Jeffrey Daniel's says he Knows Michael is Innocent

[JudgingNoone]

To claim that someone who is 'not giulty' is not innocent is dangerous. it you are accused of a crime that you diod not commit and you go to court to clear your name, it is offnesive for anyone to come at you and say, you are not guilty, but you are not innocent. is a dangerous assumption and it means that the law means nothing.
It is also illogical because if you are innocent when you went in, you should still be innocent when you came out.
T-Mez is a lawyer and he has made it klnown that MJ is innocent.That is the law. I am offended that a lawyer would say otherwise, esp a judge. The only people who I hjave heard saying such thing is Nancy grace and DD and haters. I wull not accept that. Society is not unchangeable. All you need to do is change your way of thinking.

I truly mean this in the kindest possible way, but I have come to the conclusion that you and I will rarely agree :flowers:. I fear this is an example of that. I don't know how to express myself any clearer. Let me just, for argument's sake - and this has nothing to do with MJ - say that you have witnessed a murder but can't step forward and testify for whatever reason. Are you then still obligated to believe, in your heart of hearts, in the murderer's innocence? Because that would be the ultimate consequense of your logic.

For some strange reason, I do not believe anything that you stated. I read your posts on here and I just do not believe that you feel that MJ is innocent. You are basing your "opinions" on other people who refused to believe that MJ is fully innocent. There was too much evidence that shows that MJ did not molest or abuse Jordan Chandler or that other fool. Yet, you still keep harping about it. Who cares what a bunch of ignorant people think who hate Michael? And you need to change your name. Everytime I see you on here, you are always JUDGING MICHAEL.

I fail to see why this suddenly became a thread about me and I certainly don't see how you came to the conclusion that I don't believe in MJ's innocence with regards to child molestation. I am, however, offended that you are calling me a liar. I don't think I have done anything to warrant that.

What am I harping on about in your opinion? I'm only saying that many people didn't follow the trial and only saw the slanted media reporting, which is why I see it as a good thing that people like Mr Daniel are standing up for Michael. How that is offensive is beyond me. More than that I have simply tried to explain how it actually makes some sense that people don't fully rely on a 'not guilty' verdict when they don't know the facts of a case. That has NOTHING to do with my own belief in Michael's innocent in this particular case.

I won't be bullied into silence. I refuse to jump on the Michael-is-a-perfect-angel-and-anybody-who-says-he-owes-them money-is-a-liar-bandwagon. I don't call people liars without having any evidence that they are and I don't take anybody's word as the gospel - including Michael's. If that offends some fans - and I know that it does - then so be it. Again, my thoughts/beliefs about his business dealings have absolutely nothing to do with my beliefs about the accusations of molestation.

Finally, my user name alludes to the fact that while I actually do judge people's actions every day, I aim to never judge them as people. It's about the difference between judging and being judgemental.

 

[Datsymay]

Actually, judgingnoone, You said that a verdict of 'Not giulty', is not the same as 'Innocent'. That is what made me upset with you. When I challenged you, you said it was not innocent in the eyes of the public. You could not have been speaking for the American public, as you don't live there, so I fail to see what public you were speaking for.
I feel that you were conveying your own feelings. You are a lawyer and should have known better.
Only DD and NG have used that excuse to invalidate the verdict. It hasn't worked cause MJ is still very loved all over America. The sale of his album and the reaction to him in public is a testiment of that. His front page magazine was sold out before it got to the stores. Maybe you were talking about the public of your country. I don't thin MJ should be worrued about them.
MJ doesn't need to defend himself any further,. He did that in coirt. It was the prosecuters job to prove him guilty. He failed muserably. There is nothing more to say about the case. If people don't believe it that is up to them. Nobody can force people to do what they don't want to do, but MJ will get on with his life with dignity and pride. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[Soso Deaf]

judgingnoone is correct when they state that a not guilty verdict is not the same as innocent. it just means there was not sufficient evidence to convict a person of a crime.

a person could still be guilty either in reality or in the minds of those who despise them even if they garner a verdict of ng....oj simpson ring a bell?

as far as the allegations and the trial being a part of his history but NOT being a part of who he is, non-fans cannot separate that fact. they see him as someone who was good or may still be good but maybe has a nasty character flaw that makes him a predator among children. u cannot separate the two.

and datsy, my ass lives in america and maybe we're watching a different channel or on different coasts but i've always seen the atmosphere around mike as talk shiit when he's away and cry like a ***** when he's near. people talked smack about him in the 80s saying he wasn't tough but giggled like a schoolgirl when he was around.

the people in vegas who see him, them ain't fans, but they're excited b/cthis is the kop...regardless of how they feel about his innocence, they'll still freak b/c how often does the man go out ? how hard is it to get ahold of him and take pics? that's the frenzy. it'll always be there no matter what happens.


accusing a man of this is very easy and higly damaging. a man i work with is sitting in county jail right now w/ a $200K bail b/c a girl made an allegation against him. this is a man who has a very important job, used his home as a way to help those in need, and regardless of the outcome, will lose that job b/c once accused of something like this, u cannot secure a fingerprint clearance card.

so this is a fan gripe that happens constantly. appreciation threads and hate threads that were the norm way back when when someone said something favoured by the fans and got a high five then the next week did something the fans felt unforgivable and got bashed.

y'all want people to give mj the credit he deserves cuz everyone is copying his style, y'allwant mac culkin to go in detail and defend mj further cuz he didn't go far enough in an interview, yet people want to forget something that was etched in everyone's minds for two yrs. WHAT THE FUSS?

 

[Sdeidjs]

I have been a great admirer/advocate of Mr.Jackson's for over 36 years, I have seen many people/fans come and many of them go, many use and abuse.

Anyone who knows me; I am not one to be plastic, a suck up, candy coat, nor do I pretend to be something or someone I am not...

Business 101: the public/opinion is "very" powerful...we can agree or disagree...the fact remains...it can make you or break you...regardless if you are incumbant, business owner, football player, baseball player, the President, or Michael Jackson..!

No matter what ingrediant (s) you put into the mix...it is what it is..!

 

[KOPV]

One of these days the allegations will be used as a blessing..

Instead of bringing him down.. It will be the fact he overcame all obsticals..

It's a matter of time and hard work..

he'll get there

 

[cinderella]

One of these days the allegations will be used as a blessing..

Instead of bringing him down.. It will be the fact he overcame all obsticals..

It's a matter of time and hard work..

he'll get there

absolutely....I agree with you....sometimes ordeals are given to us as blessings in disguise


btw KOPV, what's you're name?
regards, cinderella

 

[ruchie]

Jeffrey is a goodman to come out and say from his heart how he really feels about MJ.Yes ,The trial is over and Yes,They will always say in the media that MJ was Aquitted.Well ,I think the Media should just move on and report about the real Criminals and Leave MJ alone. I guess they will continue to report The MJ reference about MJ was idited by the Grand Jury and sent to trial for Child Molestation inwhich he was aquitted of all charges but we fans and ofcourse MJ will ignore these looping reports and keep on living life.I mean really, do we have to hear and read that trash again?, I say Hell to the NO. The More people talk about MJ in a good light,People will get the message and MJ will get a chance to do whatever he wants that would make him happy to accomplish.There are always goals for him ,I just wish people wouldn't keep finding ways to bad mouth him or stop him from doing them.
He has done alot of good in this world.People and the media should start talking and writing about the good things MJ has done for people in need.That's what we need more of.

 

[TialovesMJ]

Jeffrey is a goodman to come out and say from his heart how he really feels about MJ.Yes ,The trial is over and Yes,They will always say in the media that MJ was Aquitted.Well ,I think the Media should just move on and report about the real Criminals and Leave MJ alone. I guess they will continue to report The MJ reference about MJ was idited by the Grand Jury and sent to trial for Child Molestation inwhich he was aquitted of all charges but we fans and ofcourse MJ will ignore these looping reports and keep on living life.I mean really, do we have to hear and read that trash again?, I say Hell to the NO. The More people talk about MJ in a good light,People will get the message and MJ will get a chance to do whatever he wants that would make him happy to accomplish.There are always goals for him ,I just wish people wouldn't keep finding ways to bad mouth him or stop him from doing them.
He has done alot of good in this world.People and the media should start talking and writing about the good things MJ has done for people in need.That's what we need more of.

Yes agreed. IMO i think MJ should be able to live his life without the media trashing him. Michael deserves to be left alone.

 

[terrell]

When it comes to this "innocent or not guilty, I think when a person gets a "not guilty" verdict because the court had to throw out evidenc that show proof however because it was seized illegally, then yes, I think that is what I would call someone who "got off" or who was found "not guilty" but who is NOT innocent. WHen it comes to public opinion, who cares. People are fickle and blow with the wind; besides, unless the public is there to hear the TRUTH, then the public knows NOTHING (some people are given the truth and they still want to send someone to jail. That is not justice, that is stupidity and is a form of a crime in itself. that is why there are innocent people in prisons).

 

[KOPV]

my name is Rasheed..

and wuts urs?


You know years from now.. long after he's gone people wont remember it.. U would have to study his life to know..

just like every great artist.. what lives on is the ART..

You don't know which artist cut off a piece of his ear, which one wore skirts, which one did this and that unless you learn it on purpose..

Even before that time comes, he will be known as a strong man that overcame all odds..

I see Michael in the same light he sees Nelson Mendela, Liz Taylor, and Sammy Davis JR.. They over came many obsticals and are symbols of strength..

and yes people are very fickle, and ppl will forget very easily.. it's the story that drives people..

while people are infatuated with celeb gossip.. the ART is what they will fallow.. no matter how bad Britney Spears looks, if she released a good album and promoted it well.. It would sell.. No matter who Jlo is hooked up with now, she can still sell..

People will forget the drama in the sake of art..


P.S.

Many people are a product of what the media spills out.. PPL get there opinion from what they hear. Not the truth..

This is bad in most cases, but it will bight them in the butt this time with michael..

WHY??

The media always does/says what sells.. Well there is a reason why the top 3 selling box office themes in movies are:

1) The rise of a hero
2) A fall from grace
3) The comeback kid

Well, in the 80's they fallowed that rise of a hero.. assisting in creating this mysterious, untouchable being.. (that sold)..

Once he got to the top.. that story did not sell as much because he accomplished his goal.. SO they did what they could to have him fall from grace.. It sold again.. And Michael did not want to go down, so it took a long decade of rumors, lies, jokes, to create this image they wanted.. BUT that day of the verdict was the day they could have put the nail in that coffin.. WELL!! Michael did not lose..

NOW that they know he will not be broken, and was taken to the lowest that he could go.. There is only one way to go with him.. (UP). When Mike first comes out, yes they will try the little negitive mentionings, but once ppl don't buy that, they will do the 'COMEBACK KID' theme story..

Why do you think so many 'comeback' movies are going on right now?? Because it sells..

The media will jump on Michaels back again and take that trip to glory..

And in this case, the media will aid Michael in promoting him once again.. For the first time in over a decade..

It's all about the story with the media.. they create the stories, not the truth

If you don't believe me this is what will happen... WATCH!!

 

[daphnieas]

^^^^^
As usual, excellent points KOPV.
I agree, it's just a matter of time.

 

[speedway]

my name is Rasheed..

and wuts urs?


You know years from now.. long after he's gone people wont remember it.. U would have to study his life to know..

just like every great artist.. what lives on is the ART..

You don't know which artist cut off a piece of his ear, which one wore skirts, which one did this and that unless you learn it on purpose..

Even before that time comes, he will be known as a strong man that overcame all odds..

I see Michael in the same light he sees Nelson Mendela, Liz Taylor, and Sammy Davis JR.. They over came many obsticals and are symbols of strength..

and yes people are very fickle, and ppl will forget very easily.. it's the story that drives people..

while people are infatuated with celeb gossip.. the ART is what they will fallow.. no matter how bad Britney Spears looks, if she released a good album and promoted it well.. It would sell.. No matter who Jlo is hooked up with now, she can still sell..

People will forget the drama in the sake of art..


P.S.

Many people are a product of what the media spills out.. PPL get there opinion from what they hear. Not the truth..

This is bad in most cases, but it will bight them in the butt this time with michael..

WHY??

The media always does/says what sells.. Well there is a reason why the top 3 selling box office themes in movies are:

1) The rise of a hero
2) A fall from grace
3) The comeback kid

Well, in the 80's they fallowed that rise of a hero.. assisting in creating this mysterious, untouchable being.. (that sold)..

Once he got to the top.. that story did not sell as much because he accomplished his goal.. SO they did what they could to have him fall from grace.. It sold again.. And Michael did not want to go down, so it took a long decade of rumors, lies, jokes, to create this image they wanted.. BUT that day of the verdict was the day they could have put the nail in that coffin.. WELL!! Michael did not lose..

NOW that they know he will not be broken, and was taken to the lowest that he could go.. There is only one way to go with him.. (UP). When Mike first comes out, yes they will try the little negitive mentionings, but once ppl don't buy that, they will do the 'COMEBACK KID' theme story..

Why do you think so many 'comeback' movies are going on right now?? Because it sells..

The media will jump on Michaels back again and take that trip to glory..

And in this case, the media will aid Michael in promoting him once again.. For the first time in over a decade..

It's all about the story with the media.. they create the stories, not the truth

If you don't believe me this is what will happen... WATCH!!

grate post!

 

[Datsymay]

Well, thanks to jeffrey's interview about CM, Michael jackson is disrespected on the front page of the Voice today. The headline has him ion his gold suit, and it screams. Ja.cko is not a C.M JD could have talked about the beautiful person MJ is withoput bringing up the case.
You would think the Voice was somewhere under a rock on June 13 05. Or that they just want to rib MJ's face in it.
If MJ's fans are going to complain about the media reminging the piblic of the case, then they too must take responsibility and move on.

 

[arXter]

no one should be afraid of the media to hide the truth.

i'm surprised a trashy tabloid like Voice actually proclaimed he isn't a molester on the front page. if it wasn't that, they would have gone with something false or demeaning like most tabloids do every month.

Daniel.

 

[Datsymay]

I do not believe that the Voice were as interested in proclaiming MJ not gioulty as they were making MJ the subject for selling their newspapers. The whole world already new that MJ was not guilty. They all stopped to hear the result 3 years ago. And the voice disrespecting him by calling him out of his name make a mockery of thier so-called declaration. The trial is over. The verdict came down. It doesn't make sence, and certainly not to MJ for the media to contunue to talk about it. I wouldn't like it if I was trying to move on with my life.

 

[mj_brainiac]

Isn't this an old article?

 

[arXter]

I do not believe that the Voice were as interested in proclaiming MJ not gioulty as they were making MJ the subject for selling their newspapers.

anyone with a clear head would agree with you there - that's not my point. they would be trashy any day but relatively speaking this isn't at all bad from what the garbage tabloids usually DIG for to write about Michael.

or let me put it another way - it's not Daniel's fault trash chose his word to headline - and it was a positive point he made.

and Michael doesn't read tabloids - and neither do a lot of us. at least the junkies are getting something positive to read about, no matter how degrading they title MJ.

 

[Soso Deaf]

the truth is there waiting for those who seek it. those who choose to see him in a negative light are just too lazy or don't care enough to seek the knowledge laying in wait for them.

 

[DARKLIGHTDAN]

coool

 

[Raylo]

judgingnoone is correct when they state that a not guilty verdict is not the same as innocent. it just means there was not sufficient evidence to convict a person of a crime.

a person could still be guilty either in reality or in the minds of those who despise them even if they garner a verdict of ng....oj simpson ring a bell?

as far as the allegations and the trial being a part of his history but NOT being a part of who he is, non-fans cannot separate that fact. they see him as someone who was good or may still be good but maybe has a nasty character flaw that makes him a predator among children. u cannot separate the two.

and datsy, my ass lives in america and maybe we're watching a different channel or on different coasts but i've always seen the atmosphere around mike as talk shiit when he's away and cry like a ***** when he's near. people talked smack about him in the 80s saying he wasn't tough but giggled like a schoolgirl when he was around.

the people in vegas who see him, them ain't fans, but they're excited b/cthis is the kop...regardless of how they feel about his innocence, they'll still freak b/c how often does the man go out ? how hard is it to get ahold of him and take pics? that's the frenzy. it'll always be there no matter what happens.

I completely agree. The people who go crazy when they happen to see MJ aren't fans and will revert back to their former opinions once they go home. I also find that most people who dislike Micheal or who are suspicious of him are just normal people who have heard decades of crap about the man and are not sufficiently interested in him to go out and find out what's true and what isn't. They don't hate him because he's black, they don't hate him because he owns the Beatles' music (they don't even know he owns anyone's music) or because they're Elvis or Madonna fans. I think that's just silly. The average person dislikes him because a person can only hear so much negative stuff or accusations year after year about a seemingly strange individual before believing at least some of it. Most people are like that.

That's not to say these people can't be reasoned with - many of them will have second thoughts about MJ if they were properly informed, but they're not going to inform themselves and that's why other people making positive statements is a good thing. If people want to defend MJ, I say let them do it. His friends and fans defending him can change some peoples' minds, especially young or confused people who don't know what to believe and those who haven't heard all the facts. If you feel that you don't want to see or respond to the negativity and that the haters can go suck an egg, that's fine too, nothing wrong with that. But if other people want to fight the negativity, they should. They're doing it because they want justice for someone they care about. I don't really think that it says anything else about them in most cases (like that they're trying to convince themselves or whatever).

 

[JudgingNoone]

I completely agree. The people who go crazy when they happen to see MJ aren't fans and will revert back to their former opinions once they go home. I also find that most people who dislike Micheal or who are suspicious of him are just normal people who have heard decades of crap about the man and are not sufficiently interested in him to go out and find out what's true and what isn't. They don't hate him because he's black, they don't hate him because he owns the Beatles' music (they don't even know he owns anyone's music) or because they're Elvis or Madonna fans. I think that's just silly. The average person dislikes him because a person can only hear so much negative stuff or accusations year after year about a seemingly strange individual before believing at least some of it. Most people are like that.

That's not to say these people can't be reasoned with - many of them will have second thoughts about MJ if they were properly informed, but they're not going to inform themselves and that's why other people making positive statements is a good thing. If people want to defend MJ, I say let them do it. His friends and fans defending him can change some peoples' minds, especially young or confused people who don't know what to believe and those who haven't heard all the facts. If you feel that you don't want to see or respond to the negativity and that the haters can go suck an egg, that's fine too, nothing wrong with that. But if other people want to fight the negativity, they should. They're doing it because they want justice for someone they care about. I don't really think that it says anything else about them in most cases (like that they're trying to convince themselves or whatever).

One of the best posts I've seen in ages :flowers:

 

[daphnieas]

I completely agree. The people who go crazy when they happen to see MJ aren't fans and will revert back to their former opinions once they go home. I also find that most people who dislike Micheal or who are suspicious of him are just normal people who have heard decades of crap about the man and are not sufficiently interested in him to go out and find out what's true and what isn't. They don't hate him because he's black, they don't hate him because he owns the Beatles' music (they don't even know he owns anyone's music) or because they're Elvis or Madonna fans. I think that's just silly. The average person dislikes him because a person can only hear so much negative stuff or accusations year after year about a seemingly strange individual before believing at least some of it. Most people are like that.

That's not to say these people can't be reasoned with - many of them will have second thoughts about MJ if they were properly informed, but they're not going to inform themselves and that's why other people making positive statements is a good thing. If people want to defend MJ, I say let them do it. His friends and fans defending him can change some peoples' minds, especially young or confused people who don't know what to believe and those who haven't heard all the facts. If you feel that you don't want to see or respond to the negativity and that the haters can go suck an egg, that's fine too, nothing wrong with that. But if other people want to fight the negativity, they should. They're doing it because they want justice for someone they care about. I don't really think that it says anything else about them in most cases (like that they're trying to convince themselves or whatever).

Very good post, agreed.