan of T.Rex on behalf of his son, Rolan Bolan, and numerous other matters.

Gradstein & Marzano, P.C. is also representing various individuals, corporations and other business entities in a variety of commercial litigation matters. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maryann-marzano/11/489/3b7

They are clearly working together on this, as both have also made very similar statements to TMZ.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So DD was commenting on TMZ? Talk about a desperate act for credibility.
I'd love to see Xscape reach #1 on the Billboard charts. As they say the best revenge is success.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Post Removed
 
Last edited:
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Estate IS doing something about it, they have to follow the court process. They aren't going to show their hand and let Robson & Safechuck craft their stories to fit around it. Look what happened when Geragos couldn't keep his mouth shut and leaked those DCFS documents showing Gavin denied being molested after the original charges said it happened, what did Sneddon do? Re-file the charges to make them fit.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh I see. Remember that Wade's lawyer was vocal in attacking Michael in support of his client when he spoke to TMZ. Now why is he being quiet about Chuck? Why is it this other lawyer who attacks Michael. Do you think Wade's lawyer is trying to make it seem as though he has nothing to do with Chuck coming forward, so they got this other lawyer to be the public mouth piece, wile Wade's lawyer deals with the court proceedings? I wonder if Wade's lawyer will charge Chuck only if they win the case? When they lose this case I want the estate to ask for legal fees from both men!!

It's the same law firm. Marzano and Gradstein both work for both Wade and Safechuck. From one of Wade's court papers:

2zxs4sy.jpg



When they came out commenting and embracing the Sunday People (fake FBI files) article last year that was also Marzano commenting it, not Gradstein.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Debbie Kunesh @Writinglady 8 h
Just got off the phone with Tom Mesereau. He has given me permission to share this statement with all of you.
"It's outrageous and ridiculous (these news claims coming out by Jimmy Safechuck and his lawyer). This man has spent years denying that he was ever improperly touched. These false attacks on Michael Jackson are becoming a "Comedy of the Absurd!"
I am waiting for Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien and Ellen DeGeneres to join as plaintiffs (just kidding).
I won't be surprised if Diane Dimond claims repressed memory and alleges that she was molested as well." ~ Mr. Thomas Mesereau
 
Back
Top