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I've already convinced this person to not always take everything from the tabloids for fact. I told him to look further, and do research yourself. Basically, i made a huge hater and non-believer of his innnocence into
someone who really starts to see the big picture and starts to believe in him. Which is of course very good...however, there are a few things i need some help with.
This person still firmly believes Michael never wanted to be black, and thus bleached his skin. EVEN though he acknowledges the fact that he had vitiligo...this is basically his message. If ya'll could read it...and maybe help me out , i would apreciate it...cause i love to let people like this see how wrong they are.
The quote you see is from me...that's my username on another forum.
Because I believe in science. And I'm black. And to see half the world considering the possibility that a black man with the genes of a DARK skinned man can have several caucasian kids WHILE ALSO suffering from a skin disorder that acted in a very rare way and made him white WHILE having only a few plastic surgeries and somehow just being "stricken" to resemble ET........ it really disgusts me.
Why can't we still be grown ups about this? I like Mike. I understand he was oppressed. I understand he was abused, misunderstood, maybe even had his growth retarded. I understand he did have vitiligo. I understand that he probably never molested kids. I think the man was magical. I don't have any hate for him.
But I also understand he was crazy. Bat shit crazy. Yes, he had vitiligo (I watched the vids, but you've already shown me those), but nowhere do I see ANY proof that he had huge patches of dark and light skin. The video simply doesn't have such an image EXCEPT where he was bitten by the spider and that patch of skin around the bite developed strong pigmentation. Other than around the spider bite, there is simply no evidence I've seen anywhere that he had both dark and light patches on his body simultaneously. He's described as "very open" about it and "willing to show anyone", so WHY is there no photographic record of michael both dark AND light like that newscaster, that girl, or MOST other vitiligo sufferers?? If you had your dark skin developing sudden near-white patches, wouldn't you photograph it? If you were being treated by a world renowned doctor, wouldn't you have pics he took to document your change??
Why would Mike be the only sufferer to have NO journal of their transformation and NO photographic evidence of him as dark as off the wall with light spots, or as light as bad with off-the-wall coloured dark spots?? The only evidence is of LIGHT vitiligo that discoloured his skin slightly, making lighter patches on his ALREADY LIGHT skin. I have not seen any pic of him with his natural dark skin mixed with his white skin.
Why don't these pics exist? Because it never happened. If they can produce these pics of ALL TYPES of people, all except Mike, it's cos mike didn't suffer the same thing. Sure he had vitiligo, I can see that.
I DO NOT SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT VITILIGO AFFECTED HIS DECISION TO BLEACH.
I see his doctor and his makeup artists saying that on one hand, paid employees. On the other hand, I see his sister, brother and friend Quincy Jones (NOT paid by him) asking him what the fuck is wrong with him, why he wants to be white. If the word of his contractually bound employees is all he has to offer as proof, I'm not buying it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I accept fully that Mike had a light case of vitiligo, maybe all over his body, but NOT producing starkly contrasted patches like in the worst cases pictured in this thread.
I can only believe Mike bleached for the same reason he only dated white women, posed up a fake white family, cut his face to look more white, etc..
Without any other evidence, I just have to say what it looks like. It doesn't look like vitiligo had the slightest thing to do with his bleaching. If it did, and he was that open, and it really travelled through his father's side of the family, I doubt his sister and brother would be ragging him for bleaching. I doubt his friend Quincy would either. You guys can dismiss these shocking claims because you don't like them, but I can't. I have to weigh who has what to gain and why would they say what they say. Neither his bro, sis, or Quincy had a damn thing to gain by saying something so hurtful. His doc and makeup artists got to keep their jobs and NOT be sued viciously. I think his doctor and other employees have so many contracts signed with him that if they said anything to contradict his official story of his stage persona, they could be held liable for breach, so they just stick with the story. His motivation was to perpetuate a positive image of his crazy negative actions.
And those kids aren't his any more than that nose is. Genetics still mean something in my mind, and no celebrity dying is going to invalidate scientific understanding.
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Originally Posted by Bigkabuto2004
I really don't care much...at the end of the day, he was their real father to them and vice versa. The fucking media didn't care about this when the man was alive, but now he's gone...it's relevant all the sudden...sigh.
It depends on what you call coincedences...i wouldn't call these...
-Abusive father during childhood
-While performing, he fell..broke his,surgery was needed
-Hair catching fire
-Vitiligo
-Lupus
Bad luck...to say the least...not coincedences.
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No, I was talking about:
- Just happened to have the most extreme form of vitiligo possible on earth
- Just also happened to have NO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE of it, despite all the years of treatment (unbelievable)
- Just happened to only love white women even though "it don't matter if you're black or white"
- Just happened to only concoct (make up, devise) white kids even though "it don't matter if you're black or white"
- OR, as some tell it:
- Just happened to be that genetic anomaly that would have a series of white kids without any trace of blackness IN THE SAME PERSON as the most extreme form of vitiligo without any evidence! C'mon.... don't you see the pigs flying??
- Just happened to have brothers and sisters who would spread vicious rumours that his vitiligo treatment was really a desire to be white EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW it came through their father!
- Just happened to have good friends who said the same thing, for no reason other than they didn't sympathize with his sickness??
Nah, I'm not buying it. Not a bit. I need evidence for a story that far fetched.....
If anyone can show me pics of Mike with DARK and light spots like the many people pictured in those videos, in this thread, and that I've seen in life, then I'll BEGIN considering it. Don't show the pic of the spider bite. That's not proof of vitiligo, it's proof of a spider bite!
But WITHOUT such evidence, this is all just wishful thinking and mythologizing a dead cultural icon. It's also pathetic.
The man was magical enough without us making his genes magical too.
Peace
someone who really starts to see the big picture and starts to believe in him. Which is of course very good...however, there are a few things i need some help with.
This person still firmly believes Michael never wanted to be black, and thus bleached his skin. EVEN though he acknowledges the fact that he had vitiligo...this is basically his message. If ya'll could read it...and maybe help me out , i would apreciate it...cause i love to let people like this see how wrong they are.
The quote you see is from me...that's my username on another forum.
Because I believe in science. And I'm black. And to see half the world considering the possibility that a black man with the genes of a DARK skinned man can have several caucasian kids WHILE ALSO suffering from a skin disorder that acted in a very rare way and made him white WHILE having only a few plastic surgeries and somehow just being "stricken" to resemble ET........ it really disgusts me.
Why can't we still be grown ups about this? I like Mike. I understand he was oppressed. I understand he was abused, misunderstood, maybe even had his growth retarded. I understand he did have vitiligo. I understand that he probably never molested kids. I think the man was magical. I don't have any hate for him.
But I also understand he was crazy. Bat shit crazy. Yes, he had vitiligo (I watched the vids, but you've already shown me those), but nowhere do I see ANY proof that he had huge patches of dark and light skin. The video simply doesn't have such an image EXCEPT where he was bitten by the spider and that patch of skin around the bite developed strong pigmentation. Other than around the spider bite, there is simply no evidence I've seen anywhere that he had both dark and light patches on his body simultaneously. He's described as "very open" about it and "willing to show anyone", so WHY is there no photographic record of michael both dark AND light like that newscaster, that girl, or MOST other vitiligo sufferers?? If you had your dark skin developing sudden near-white patches, wouldn't you photograph it? If you were being treated by a world renowned doctor, wouldn't you have pics he took to document your change??
Why would Mike be the only sufferer to have NO journal of their transformation and NO photographic evidence of him as dark as off the wall with light spots, or as light as bad with off-the-wall coloured dark spots?? The only evidence is of LIGHT vitiligo that discoloured his skin slightly, making lighter patches on his ALREADY LIGHT skin. I have not seen any pic of him with his natural dark skin mixed with his white skin.
Why don't these pics exist? Because it never happened. If they can produce these pics of ALL TYPES of people, all except Mike, it's cos mike didn't suffer the same thing. Sure he had vitiligo, I can see that.
I DO NOT SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT VITILIGO AFFECTED HIS DECISION TO BLEACH.
I see his doctor and his makeup artists saying that on one hand, paid employees. On the other hand, I see his sister, brother and friend Quincy Jones (NOT paid by him) asking him what the fuck is wrong with him, why he wants to be white. If the word of his contractually bound employees is all he has to offer as proof, I'm not buying it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I accept fully that Mike had a light case of vitiligo, maybe all over his body, but NOT producing starkly contrasted patches like in the worst cases pictured in this thread.
I can only believe Mike bleached for the same reason he only dated white women, posed up a fake white family, cut his face to look more white, etc..
Without any other evidence, I just have to say what it looks like. It doesn't look like vitiligo had the slightest thing to do with his bleaching. If it did, and he was that open, and it really travelled through his father's side of the family, I doubt his sister and brother would be ragging him for bleaching. I doubt his friend Quincy would either. You guys can dismiss these shocking claims because you don't like them, but I can't. I have to weigh who has what to gain and why would they say what they say. Neither his bro, sis, or Quincy had a damn thing to gain by saying something so hurtful. His doc and makeup artists got to keep their jobs and NOT be sued viciously. I think his doctor and other employees have so many contracts signed with him that if they said anything to contradict his official story of his stage persona, they could be held liable for breach, so they just stick with the story. His motivation was to perpetuate a positive image of his crazy negative actions.
And those kids aren't his any more than that nose is. Genetics still mean something in my mind, and no celebrity dying is going to invalidate scientific understanding.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigkabuto2004
I really don't care much...at the end of the day, he was their real father to them and vice versa. The fucking media didn't care about this when the man was alive, but now he's gone...it's relevant all the sudden...sigh.
It depends on what you call coincedences...i wouldn't call these...
-Abusive father during childhood
-While performing, he fell..broke his,surgery was needed
-Hair catching fire
-Vitiligo
-Lupus
Bad luck...to say the least...not coincedences.
----------------------------------------------------
No, I was talking about:
- Just happened to have the most extreme form of vitiligo possible on earth
- Just also happened to have NO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE of it, despite all the years of treatment (unbelievable)
- Just happened to only love white women even though "it don't matter if you're black or white"
- Just happened to only concoct (make up, devise) white kids even though "it don't matter if you're black or white"
- OR, as some tell it:
- Just happened to be that genetic anomaly that would have a series of white kids without any trace of blackness IN THE SAME PERSON as the most extreme form of vitiligo without any evidence! C'mon.... don't you see the pigs flying??
- Just happened to have brothers and sisters who would spread vicious rumours that his vitiligo treatment was really a desire to be white EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW it came through their father!
- Just happened to have good friends who said the same thing, for no reason other than they didn't sympathize with his sickness??
Nah, I'm not buying it. Not a bit. I need evidence for a story that far fetched.....
If anyone can show me pics of Mike with DARK and light spots like the many people pictured in those videos, in this thread, and that I've seen in life, then I'll BEGIN considering it. Don't show the pic of the spider bite. That's not proof of vitiligo, it's proof of a spider bite!
But WITHOUT such evidence, this is all just wishful thinking and mythologizing a dead cultural icon. It's also pathetic.
The man was magical enough without us making his genes magical too.
Peace