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My sentiments exactly
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Yes exactly and Ill add this :doh::blink: :huh: :scratch:
why would those fans lie about him saying he only wanted to do 10? I can't think of why they'd make that up and its not as if they said it since he died it was said before. My mind is open to anything, why would they make that up? Honestly why? They'd want him to be well surely.
maybe fan wanting attention would make somthing up
but not lots of fan who love MJ and have followed him for years and years meeting him many times
they woulnt lie
plus they have evidence they sent those emails. Karen has acknowledged she received them
i cant see any way this isnt true
why would those fans lie about him saying he only wanted to do 10? I can't think of why they'd make that up and its not as if they said it since he died it was said before. My mind is open to anything, why would they make that up? Honestly why? They'd want him to be well surely.
Thanks for that link 'Gaiaschild' it was a interesting read. I'm starting to believe more and more that he was a 'cash cow' for Barrack, Tohme and AEG and once they thought he wouldn't do all 50 gigs they killed him - that is just my opinion and in no way fact as none of us know the 'real' truth and I doubt we ever will
The e-mails still have me :blink:
Which ones? u on the right thread?
There's not a lot we can be certain of, but it looks like Jermaine introduced Michael to Tohme. Then Tohme wound up owing a large precentage of the Neverland real estate. Jermaine very early-on was pressuring the family, and public opinion, to have Michael buried at N/L. Why? MONEY. Tohme also scheduled an auction that it turned out Michael did NOT want. Michael almost lost all his precious belongings. Then we hear that Tohme's "people" may have threatened the auction house CEO's with violence! That was insane! (Is that how Tohme is used to doing business? Is that how he treated Michael, too? Don't know. . .) It was the type of auction that might happen after a person is DEAD! Like an estate sale. Pictures of Tohme show him always close to Michael, with a vise-grip on his arm. And scowling. Then suddenly Tohme is gone and Dileo is IN. But then Tohme shows up at the hospital WHY??????
Was Michael genuinely fearful for his life in his own home? Did Tohme threaten to HURT our precious Michael? We just don't KNOW. Was Michael literally unable to get rid of Tohme for awhile? Maybe Dileo said, "I'll get rid of him for you." But actually was in on the whole thing? SOMEONE, somewhere, must know the answers to these questions.
I'd be extremely surprised if Frank follows through and answers our questions. I hope he does, but. . . . . . .
I just posted this below in this new thread about Tohme and a recording of Michael played on the Today show talking of being fearful of Tohme... http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32537060#32537060 http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2141164#post2141164
"Is Jermaine still associated with Tohme does anyone know? What worries me if this is true is Tohme's links to Colony Capital(who own most of Neverland) and Philip Anschutz, owner of AEG. If you haven't already read this article I posted in this thread:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72708 (or link to article which was printed before Michael died in the LA Times here - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1)
It made me think after reading that and knowing of all their links 'were they planning on opening Neverland like Graceland and is that why Jermaine(friend of Tohme) was pushing for a burial there as it would bring more profit. I mean if this clip of Michael talking is true then WHY was Tohme at the hospital with Jermaine when Michael died when he'd been fired...?!"
WHY was Tohme at the hospital with Jermaine that day if he'd been fired....?! Is he still involved with Jermaine...?
Perhaps he is. I have to admit that I hadn't really thought that much about it until you put it that way.
Just why was Tohme there if he had been fired? He was standing there in the background when Jermaine made the official announcement at the hospital.
We all know that Jermaine was the one who was heavily pushing for MJ to be at Neverland. My suspicions is that Tohme put him up to it. The family probably doesn't trust Tohme anymore than they trusted Murray.
And we have to remember that Tohme worked for Tom Barrack of Colony Capital.
Tom Barrack also has neighboring property near NLVR.
Tom Barrack connected MJ with Philip Anschutz for AEG to back the TII tour.
Tom Barrack's Colony Capital and Anschutz's AEG were PARTNERS in the TII project.
~~~This is what I think. ~~~
I think that CC/AEG had been working MJ to do this project for at least a year, especially once Barrack stepped in to save NLVR.
I think that Raymone Bain was still in MJ's employ during the early push, but didn't really have anything to do with setting them up together, but because she got MJ to sign that ridiculous contract, she felt entitled to a cut (even though she later signed an agreement that nullified that contract and she knows it).
Tohme Tohme's name started popping up when MJ got back to the States, just around the time that Bain was being kicked to the curb...
What's the mystery here is when MJ decided to do the AEG deal. At some point in late 2008, both AEG and AGE was involved with pursuing MJ. I suspect that during some point during the AEG push, MJ's father got thru with Leonard Rowe AND Frank Dileo on the AGE deal. Even if he never signed anything, MJ may have agreed in principle to the deal.
I believe that AEG got to Frank Dileo and Dileo switch hitted and took MJ with him to AEG. Meanwhile, Tohme was turning the screws by putting MJ shyt up for sale. I believe now this was done as leveraged blackmail to force MJ to accept the AEG deal - 50 shows. If I recall, the auction was announced before MJ announced the TII shows.
Then the auction was abruptly cancelled but not without making a settlement with Julians because Julians had already put out a considerable expense in staging the auction and was entitled compensation. However, MJ's side did a pre-emptive strike by suing Julian's first and then that's when Julian came out and said that he was threatened.
As it turns out, Tohme did indeed 'threatened' Julian, but not with the NOI. The NOI was just a weak ass cover story diversion from the muscle Tohme was laying down, with the backing I believe from AEG.
Then Tohme was made 'the fall guy' and made to 'go away' as if all of this were his fault. But Tohme never left the scene.
AEG used the LA Times as its legitmate media spring board to keep the pressure on MJ to make sure he didn't back out of their deal.
After MJ died, Tohme re-emerges in full face at the hospital, this time behind Jermaine Jackson -- the person who introduced MJ to Tohme Tohme in the first place.
Tohme then starts to muscle Jermaine into getting him to pressure the family to place MJ at NLVR so that they could turn it into a money making venture ah la Graceland. Since Barrack is a wealthy resident of those parts, he would have used his influence to eventually get the property re-zoned for that purpose.
Heh. But they ran into a brick wall and her name was Katherine Jackson. The family sided with Kate over Jermaine and there was nothing Tohme Tohme could do about it.
But don't think it's over. They will wait Mrs. Jackson out until she dies and they will try again and that is when all hell will break loose.
Mark my words on this one.
I keep reading little things about that, even about his burial date that the family was divided on having it on the 29th. Now it's in September. I heard that Jermaine has a new Bentley. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, who bought it for him and why? Cuz he sure as hell don't have Bentley money.Mello, thanks for your VERY intelligent post. The points you raise make a lot of sense.
I hope Katherine lives a LONG time. She is up against an incredibly powerful, and dangerous, machine. Michael might not even have been aware of how locked-in he was, or he might have made different arrangements in his will, giving Katherine more power over his estate? Don't know. . .
It would be interesting to know, from inside, if there are now rifts in the family? Jerm seems to have appointed himself spokesperson, to advance his own finances. I wonder if they are even speaking to him, now?
What was Jermaines relationship like with Michael? I don't know too much about Jermaine but he's said a couple times in the media that he was Michaels voice and his backbone, is that accurate?
Absolutely NOT "his voice and his backbone." As IF?
Michael kept a distance from all of the family, pretty much. He did keep in touch with Katherine, though, and trusted her. I'd expect that his relationship with Jerm was NOT too good. Jerm persisted in "announcing" J-5 reunion tours (every few years, another announcement), to the extent that Michael sometimes had to issue statements denying that any such tours were planned. Jerm seemed stuck in the past (still is), and his only hope of reviving a career long-past was in the J-5, or "The Jacksons," and only if Michael were involved. I'm sure there was a certain amount of pressure on Michael to do something he didn't WANT to do, and didn't HAVE TO DO. As if?
I find Jerm's public appearances (Larry King, and other shows) to be offensive. If he had all this "brother-love" for Michael, why the HELL did he introduce him to Tohme? (see developing Tohme thread, on the main forum.) I believe it was Jerm who paved the way for Michael to go to Bahrain, which ultimately resulted in that squirreley "2 Seas" fiasco, and cost Michael a lot of money in legal fees and a settlement. Mostly, in my opinion, the times when Michael let Jerm into his life, wound up very badly for Michael.