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How will the public react to the decision/to our outrage?

I can't say I've read all the evidence or am entirely up to date with the case..

But I have this feeling that if he's pronounced innocent, and naturally we still assume he's guilty.. that the public/haters/non-believers will say something along the lines of..

'Michael was acquitted in 2005 and you trusted the justice system then.. Why not now? What makes this different?'

When Michael was pronounced innocent in 2005, and people still didn't believe it.. We yelled and protested that it was proven in the court of law. I know there are a lot of facts from that case not broadcast from the media - and there is still a substantial amount of people who believe Michael to have been a molester.. :(

I just feel if Murray is pronounced innocent, the general public who see us protesting/upset at the verdict will think we just have stars in our eyes and just pick and choose which verdicts we choose to believe..

Does anyone else get where I'm coming from? Does anyone else have this fear? Do we really have to lie down and accept it?
 
There is no way its going to be not guilty. No matter how much stuff Murray's team drags up, nothing can take away the fact that he is the only person to blame for Michael not being here today.
 
I agree with both of you and my god how can he be declared innocent. michael is gone because of him. I have more
hatred for him then I have ever had for anyone. and to op I do get where you're coming from. what are we to do if murray is
found innocent? we know what he did. michael is gone because of him. he needs to pay even tho no punishment would ever be enough for what he did. I miss michael every day. I watch this is it every day. michael didn't deserve this. murray must pay. michael should be here living happiness but he;s gone because of murray and I have hatred for him because of that:no:
 
Gonetoosoon said:
How will the public react to the decision/to our outrage?

I can't say I've read all the evidence or am entirely up to date with the case..

But I have this feeling that if he's pronounced innocent, and naturally we still assume he's guilty.. that the public/haters/non-believers will say something along the lines of..

'Michael was acquitted in 2005 and you trusted the justice system then.. Why not now? What makes this different?'

When Michael was pronounced innocent in 2005, and people still didn't believe it.. We yelled and protested that it was proven in the court of law. I know there are a lot of facts from that case not broadcast from the media - and there is still a substantial amount of people who believe Michael to have been a molester.. :(

I just feel if Murray is pronounced innocent, the general public who see us protesting/upset at the verdict will think we just have stars in our eyes and just pick and choose which verdicts we choose to believe..

Does anyone else get where I'm coming from? Does anyone else have this fear? Do we really have to lie down and accept it?
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Sometimes there are bad verdicts or when they have to acquit someone over technicalities (see OJ Simpson). Michael's case was nothing like that, anybody who sees the testimonies and evidence should admit that.

I don't think we should worry about a not guilty verdict for Murray until we see it.
 
exactly respect.. Murray is guilty though. The day he agreed to give MJ anesthesia at home without monitoring equipment or even a crash cart to save his life if something went wrong, he made himself guilty. Murray had no clue on how to save MJ in case something went wrong and that makes him guilty, reckless and a killer.
 
How can he? It's so obvious. Any one with half a brain (provided that they don't let their prejudice against Michael in the way) can clearly see that Murray took his life.
 
With all the evidence I have seen there is only one verdict and that is guilty. Murray can shift the blame on to Michael on many things but at the end of the day he left a patient alone after administering Propofol. That in itself should be more than enough.
 
DanceofLorelei1994 said:
How can he? It's so obvious. Any one with half a brain (provided that they don't let their prejudice against Michael in the way) can clearly see that Murray took his life.
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I know :(

But a part of me believes there's corruption in the air, and that we won't get the result that we want..

It's just a feeling..
 
He can not be found not guilty..........for it will set a precedent for other doctors to use propofol in home settings without an anesthesiologist present. :nono:
 
Staying in the topic, If Murray is acquitted, I just have to think that there's much more to this case than we really know. It was more than six months of investigation and what was released to the press is just a fragment of the puzzle. I still think he's guilty, based on what was published by the press.
 
If he is acquitted than I won't know what to think, it doesn't take a genius to see that his negligence caused MJ's death, but I hope it won't come to that...
 
I honestly do not believe he will be found not guilty, I supose we would have to deal with the anger and injustice if he was, and if we can get through the shock and heartbreak of loosing Michael then we can get through anything. Unless someone else was in that room and injected the propofol he has not defence and I think a jury will see through any attempt he makes to justify his actions.
 
As a lawyer I know that a jury can be manipulated, it is possible to reverse the roles of characters, placing the defendant as a victim and the victim as a culprit.
Sometimes this manipulation is the only way to absolve a person who though he actually committed the crime, does not deserve to be condemned.When a father kills someone who has raped his daughter, for example.
What we did is convince the jury that the father does not deserve punishment though there's any doubt he is guilty.
That Murray injected propofol in Michael and that's what killed him cannot be denied. The theory that Michael injected himself is ridiculous.
So, They will efforts to convince the jury that Michael was a crazy man, desperate, with a chronic insomnia and that Murray simply could not handle it. Murray just could not say NO to him.
The goal is leave the juror to put yourself in his shoes and think “if I had the same situation, would not act differently.” So they feel pity for the defendant and acquit him.
Many people believe that Murray had no choice. Quincy Jones said that no one can deal with people like Michael.
What I absolutely disagree. That would be like saying that a doctor may agree to do anything that the celebrities ask him, even if it will kills them.

But there is much things against Murray and I believe that defense attorneys will not be able to turn him into a victim of circumstances and the power of his client.

Not only have injected drugs, but all the behavior of Murray testified that he did not take care of Michael's life as he should. He left him alone, took the call for help very late, bother to hide syringes, showing coolness in the situation. He pretended cardiac massage in bed and with only one hand.

If he is acquitted, I know how I will feel... outraged !!!
If jurors acquit Murray, is because they believe that a celebrity is not as human as other human beings.

And there is one thing I do not understand. Why is the use of anesthesia to Michael to sleep?
I've taken general anesthesia and when we awaken, we feel horrible. We do not feel rested, but as if we had been hit by a truck.

I do not believe that Michael used propofol to sleep. I believe Murray killed him deliberately. It was intentional, not negligent. And there are more people involved in this story. I can't believe Murray was so stupid.
 
I agree with the first post. If Murray is found innocent all the defending we have done goes down the drain in the minds of the public.

However, I don't think Murray will be found innocent.
 
Gonetoosoon said:
How will the public react to the decision/to our outrage?

I can't say I've read all the evidence or am entirely up to date with the case..

But I have this feeling that if he's pronounced innocent, and naturally we still assume he's guilty.. that the public/haters/non-believers will say something along the lines of..

'Michael was acquitted in 2005 and you trusted the justice system then.. Why not now? What makes this different?'

When Michael was pronounced innocent in 2005, and people still didn't believe it.. We yelled and protested that it was proven in the court of law. I know there are a lot of facts from that case not broadcast from the media - and there is still a substantial amount of people who believe Michael to have been a molester.. :(

I just feel if Murray is pronounced innocent, the general public who see us protesting/upset at the verdict will think we just have stars in our eyes and just pick and choose which verdicts we choose to believe..

Does anyone else get where I'm coming from? Does anyone else have this fear? Do we really have to lie down and accept it?
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I get where you coming from but...For me it wasn't just MJ was acquitted in court that made me protest to people his innocence. Remember in 93 their was never a trial and just as much fans like myself was protesting his innocence! Because their was evidence without trial to prove he was innocent.

Of course a trial is the ultimate stamp for some to make their decision but, for others we know all to well that the Justice system isn't always correct and many innocent people do go to jail! MJ was blessed to find a Jury that acquitted him despite the Media controlled B.S and a corrupted D.A!

For me if u don't have enough info and evidence to back up what your argument is with facts on a important subject like The MJ allegations and simply repeat what the media has said then ur opinion don't matter. So even if Murray by chance is found not guilty, there is enough evidence to prove that he was, like the autopsy report and his own admission he gave MJ Propofol the very thing that killed him.

So, I guess it almost always comes down to Pubic opinion then?
 
Victory22;3412172 said:
If Murray is not convicted then I’m joining the conspiracy theorist because I’ll know the fix was in from day one. ...
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That to a degree. And partially because I already think there's more to this story. However, how one person alone can be so incredibly negligent- the stuff he already admitted in wrong doing just BLOWS.MY.MIND. Even if others are involved you CANNOT let someone walk who claims to be a doctor- and who already admitted to such incredible negligence.

I will probably book myself a seat to personally riot in L.A. to find out WTF went wrong in Michael Jackson's life.
They keep comparing Michael to OJ- in this case they better get the riot gear out because those of us who have been watching this sh*t (pardon my French) that Michael Jackson has been through since 1993- enough is enough.

Or in other words: "Something's rotten in the state of Denmark."

Someone quoted something about 'faith in the justice system when Michael was on trial."
^^^My faith into the justice system particularly in California went down the drain the second I knew that an innocent man by the name of Michael Jackson had to plead 'not guilty' to a horrible crime he did not commit. Period. No faith left, sorry.

My 'faith into the justice system' further went out the window with every day that his house did not become a crime scene.

Sorry, no faith left. I am an optimistic person who loves the believe in the best in people. But after what I have seen happen to Michael, that faith seems rather unwarranted.

With that in mind I still think everyone deserves 'due process'. The 'due process' Michael was not given when cameras were there to film him handcuffed.
 
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Pace said:
Someone quoted something about 'faith in the justice system when Michael was on trial."
^^^My faith into the justice system particularly in California went down the drain the second I knew that an innocent man by the name of Michael Jackson had to plead 'not guilty' to a horrible crime he did not commit. Period. No faith left, sorry.

My 'faith into the justice system' further went out the window with every day that his house did not become a crime scene.

Sorry, no faith left. I am an optimistic person who loves the believe in the best in people. But after what I have seen happen to Michael, that faith seems rather unwarranted.

With that in mind I still think everyone deserves 'due process'. The 'due process' Michael was not given when cameras were there to film him handcuffed.
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I agree. When I think of all the crap Michael went through during his life and the disgusting, senseless way that he died, I either feel sick to my stomach or I cry until I have no tears left at the time. In my opinion, people did Michael really dirty and got away with it or are still getting away with it. And that has caused me to lose faith in justice for good. Period.


Anyway, I think it's ironic that the general public would obviously criticize Michael Jackson fans for not trusting in the justice system or for being angry if Murray is found not guilty when the same general public to this day still make a big stink about the "Not Guilty" verdict in Michael's 2005 trial.
 
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If he gets acquitted, I'll eat my f***ing hat. He deliberately killed Michael, and the evidence is clear.
 
if the verdict is not guilty , God will punish Murray when he thinks it is the right time...the way He did with Chandler's father...
 
I have a horrible feeling he's gonna get away with it :/ and im scared because I think that if that's the case the public will just accept he's innocent and that it was Michaels fault. It's all just so sad.
 
I will just cry if Murray gets off. It would be June 25 all over again.
 
I can't imagine Murray will get off. At the very least they must strip him of his medical license once and for all. If for whatever reason he does get off with no punishment then it will be a very sad, angry day for me.

Just wondering...IF the worst happens (Murray gets off easily) are there any plans for fans to protest? Maybe we can hold gatherings in various locations, such as (obviously) the courthouse, Times Square, etc. I swear if I have to I will leave work early and march myself right to Times Square and protest! Peacefully of course.
 
mjjmsc said:
if the verdict is not guilty , God will punish Murray when he thinks it is the right time...the way He did with Chandler's father...
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This.

While I'll be very upset if Murray is found not guilt, I am sure that God will take care of the rest. And for that, I am thankful.
 
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