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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

Something isn't adding up. Just like Sharpton said - Michael wasn't strange, but the situations and circumstances and folks around him certainly have been strange. I don't think we will ever know the real deal. Other homicides of less famous entertainers remain "unsolved" but believe me, someone knows the truth. Someone always does. And imo, if it looks fishy, it is.
 
You know what Michael said in his Oxford speech 2003?

And friends, I have encountered so much in this relatively short life of mine that I still cannot believe I am only 42.
I often tell Shmuley that in soul years I’m sure that I’m at least 80 — and tonight I even walk like I’m 80.

He had pain, so he took all this stuff, he had so much stress and bad people to deal with...I don't think it was homicide...the doctors just didn't care.
 
Trish said:
The bottom line is this...

There was gross negligence on the part of the physician who (allegedly) provided Diprivan to Michael. The negligence is so out of line that it could be deemed as a homicide. Why? Because that drug is an anesthetic to be used for surgery. It is not for home use.

You have to be hospitalized and have an anesthesiologist, a physician, a nurse, oxygen machine, blood pressure/heart monitor and defibrillator present to be placed on Diprivan and again, it used for surgery. Even if Michael used it on his own, the doctor(s) who gave it to him (because it can't be prescribed, it can only be stolen from a HOSPITAL or doctor's office) can be charged with negligent homicide/manslaughter.

I hope the police, D.A. and everyone investigating are diligent in finding out what happened to Michael.
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After reading 22 pages, the above post is still what it comes down to.

JazmyneDraven said:
What bothers me is that I've heard reports that the insurance policy that AEG had actually covered an overdose, should it ever occur... Which says to me, that they knew he had an issue with prescription drugs at the time they took the policy out...
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I heard that too, they did cover an overdose, but they didn't cover a natural death. Now I don't quite get that, but dont you think covering an overdose is like a standard thing? I mean if anything, AEG wanted to cover their ass in every possible way because such a huge amount of money was at stake. Michael passed the physical test, I doubt he would've managed to do that if he were in the kind of physical state that the media is suggesting at this point.

I say bring on the tox report.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
thatwas denied by the insurance
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Thank you!!
I have tried to see if I could find some confirmation on this, because I thought I had seen them deny it it ( that the insurance covered death due to overdose/ drug abuse). So how could he pass the test?!

My point is: there is so mutch information flying around all over, and so mutch speculation- that its hard to know whats true or not.
I think I will stop speculating about this until I hear the conclusion of the investigation. Both because it too mutch S.. flying around, and its impossible to separate fact from pure fiction, and because there are three children who should be spared the impression that everyone thinks their father was a drug addict.
 
WHES said:
He would have died a long time ago if that was the case.
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not necessarily. xanex comes in 0.5 mg and people build tolerances. Even tho I believe Michael did have a drug problem, I dont believe this was the cause of death. I think it was deprivan.
 
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I do not believe these stories, not even sure if I believe all this talk about alleged drug abuse. I do not trust that the toxicology reports will be truthful. That's why it's important that Michael's family take every step possible to find out exactly what happened and that they don't just rely on whatever they've been "told." I believe that there are still honest, reputable people (lawyers, doctors, etc.,) who will step in and challenge, and/or confirm reports. I applauded the Jackson's decision to get a second autopsy. If I were them, I would not rest until I knew the truth and the truth is never hidden. Somebody knows the truth.
 
BruceWayne said:
Yeah basically meaning that either Michael took an overdose or someone else gave him one.

I have a hard time thinking anyone around him would like to take his life, Michael is the one paying their bills.
No Michael = no money for them.
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And i don't think he would ectually kill himself. He wouldn't do that to his children.
I think it's murder. I have a feeling.
 
I don't believe he was an addict, but I am keeping an open mind, nobody around him saw any sign of addiction, he may have used prescription drugs for the right reasons, but he was not a doctor and we know how he trusted people.

In my book if he was given Diprivin at home with no resucitation drugs or equipment it amounts to murder.
 
nobody take this the wrong way please. but i believe Mj had a drug problem. a part of me hopes that wasnt the case, but a bigger part of me hopes that WAS the case.

if Mj has had a drug problem for a while now, (which we know he has had in the past), he was obviously not at peace. i dont blame him. imagine what he has been through his whole life. that would shorten ANYONES life span. maybe Mj was aching so bad, that a part of him just wanted to rest with God. Mj had the knowledge to know these drugs could lead to death. i would almost rather have it be something that was on Mj's hands then some "murderer". if Mj was a victim of a poor doctor, i would feel worse. i feel better knowing Mj finally has the true peace he was searching for, and i would feel more comfortable knowing he was responsible for it. nothing suicidal, because he wasnt looking to die, but an accidental overdose is something i could of seen happening. if not in june, it may have happened within the year regardless.

anyone else feel the same?
 
I cant believe we are talking about this crap, we should be talking about his concerts that were about to start! i am so mad!!! God please help us stay strong!
 
I'm sick of CNN, they want that the fans or public in general sees Michael as a bad example for the society.
His music was absolutely perfect, the human being was not but who cares!!! For what making such a big deal??
I mean, who are we for judging?? No one it's perfect. I wouldn't blame Michael for using drugs, the media, those false friends he had destroyed his spirit little by little.
I'm feeling worst! :(
 
I think we all just need to wait for toxicology results. The good thing is that the Jackson's will be having independent results, so there are 2 sets.

I'm bothered by people just assuming Michael abused prescriptions just because he had a problem in the past. The thing is, when he DID have a problem, he acknowledged it and did something about it.

If he had a legitimate reason to take prescribed painkillers, then it is NOT abuse - and that's that. There are too many rumors and too little facts. News sources have said that subpoenas were given for medical records. Notations there on drugs prescribed should match DEA number records. Also, the reason for prescriptions should be there. That's why they mentioned x-rays, etc. Any decent doctor would only prescribe for a legitimate reason and only continually if there is nothing else that will help. Also, doctors are trained to look for drug seeking behavior and require patients to undergo testing and trials of other treatments before relying solely on painkillers.

While it is true that there are doctors who can be found who will do what they should not, WE should not assume that is true in this case - bad enough so many "news" sources are doing that.
 
Lacey said:
I think we all just need to wait for toxicology results. The good thing is that the Jackson's will be having independent results, so there are 2 sets.

I'm bothered by people just assuming Michael abused prescriptions just because he had a problem in the past. The thing is, when he DID have a problem, he acknowledged it and did something about it.

If he had a legitimate reason to take prescribed painkillers, then it is NOT abuse - and that's that. There are too many rumors and too little facts. News sources have said that subpoenas were given for medical records. Notations there on drugs prescribed should match DEA number records. Also, the reason for prescriptions should be there. That's why they mentioned x-rays, etc. Any decent doctor would only prescribe for a legitimate reason and only continually if there is nothing else that will help. Also, doctors are trained to look for drug seeking behavior and require patients to undergo testing and trials of other treatments before relying solely on painkillers.

While it is true that there are doctors who can be found who will do what they should not, WE should not assume that is true in this case - bad enough so many "news" sources are doing that.
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but also, there are crooked doctors out there who will give out drugs for the right amount of money, especially in CA. i think that will be a big part of a possible homicide case.
 
Lacey said:
I think we all just need to wait for toxicology results. The good thing is that the Jackson's will be having independent results, so there are 2 sets.

I'm bothered by people just assuming Michael abused prescriptions just because he had a problem in the past. The thing is, when he DID have a problem, he acknowledged it and did something about it.

If he had a legitimate reason to take prescribed painkillers, then it is NOT abuse - and that's that. There are too many rumors and too little facts. News sources have said that subpoenas were given for medical records. Notations there on drugs prescribed should match DEA number records. Also, the reason for prescriptions should be there. That's why they mentioned x-rays, etc. Any decent doctor would only prescribe for a legitimate reason and only continually if there is nothing else that will help. Also, doctors are trained to look for drug seeking behavior and require patients to undergo testing and trials of other treatments before relying solely on painkillers.

While it is true that there are doctors who can be found who will do what they should not, WE should not assume that is true in this case - bad enough so many "news" sources are doing that.
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Agree. And I do think its good with a "time out" when it comes to the speculation. I don`t know how it makes other people feel, but for me it makes my heart hurt thinking too mutch and knowing too little. I don`t think anyone realy knows what happened.
Michael once said that the lie runs sprints, and the truth runs marathons. Lets hope that is the case now too.
 
1offthewall1 said:
but also, there are crooked doctors out there who will give out drugs for the right amount of money, especially in CA. i think that will be a big part of a possible homicide case.
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That's very possible and in that case the doctors are responsible. But we just don't know yet. Personally, I think Diprivan may be more likely. I really do NOT understand why it took so long for the doctor to call 911. That, along with improper CPR would be reasons to consider homicide, especially if Diprivan was involved. Time for the doctor to remove things from the room, etc. The big thing would be that if Diprivan IS found, did the doctor inform emergency personnel and ER doctors that it was used? That would be deliberately hiding crucial facts - again a reason to consider homicide.

I had wondered about Klein, but in thinking about it, wondered if Murray got the Diprivan from Klein. Klein would certainly have it. These are all things that need to be investigated. But nothing can known until the tox results are back.
 
Personally, I think Diprivan may be more likely. I really do NOT understand why it took so long for the doctor to call 911.
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u answered your question. no doctor should be giving someone this drug in your own home its manslaughter by negligence. he gave mj stuff he shouldnt have tried to cover it up by bringing mj back hence not ringing 911 for 30 mins when it didnt work he then got help and it was to late. the doc killed him
 
elusive moonwalker said:
u answered your question. no doctor should be giving someone this drug in your own home its manslaughter by negligence. he gave mj stuff he shouldnt have tried to cover it up by bringing mj back hence not ringing 911 for 30 mins when it didnt work he then got help and it was to late. the doc killed him
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I totally agree with you. But i'm afraid we'll never know the real reason.
 
My thing is this....if Michael said he was not feeling well the night before, then why didn't someone take him to the hospital? Something could have been wrong with Michael before he went to bed that night and it probably had nothing to do with a drug overdose. This is highly plausible. The LAPD is only looking into the doctors because they want a heads up just in case the tox reports come back showing a drug overdose or an illegal drug being given. They don't want to be caught off guard.

Meanwhile, the impatient media are building their own case on why they think Michael died, and the most salicious thing they could come up with is that he was a drug addict.

I have a hard time believing that Michael was this seasoned drug addict with all that high intensity dancing he has been doing his entire life. I think if Michael was a drug addict like the media wants us to believe he was, he would have collapsed on stage a long time ago. But he certainly would not have been looking totally fine and dancing with so much energy and balance only days before he passed. I just don't buy the drugged up story.

I also don't buy the family intervention story because the family has already denied this. Although Miko said he had heard about it. That doesn't mean it really happened.
 
i wish someone would have picked a doctor FOR Mj, and not let him pick the dr. himself. how could you give in to someone wanting such a risky drug? while not in a hospital? ESPECIALLY Mj. just another "yes" man to add to the list.
 
1offthewall1 said:
i wish someone would have picked a doctor FOR Mj, and not let him pick the dr. himself. how could you give in to someone wanting such a risky drug? while not in a hospital? ESPECIALLY Mj. just another "yes" man to add to the list.
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all about the money unfortunately
 
1offthewall1 said:
i wish someone would have picked a doctor FOR Mj, and not let him pick the dr. himself. how could you give in to someone wanting such a risky drug? while not in a hospital? ESPECIALLY Mj. just another "yes" man to add to the list.
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MJ probably wanted a yes man, not someone who would refuse him, that is why he insisted on Dr. Murray.
 
Randy Phillips did try to pick a doctor for MJ. He told him that he would get him a doctor in London. But Michael insisted on having this Murray guy. For some reason, he had to have this guy.
 
Unfortunately, I can't say I have a hard time seeing that he had an addiction to pills... considering he himself admitted it in 1993, and with addiction, you do build up a tolerance, and those that can hide it, hide it very well.. I didn't know my own brother was a cocaine addict until I caught him using when I came home early one day...
 
oh my gosh! i can;t believe this,,,,why would MJ take soo much pills when he had 3 children to care and love?
 
Michael did not say he was a drug addict, though. He said he developed an addiction to pain killers and went to Europe for treatment. He never said anything about a drug addiction problem after that one time. The media is showing that clip over and over again and claiming that Michael admitted that he was a drug abuser. He did not.
 
JazmyneDraven said:
Unfortunately, I can't say I have a hard time seeing that he had an addiction to pills... considering he himself admitted it in 1993, and with addiction, you do build up a tolerance, and those that can hide it, hide it very well.. I didn't know my own brother was a cocaine addict until I caught him using when I came home early one day...
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See that is just it. In 1993 he DID admit it and sought treatment. That was before he had children. I would think that if he again had a problem, he would do the same - especially now.

Again, I have to say that taking prescription drugs does NOT equal abuse. It was stated in reports he had a cracked vertebra in the past as well as a broken leg. Along with the possibility of lupus inflammation, it is also likely he could have some arthritis, even in early forms. All of that could cause chronic pain for which he would need to be treated. Sometimes after everything else is tried, chronic painkillers are the only choice left. Then, too, all the dancing and rehearsal would make the pain worse.

We absolutely can NOT know anything until the tox results are back and I think it is unfair for people to assume anything is true until all the facts are in.
 
Too many contradictions from different people, much of it doesn't add up imo...too many stories and different agendas...I'll be surprised if they ever get to the bottom of it all...even if they come up with exact cause of death...the stories will continue, books, interviews etc. Anything for money. It's only been 2 weeks and I am tired of it already. Not really fair to his kids for all this ish to be happening, just for the exploitation of it. They won't be protected forever from it...who knows how it will affect them and what impact it may have on them...I hate that thought.
 
At this point, I believe NOTHING I hear on CNN. You do realize that "the source" for a lot of this is Ian Halperin, right? I will not believe about the drugs unless/until a toxicology report is made public. Remember the vast amount of tabloid-type misinformation during the trial? This is more of that same garbage. Just because it's in print or on the air, does not make it factual.

If this was a "crime scene," then the LAPD took down the caution-tape too soon and allowed access to a lot of people. Anything found after the tape went down, could have been planted.

Follow the MONEY. To whom was Michael more valuable dead than alive? Who had insurance policies on him, and for how much? WHO will cash-in? Follow the money in the coming days/weeks. Therein will be the answer, I think. . . . . . .
 
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