Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I've read a few claims by people that Katherine is doing this under duress and is being held with the threat of blackmail, due to some "embarrassing" things that were confiscated by Howard Mann via Henry Vacarro storage unit fiasco.

Any validity to this at all, or is that just an attempt to cover for Katherine and her bad decisions??

They are basically saying she is behind this documentary, but only because she's afraid of something worse coming out???

That is absolute rubbish, i can't believe mj fans are propagating that lie of a story.

It was rumored that Mann gave some items to Katherine when she signed the contract but it is nothing but a rumor.

It was more than a rumour, mrs j actually claimed it in a interview with the la times in 2010. She was explaining why she went into business with mann and it was because he was a perfect gentleman by sensitively removing some really really embarrassing items from vaccaro's collection and refused to accept massive $$offers from the tabloids for them. Sullivan wrote about in his book. Apparently the story was that items were given to mrs j in a box and were gay sex stuff and sex toys. However sullivan inadvertantly confirmed it was all a complete fabrication as he quoted schaeffel for this story who told sullivan that the gay sex and sex toy stuff was put together by him for mj who was 'curious' about this type of thing. The problem was that the vaccaro storage unit was seized by vaccaro in the late 90s and schaeffel was claiming he put the box together for mj in 2002 so it's proof that this box of items found in the locker story is completely made up and it was just either a blackmail ploy played by mann and schaeffel on mrs j or something they cooked up together to justify their financial relationship. Anyway this info is all in the public domain so i'm sure mrs j surrounded by her retinue of advisers/lawyers/family is aware of the facts. So, don't buy it as an excuse whatsoever, she's in business with mann because he offered her $$$ not due to some 'blackmail' over a fictitious box.

 

[krikzil]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

It is up to fans to NOT support Mann/Lowe's scheme.

Ivy, yes. If he made a film where memories of Michael are discussed I would like to see it. The film can be released without content requiring licensing.

Contradictory.

The only difference is the scale of the scam and amount of $ being banked.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

But if Katherine is on board and ok with this then can we really call it a scam?

I'm perfectly happy to call it a scam and i'm assuming mrs j is fully on board with it, there is absolutely nothing to suggest she isn't unless someone has proof that grannynapping #2 has occurred and she's holed up in another spa resort without tv or ipad. On behalf of herself and ppb she's asking $$$ from mj fans to pay the mj estate for licensing mj music/images for her documentary - a $billion estate that the 4 of them are the sole beneficiaries of. The family might whine that mrs j is 'only' given an allowance and that ppb have to wait until they're x yrs old to get the full estate but those are just issues that tick off the jackson siblings, mrs j and ppb are 4 hugely massively wealthy individuals and they're asking ordinary fans to pour even more $$ into 'their' estate which they benefit from. I can't believe that the media hasn't roasted them over this.

^^

I think the man in the picture are Brad Wyman (ceo of fund anything), Trent Jackson and Lowell Henry - long time financial advisor/manager. Correct me if I'm wrong

Yes you're right, they're the same guy. I guess the crowdsourcing photo was taken on dress down friday, seeing he didn't have on that classy looking red and black spotted tie.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

But if Katherine is on board and ok with this then can we really call it a scam?

Depends on how you define scam I guess.

If you think asking fans for money is unacceptable then some might classify this as a scam.

If you think a scam is when money is used for something else then it's not a scam - until there's more evidence. If they collect money and use it to license MJ's music or to complete the documentary, the money would be used as they promised. If they use the money differently than they stated it would be a scam.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

LOL

Howard Mann's partner Sonia Lowe edited her twitter profile removing that she's the writer and director for KJ's documentary and deleted her tweets calling it their project.

she's too late.. Already screencapped and posted it.

 

[GreenEyes]

Michael Jackson’s Mother Raises $2K Toward $3Mil Goal on FundAnything for Documentary

by Roger Friedman - December 17, 2013 1:08 am

EXCLUSIVE Really, I do not make these things up. Michael Jackson’s mother Katherine is trying to crowdfund $3.2 million on www.fundanything.com. She wants to make a documentary about Michael with a Chinese businessman named Tetsunori (Terry) T. Kunimune. He’s the CEO of something called Poly Plants, and it looks like he’s a chemical engineer. How the Jacksons select business partners should be a case study at Harvard. So far they’ve raised $2.092.

The attached art work comes from the Jacksons, aka the House of Tacky. Apparently Michael’s estate and executors didn’t know this was happening. Pass the Advil.

:hysterical:

LOL! I'm sorry, but Roger is right. How do they always end up making such poor business decisions and surrounding themselves with such stupid people?

 

[souldreamer7]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

It is confirmed that Howard Mann is behind this documentary. Now we have definitive proof.

Check below Howard Mann's business partner Sonia Lowe's tweets. (She was also sued by MJ Estate together with Howard Mann). She calls herself "writer & director" of the documentary and also calls the project their "pet project" and so on.

Yep. :lol:

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

^^^^ They have stated that the project is all done and that the 3.2 million is to licence the music, I have no idea how much it costs to licence such things and perhaps only time will tell if it's a scam or not.

But here is what I do know, no tribute to Michael, the greatest entertainer who ever lived and our hero should involve some tacky begging bowl project. The whole thing has started out as something that is NOT befitting of the King of Pop. It would be wonderful if just once Katherine worked with Michael's estate and produced a tribute that Michael truly deserves.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

LOL

Howard Mann's partner Sonia Lowe edited her twitter profile removing that she's the writer and director for KJ's documentary and deleted her tweets calling it their project.

she's too late.. Already screencapped and posted it.

Oh that's too funny and too late.

 

[passy001]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

^^^^ They have stated that the project is all done and that the 3.2 million is to licence the music, I have no idea how much it costs to licence such things and perhaps only time will tell if it's a scam or not.

But here is what I do know, no tribute to Michael, the greatest entertainer who ever lived and our hero should involve some tacky begging bowl project. The whole thing has started out as something that is NOT befitting of the King of Pop. It would be wonderful if just once Katherine worked with Michael's estate and produced a tribute that Michael truly deserves.

It's never going to happen. The jacksons are way too uneducated for that. personally i think, things will improve when KJ and Joe pass. until then get used to this kind of nonsense.

While randy could still be around, his position will be weakened owing to the fact that KJ won't be around for him to hide. plus the kids will be adults.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

The problem is Katherine went into business with Mann in the first place.

This insanity didn't happen in a vacuum.

EXACTLY. There is no need to wonder if Katherine is involved, since Mann is not going to go and ask the kids to make statements without the approval of the guardian. This all comes from the Katherine and Mann agreement, and she left him with access to all the footage he took of the children. I cannot blame Mann without blaming Katherine. Hopefully the estate will not license any of Michael's music, however, Mann already has the children's footage and could sell his documentary with Michael's music.

By the way who are the fans who are funding this venture? I thought that after the results of the Wales fiasco which saw the company going into administration and learning that the family members were paid first, while vendors such as the airline company were looking for payment, would alert people to do some more research.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I do not know if I laugh or I cry .... What will happen going forward? :blink: I'm anxious to see the next scenes of this big mess..... :fear: *big sigh*

I got an email from Joe Jackson's publicist.

She told me this documentary is an exclusive Katherine and MJ's children project and Randy Jackson and no other family members are behind it.

Randy.... :fear: uke:

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

If they collect money and use it to license MJ's music or to complete the documentary, the money would be used as they promised. If they use the money differently than they stated it would be a scam.

They claim that the licensing of mj material they want to use in the film is expensive and they need to raise funds to pay for it. They act like it's some random company that they have to pay for the rights, it's not, it's mj's estate of which they are the sole beneficiaries. They're in effect asking money for themselves but dressing it up as paying for some rights. I know that mrs j and the rest of the cubs don't see the estate in that way as it's the 'big enemy', but that feud is irrelevant at the end of the day, every $ the estate makes ultimately ends up with mrs j and ppb.

Multimillionaires asking ordianary people for $$ to fund some 'copyrights' which they financially control and have the sole benefit from but neglect to make that clear in their crowdsourcing appeal is wrong and it's a scam. Imagine if spike lee had done that with his kickstarter appeal - have the $lm he raised go to a company that he controls and which funds his lifestyle - there wd be an outcry.

By the way who are the fans who are funding this venture? I thought that after the results of the Wales fiasco which saw the company going into administration and learning that the family members were paid first, while vendors such as the airline company were looking for payment, would alert people to do some more research.

Seeing there are at least 7 fans who have willingly paid extra $ to get a movie poster of that artwork of mj serving up pancakes we need to accept that there are some people beyond help and rational argument.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

The items Mann gave Katherine were Janet Jackson's sex toys, they did not belong to MJ. I don't know if he tried to add anything else in there or whatever, but back when he was hawking these things about, that was all he had. They did not belong to MJ. No gay sex stuff, nothing like that all in there.

He has nothing on MJ.

He may have helped use those as leverage with Katherine in 2010, but acting like that has anything to do with all the bullshit she's engaged with since then is just naive at best. She defended her use of Mann/book deals and all that tat once by saying it wasn't about "greed, but need." They're still desperate for AEG money. She is not being dragged about for all these things and trying to suggest things and smear MJ's name up to defend her is ludicrous and offensive and false.

It's a real shame the kids are once again used to promote tacky projects about their father and to rewrite his life story. Because I believe it will be typical Jacksons story ''we made him, he just didn't understand, other people blocked family when we wanted to help him, he owe us etc.'' and then few words about his solo career like it didn't matter at all, allegations and drugs. Blah. Not interested.

Exactly, all about how they would've/could've saved MJ but bad people got involved and blah blah blah. Expect lots of stories about little Michael. Michael dancing to the washing machine. Expect an absence of Janet Jackson or of 99% of people relevant to his life who they dislike or who dislike them. Seriously, just the same old shit regurgitated. The only worthwhile aspects would be the children but I don't want to see their stories told in context of such tacky exploitation which cheapens and demeans their story.

The fact they have Joe Jackson making it seem like he's eager to whore Blanket out already and they think THAT is a quote a fan would pay $3.2 million to see in a documentary, shows already they are oblivious to themselves.

 

[Kerry Hennigan]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

^^^^ But here is what I do know, no tribute to Michael, the greatest entertainer who ever lived and our hero should involve some tacky begging bowl project. The whole thing has started out as something that is NOT befitting of the King of Pop. It would be wonderful if just once Katherine worked with Michael's estate and produced a tribute that Michael truly deserves.

Truer words have never been said. I concur with your feelings totally! It's embarrassing to have Michael's name and Michael's children involved in such a scheme.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I see that picture with Katherine there and I get the creeps sorry.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

They claim that the licensing of mj material they want to use in the film is expensive and they need to raise funds to pay for it. They act like it's some random company that they have to pay for the rights, it's not, it's mj's estate of which they are the sole beneficiaries. They're in effect asking money for themselves but dressing it up as paying for some rights. I know that mrs j and the rest of the cubs don't see the estate in that way as it's the 'big enemy', but that feud is irrelevant at the end of the day, every $ the estate makes ultimately ends up with mrs j and ppb.

Multimillionaires asking ordianary people for $$ to fund some 'copyrights' which they financially control and have the sole benefit from but neglect to make that clear in their crowdsourcing appeal is wrong and it's a scam. Imagine if spike lee had done that with his kickstarter appeal - have the $lm he raised go to a company that he controls and which funds his lifestyle - there wd be an outcry.

While I agree with this to an extent, it's not that simple IMO. Yes you are absolutely correct that they are actually asking MJ fans money to pay MJ Estate and Sony. Yes that money will eventually go into the account of MJ Estate and will be used / given for Katherine and the kids. So you are absolutely correct in that regard.

However the relationship between Estate and Katherine&partners aren't friendly. Katherine and her partners never include Estate in their plans, never ask for Estate's blessing and help. They generally try to bypass Estate and find themselves involved in lawsuits. Now it looks like they decided to pay to make sure they do not to have any problems. Also it looks like at least from Katherine's perspective she doesn't see the money Estate generated being paid or given to her. So in their mind they might be seeing this as fans helping them to bypass the evil Estate.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this fundraising or this project that will help put money in Mann/ Vaccaro's pockets.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

The evil estate that takes care of her needs and bills and everything for Michael's kids like he wanted. I wouldn't give them a penny for this.

 

[Kerry Hennigan]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

However the relationship between Estate and Katherine&partners aren't friendly. Katherine and her partners never include Estate in their plans, never ask for Estate's blessing and help. They generally try to bypass Estate and find themselves involved in lawsuits. Now it looks like they decided to pay not to have any problems. Also it looks like at least from Katherine's perspective she doesn't see the money Estate generated being paid or given to her. So in their mind they might be seeing this as fans helping them to bypass the evil Estate.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this fundraising or this project that will help put money in Mann/ Vaccaro's pockets.

I have never been able to figure out why KJ sees the Estate as 'evil' EXCEPT for the fact that it denies KJ and her other children control of the income. It really always seems to be about wanting MORE MONEY - and with the revelations in the civil trial re finances, it is clear to me that not just many of us fans, but the general public, see them as absolutely GREEDY.

Really, the behaviour of some of the Jacksons since Michael's passing has too often been disgraceful, and I more and more despair for PP&B being in the midst of all this. I truly, sincerely pray that their memories of the upbringing they had during their years with Michael, and the qualities he instilled in them, overpower the ethics (!) of some members of the wider family, not to mention their associates.

As for the fans supporting this project (if they ARE fans) I can only guess that they are those who can see KJ and the rest of the brood as doing no wrong and probably the Estate as, yes, evil in line with the Jackson's claims to that effect. They are welcome to their view... though I don't know how they can justify it given the evidence (assuming they've even bothered to look at it!) :crazy:

It's enough to make you want to SCREAM (but without Janet)!!! :scream:

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

It's tiring and people don't want to listen to them anymore. It's like she doesn't appreciate at all what Michael has done for her. She has nothing to worry about and it's not Michael's job to take care of the whole family. Go ask Janet for $3million or their friends in the business. Asking fans for money is tacky to me.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I have never been able to figure out why KJ sees the Estate as 'evil' EXCEPT for the fact that it denies KJ and her other children control of the income. It really always seems to be about wanting MORE MONEY

It looks like it is about money and control. They want to do whatever they want, they want control and they want more money and a lot more quicker. On the other hand Executors have the decision making power and only look after KJ. That's what makes them evil.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Michael didn't even have to put Katherine in his will. Most people just leave everything to their kids and that's it. She should be grateful that she doesn't have to worry about anything. There are so many people her age and younger who will never see the kind of money she gets just in a month.

Their entitlement to everything Michael is disturbing behavior. It's hard for me to understand. I believe she loves Michael but the actions I see I just don't understand at all.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Michael didn't even have to put Katherine in his will. Most people just leave everything to their kids and that's it. She should be grateful that she doesn't have to worry about anything. There are so many people her age and younger who will never see the kind of money she gets just in a month.

Their entitlement to everything Michael is disturbing behavior. It's hard for me to understand. I believe she loves Michael but the actions I see I just don't understand at all.

None of the the Jackson parents and siblings deserved to have Michael as a family member, most of them used (well, still use him) and took advantage of him beyond belief since he was a baby boy, he didn't deserve to have those greedy shitty relatives, it's not fair he had to carry with them most of his life just because most of them are a bunch of slackers who found easy living at Michael's expense than working.

He made a huge mistake putting his mother in the will and leaving his children with her, at least he chose well his Estate executors because if it was run by family members, Michael's legacy would had gone right through the toilet.

 

[mkgenie]

Tetsunori T. Kunimune is a Japanese man

Chinese names don't spell like that, and your screen grabs of the company also are in Japanese.

More about Tetsunori (Terry) T. Kunimune thanks to our friends at Insanity Nexxt

Friedman wrote: "Chinese businessman named Tetsunori (Terry) T. Kunimune. He’s the CEO of something called Poly Plants, and it looks like he’s a chemical engineer"

This is true

another company is

This is the website of one of Mr. Kunimune's companies:

"The Company was originally founded in 1979 in La Canada, California and moved its’ headquarters to Burbank, California in 1998. Through the years, Kunical has been offering a wide range of products and services to the semiconductor, wafer fabrication, solar and silicon crystal growing industries." -BX

Then BX from Insanity X has found this

And this is a website of another one of Mr. Kunimune's companies: http://tmbintl.com/, an "entertainment and events" company - and a screenhot of the "Our Services" page - it is in Japanese but basically just lists the services. Have a look at the visuals... -BX

If you look to http://tmbintl.com/OurServices.php page (Screenshot above) and translate it, it looks like he did event coordination for Michael's History tour December 26 and 28, 1996.

 

[passy001]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

While I agree with this to an extent, it's not that simple IMO. Yes you are absolutely correct that they are actually asking MJ fans money to pay MJ Estate and Sony. Yes that money will eventually go into the account of MJ Estate and will be used / given for Katherine and the kids. So you are absolutely correct in that regard.

However the relationship between Estate and Katherine&partners aren't friendly. Katherine and her partners never include Estate in their plans, never ask for Estate's blessing and help. They generally try to bypass Estate and find themselves involved in lawsuits. Now it looks like they decided to pay to make sure they do not to have any problems. Also it looks like at least from Katherine's perspective she doesn't see the money Estate generated being paid or given to her. So in their mind they might be seeing this as fans helping them to bypass the evil Estate.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this fundraising or this project that will help put money in Mann/ Vaccaro's pockets.

As a member of the public, should it even be relevant to me whether KJ is on good terms with the estate or not?

The fact of the matter is she is making a deliberate misrepresentation, by omission of fact, to the public in an attempt to raise money that will in the end go into her pocket. and that is what makes it a scam as Bonnie Blue explained so well earlier.

 

[passy001]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Tetsunori T. Kunimune is a Japanese man

Chinese names don't spell like that, and your screen grabs of the company also are in Japanese.

Interesting. Thus could it be the same company the estate is suing in Japan?

 

[mkgenie]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Well, as Tetsunori T. Kunimune is a big boss of a big company which claims to have many offices in the world
I don't understand why he still sought money from fans.
He can just invest into this documentary project and all the things will easily happen as he is rich enough to do so.

I first thought he was a lesser known filmmaker without so much money.
now it turns out to be otherwise.

 

[Tygger]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Contradictory.

The only difference is the scale of the scam and amount of $ being banked.

Yes, contradictory to those who do not seem to grasp the difference between a completed film that must be paid for to view (like Gest's film) and a scheme by Mann/Lowe to solicit unnecessary licensing funds for a completed film.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Tetsunori T. Kunimune is a Japanese man

Chinese names don't spell like that, and your screen grabs of the company also are in Japanese.

Roger Friedman said he was Chinese. BX wrote that the webpage was in Japanese.

 

[ivy]

Estate releases a statement

Hello:


The Estate of Michael Jackson has no involvement with the solicitation of funds for the completion of the purported documentary film being promoted on the FundAnything.com internet site. The Estate would never ask Michael’s fans to contribute their money to finance any speculative project.


Furthermore, the site is offering merchandise bearing the Michael Jackson name, likeness and/or trademarks which are the intellectual property of the Estate of Michael Jackson and which may be legally exploited only by the Estate and by its authorized licensees.


The Estate will continue to release only the highest quality finished, professional projects showcasing the genius and humanity of Michael such as the This Is It film and the two very successful shows with Cirque du Soleil (Immortal and ONE).