French fans sue Jackson doctor for distress

how about the reading the entire statement, before singling people out and jumping on them? YOU do realize how that makes YOU look, right?
Like I said earlier, I wouldn't do it as I don't agree with it, from what I read they're going for a symbolic euro so they are hardly making any money.

We've been called so many names in the past and even now, that this hardly matters, the media's tried to label us as a bunch of lunatics from the beginning, they're not going to change their opinion on us regardless of this lawsuit, besides I'm convinced this will be thrown out of court.

As stated above I don't agree with it, I wouldn't do it, I don't think it's our right to sue Murray, I don't even take this lawsuit seriously. So I'm not going to loose any sleep over it.

Did I ever say you personally supported the idea? However, it's obvious this has zero potential to hurt Murray, and it is entirely ridiculous to think it could. I was merely pointing out this is potentially more harmful for us as a fan community than it could ever be for Murray.

Any fan in his right mind ought to speak against such a trifle of a lawsuit. Yes, the media would probably call us what they always do regardless of this lawsuit existing, but things like this just serve to justify their views in the eyes of the general public.
 
...yet another reason why folks will think Michael Jackson fans are lunatics

it's troubling that apparently 100 people signed on and agreed to it *facepalm*

AP said 100 people, but the french article I posted earlier says 34 people. Both are reliable, the french news site says they have read the actual paper that was filed.
 
we all know Joe wasn't the best father. frankly i can't stand him. BUT if we look at it technically he filling a lawsuit make more sense. that's all i meant. and you can bet this will be added to the "MJ fans are crazy" list.


I agree. I personally don't like Joe either. But at least his lawsuit only makes sense even if no other sense than the fact that he is Michael's father. This lawsuit by these people sounds to me like it could just be laughed out of court and folks will have all the more reason to call MJ fans delusional kooks. This is all just my opinion.
 
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I totally hope that they win. I so wish I could be doing that myself. Instead of having thoughts of getting nothing but pure murderous revenge. Because I totally blame him 100% for my total constant misery and mental illness. Mental illness that was brought on by those horrific vivid MJ nightmares that I was continuously plagued by during that first horrible summer and in to the fall without him. I remember being so terrifyingly scared to death of the thought of going to sleep. Because I knew the second I go to sleep I will end up having another nightmare about Michael. Even now I still tend to be haunted by some of them. Especially by the 2 that cause me to wake up crying and shaking uncontrollably they were that bad. And I had never had nightmares that were that bad in my entire life. Thank God I no longer have those horrific nightmares. But I am now just getting back almost the same number of hours of sleep that I used to always get when we still had him. All thanks to the horrible insomnia that evil monster cause me to have.
 
^Revenge I can understand, but litigation is a whole other ballpark. I dunno, perhaps my stance is such because I hate our litigation-happy society [and the vampiric lawyers who exploit this unfortunate condition] with a passion, but the whole courtroom thing seems oh so petty. I always find it difficult to take people who sue others seriously, especially when it's something as weird as this. Like I said, the only people who could really claim emotional distress would be his family and friends, people he knew personally.

Fans, even though we love him dearly, just do not fit into that equation from an objective viewpoint. It'd be too difficult to argue and gain sympathy from a jury, seeing as most people would not understand it. So, it's entirely ridiculous to believe a thing like this has the sliver of a chance to stand in court.
 
I will not go into legal stuff here , I will just say that I would do it too if I had a possibilitie.
And "emotional damage" is exactly the right word to use.
Because the coverage of Murray"s trial was so weak . ( exept for MJ forums.) Sometimes it seems that the world has already forgotton about Michael and what a extraordinary person he was. And what an enormes loss that is.
For me it feels like the Earth had lost the Sun.
 
Good for them. I think this is a good symbolic gesture to make people aware that lives are connected. The connection is not only between a child and parent/siblings/spouse/children. Of course I do not see how this can be won in court, since they have to show emotional damage and I do not know how they will do that. I have always felt that his death caused some fans to feel grief and distress in the same way that a family member's death could cause grief and distress.

Bollywood thanks for sharing and I hope things are better now.
 
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Good for them. I think this is a good symbolic gesture to make people aware that lives are connected. The connection is not only between a child and parent/siblings/spouse/children. Of course I do not see how this can be won in court, since they have to show emotional damage and I do not know how they will do that. I have always felt that his death caused some fans to feel grief and distress in the same way that a family member's death could cause grief and distress.

Bollywood thanks for sharing and I hope things are better now.

That's ridiculous. So...every time a celebrity dies by another's hand, every fan ought to sue the perpetrator for "emotional damage"? It'd be a never-ending messy lawsuit campaign, especially if the celebrity in question had fans across the world. International courts, etc. would be involved and, with all the combined verdicts, the unfortunate b---ard who committed the crime would be punished beyond the scope of what he would get if the victim were a non-celebrity, and that just does not sit right with me, as it is placing the value of one human life above another due to celebrity--and in our courts all men should be equal.

I think people are well aware that lives are connected. No one would dare dispute the sadness fans feel when a celebrity dies, whether that be John Lennon, Michael Jackson, Princess Diana, whoever you want--their lives touched people beyond their friends and family, and I think this much is obvious to all, regardless of whether one likes them as people or not.

Of course some fans felt grief and distress in the same way one would if he lost a family member--I, for one, became an insomniac and cried virtually non-stop for months on end, something which still resurfaces from time to time. The grief is never-ending, but objectively speaking litigation is simply not the answer, and I would not ever seek revenge against Murray through litigation.

He will already go down in history as the man who killed Michael Jackson, and nothing aside from that point in his life will ever matter to anyone. What more symbolic gesture does one need? He was tried and convicted in the country in which the crime took place, and he was found by the people to be guilty of his crime.

Had he walked free, I could see how an effort like this would hold at least symbolic relevance, but he did not walk free, so this seems to be nothing but a pipe dream and a vain cry for attention.

You are right in saying they will most probably never successfully prove emotional distress to the court's satisfaction, and that this case will be as impossible for them to win as it was for Murray to win his own.

This entire lawsuit seems like a farce, and I think it hurts us more as a community in the eyes of the public than it hurts Murray.
 
When Murray gets out he will continue to sell his filthy story and make money. That is the world and the media today.
Like I said...I can speak for myself and the way Michael"s death affected me. He is a big part of my life for 30 years.
I am not the same person after 25.6. My pain is beyond words..and there are many ppl that feel the same.
 
@The Healer, we are all pretty much in the same boat. But suing this man personally wouldnt bring you more peace or any closure. He's been publically, and officially found guilty of Michael's death. That's the most we'll ever get.
 
I know, and I agree. But I also know nothing would be enough, nothing would make us feel better. Even his execution wouldnt make the pain easier. The support we can get from each other is all we've got now, along with memories. That's a personal feeling anyway. :better:
 
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if the compensation they could get would go to charity (one close to Mike) then i'm all for it, if one cent goes in their pockets then i'm furiously against it, then they belong to the same evil as murray
 
When Murray gets out he will continue to sell his filthy story and make money. That is the world and the media today.

That's exactly what the $100M restitution fees are attempting to prevent. If Walgren and Brazil succeed, Murray will never be able to make money off his "story", as whatever he gets paid to tell his piece will have to go towards paying restitution to the children, etc. The only real loophole I can think of would be if arrangements are made so that the money goes to Nicole Alvarez instead of Murray, but that would really create a situation where he'd be overly dependent on her, and even then it'd be inconvenient, as she would leave him--and take whatever they earned--as soon as he stopped being useful. She was a stripper at some point--you think she's not jaded and every bit of a money-hungry snake as he is? She's used people before, what makes you think she's not using him right now? Murray's got an incredible knack of finding people who are every bit as callous and scummy as he is--his lawyers are all bailing on him after they've gotten their fill, no surprise there, and surely Alvarez will follow suit and move on to better pastures as soon as the potential to earn money from him is gone.

There is only so much Murray can say, and for such a time, before he ceases to be interesting and relevant. It's already starting--look at how badly the MSNBC "documentary" flopped, and that was back when the trial was fresh on everyone's minds. It can only get worse--he's already said all he can say regarding 6/25, and nobody really cared.

The only thing he's got left to share is his experience eating cheese sandwiches and getting reamed by Bubba, and I doubt many people would be very interested in those stories. I think it's largely over for Murray. The public attention span is very short, and two years from now most of them probably won't even remember Murray existed in the first place, as they'll be too busy ogling over the next set of disposable stars. The only people who will care are Michael Jackson fans, and we're too smart to tune in to anything Murray has to say on TV. We'll flock to YouTube, or not see it at all.
 
You summed up Conrad Murray’s future very well. Nicole will bail on him for sure and she will take whatever assets he still has with her. I’m sure she is making arrangements now on how best to dump the dead weight and Murray’s got to be thinking there is already another man in her bed tuning up the instrument. She knows better than anyone his earning potential is over and she is not in a relationship with the ex-doctor for his good looks and charming personality. I’ve always felt it was Nicole who put the idea of tape recording Michael in Murray’s head. I can just see her and Murray having long conversations about how much money they would make from that valuable piece of information. It’s like David Walgren said, Murray thought he’d hit the lottery and they were going to bleed Michael dry of every penny he made on that tour. It didn’t turn out the way he planned and now the loser is finished.
 
I dont think a book would be too dangerous either, first because, indeed, people are too lazy to read, and because you have to buy it. And I dont think haters, and people who are indifferent to Michael will bother. To me, if there was so little interest for Conrat right after the trial, there will be none in a few years. A tel all book will be useless, he already said it all in his doc, and we all know how fascinated the public was.
 
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I hope not.... :pray:

If it's published in the United States and directed at a mostly American audience, we have no reason to despair. As of 2007, it was found one in four Americans read no books at all per year, and of those who do manage to figure out how to work these complicated contraptions, the overwhelmingly popular choices are religious books and popular fiction. Murray's story, while qualifying in every regard as "fiction," is not popular by any means--see MSNBC Documentary, Epic Fail Of.

There is also the very compelling point Ben brings up, and that is--you have to buy it. I doubt libraries will order fifty copies of Murray's book, when they could order fifty more copies of Twilight to throw at the raging horde of hormonal teenage girls. Relatives and friends of people who are Michael Jackson fans will also be tactful enough to abstain from purchasing the book as a gift, since it is common knowledge Murray was the guy who killed him.

I think his only real choice would be to make another floptastic mockumentary which will doubtlessly fail like the last one did, or else give a series of interviews about his life in prison with Bubba and the Gang eating cheese sandwiches and chanting some voodoo witch magick to bring great misfortunes upon Cherry Pie, Flanny, and Baldylocks for losing his case. You know, stuff no one gives a damn about.

I think it will be over for him rather soon, even with the restitution dismissed. His "star" was on the decline long ago and interest in him has waned as people have moved on to other things. He might score a few quick bucks via the aforementioned interviews, but he's still got Child Support to pay and those creditors craving his a-- on a lance, so I'm not sure he'll even see any money.

In any case, he's thoroughly disgraced and only those who have a serious death wish will seek his "services." I reckon we can expect to see him at Wal-Mart, as Chernoff so comically put it.
 
Even if he has the "chance" of finding a job at Walmart, thing is, his face is widely known now. So I expect him to be, in best cases, stared at, and in worst cases... I have secret hopes. Hehe. Suing him once more wont bring anything good.
 
I was just checking google for updates on this case, and found this (in French) http://poker.blog.leparisien.fr/archive/2012/01/16/l-accro-au-poker-deboute.html

It says that a lawsuit filed by Emmanuel Ludot, in a totally different case, was simply rejected by a judge. The case was about a 37 year old man, who became addicted to online poker games. The guy asked to be officially barred from gambling. There is a french law that, in certain conditions, will stop certain people from gambling. If you are on this list, you can not go to a casino, gamble on line, etc... You can ask to be on the list, and according to this article, the guy did ask to be on the list. But in spite of that, he was still able to access poker sites, and lost a lot of money. The article says it was because of a mistake in the transcription of his name,and/ or date and place of birth. So that man, with the help of Ludot, filed against the French state or goverment, that is responsible for maintaining this list, and asked for 100 000 € in damages. The judge just rejected this request. The article doesn't explain why the judge rejected the lawsuit.

http://www.lunion.presse.fr/article/marne/letat-refuse-le-coup-de-poker This article, still in French, and published before the judges decision, explains that there was a mistake made when adding him on the list. And that mistake did allow him to access gambling sites. The article says that the goverment did admit there was a typo, but argued that it was corrected, and refuses to pay damages because of the passive behavior of the man, and because they did not refuse to add him on the list.
The article says that Ludot argues that if there is a mistake, then you are entitled to a compensation. (it's exactly why he is sueing Murray here, at least that's what I understood = Murray is responsible, there has to be a compensation).
 
Even if he has the "chance" of finding a job at Walmart, thing is, his face is widely known now. So I expect him to be, in best cases, stared at, and in worst cases... I have secret hopes. Hehe. Suing him once more wont bring anything good.

Oh yes, of course. He will never live it down.
 
if the compensation they could get would go to charity (one close to Mike) then i'm all for it, if one cent goes in their pockets then i'm furiously against it, then they belong to the same evil as murray

The fans are asking for ONE Euro, each, is my understanding. What is that, about a dollar? That is a SYMBOLIC amount, not designed to EARN them anything. Calling those fans "evil" is quite uncalled for, IMHO. Now that the Jacksons have refused restitution, I, for one, hope that this lawsuit goes forward. At least -- for those whom it WOULD help to bring a small measure of closure.
 
The fans are asking for ONE Euro, each, is my understanding. What is that, about a dollar? That is a SYMBOLIC amount, not designed to EARN them anything. Calling those fans "evil" is quite uncalled for, IMHO. Now that the Jacksons have refused restitution, I, for one, hope that this lawsuit goes forward. At least -- for those whom it WOULD help to bring a small measure of closure.

Me too.. I am all for the fans doing this. It demonstrates what they are trying to proven. They know Murray won't be able to pay but they want him to remember what he did . He drugged MJ to death with dangerous sedativesn and left him to die. Murray needs to remember that. MJ's family doesn't care what happens to Murray but Michael's fans sure do
 
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