Latoya Defends Madonna

Madonna never said she was best friends and admitted to it and said so herself that she abandoned him. That many did. What she said was true, from the heart, and took guts. That is why she is getting **** for it. The media don't like being called out on their ish (the witch hunt).

What she said about people turning their backs on Mike was indeed TRUE, thats because she was talkin about herself. The only reaseon sha had "guts" was because he's dead. I mean really! Since June 25th its been acceptable to be his fan. Before then all these people didn't give a damn about Michael, but now they do? PIck one and stick to it. Im not trying to be disrespectful to you or anyone else. But I have no respect for Madonna, or anything that she said. Call me heartless, but she is as fake as they come
 
If Mike were still alive, do you honestly think she would have said 2 words about Michael? Hell NO! She knew what she did and said about him was dirty as hell.
What did she do and say about him? I've never followed her career or her comments, so wouldn't know.

So funny how all these "fans" are coming to the surface now that Michael has passed on. Where the hell where they when he really needed them? Pointing fingers and talkin shit!
True, but at least Madonna is admitting it and calling others out too. There's nothing else she can do at this point. At least La Toya and Katherine felt good about Madonna's speech. Maybe that will go a little way towards healing family members who got tired of seeing Michael hurt.

You guys talk shit about his family,
You see a LOT of that here, and I must say, I hate seeing it. :sad:
 
Fake? Hypocrite? Come on! I think the fans on here spreading the same kind of hate and lies about Madonna as was done to MJ are the real fake ones. You certainly don't represent MJ. :smilerolleyes:

What did Madonna say? There are all these accusations and no clear source or quotes? When did this happen? Where? Why? As far as I know the feuds have mostly been speculation and besides that, people grow and change. Stop hating. There is no "truth" that you speak of and you guys being so cruel and ruining a perfectly lovely tribute that did indeed clearly come from the heart. Some are so personally blinded by their own personal hatred/envy/jealousy/whatever it is, that they can't see the truth if it slapped them in the face. How can you be so cruel? Did MJ's message of peace and love pass you by?

Yes, you despise Madonna. Who cares? Don't respond. Move on.

It never ceases to amaze me how truly nasty some of MJ's fans can be. Tragic.

I don't understand the pure and clear hate happening and it truly makes me sad. I have no doubt MJ loved and appreciated Madonna stepping up to the plate, taking blame, and honoring him.
 
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Fake? Hypocrite? Come on! I think the fans on here spreading the same kind of hate and lies about Madonna as was done to MJ are the real fake ones. You certainly don't represent MJ. :smilerolleyes:

What did Madonna say? There are all these accusations and no clear source or quotes? When did this happen? Where? Why? As far as I know the feuds have mostly been speculation and besides that, people grow and change. Stop hating. There is no "truth" that you speak of and you guys being so cruel and ruining a perfectly lovely tribute that did indeed clearly come from the heart. Some are so personally blinded by their own personal hatred/envy/jealousy/whatever it is, that they can't see the truth if it slapped them in the face. How can you be so cruel? Did MJ's message of peace and love pass you by?

Yes, you despise Madonna. Who cares? Don't respond. Move on.

It never ceases to amaze me how truly nasty some of MJ's fans can be. Tragic.

I don't understand the pure and clear hate happening and it truly makes me sad. I have no doubt MJ loved and appreciated Madonna stepping up to the plate, honoring him, and taking blame.

Despite the fact that Madonna fans can be even nastier, the fact is that you are right. When someone invents trash about Michael, we complain. When someone honors Michael, we complain. When someone doesn't honor and doesn't invent trash, we complain.
Madonna's speech was very good. There's one thing I like about Madonna: she tells you like it is. No sugar-coating, no bullshit, no nothing; she's REAL.
BTW, there was NEVER a feud between Madonna and Michael. Michael had one but with Prince.
Jona, this time, I agree with you. I don't like Madonna but there is no need to "witch-hunt" her. Her tribute was awesome and she just showed, in black and white, that she is, in fact, a great professional. And an icon.
 
Despite the fact that Madonna fans can be even nastier, the fact is that you are right. When someone invents trash about Michael, we complain. When someone honors Michael, we complain. When someone doesn't honor and doesn't invent trash, we complain.
Madonna's speech was very good. There's one thing I like about Madonna: she tells you like it is. No sugar-coating, no bullshit, no nothing; she's REAL.
BTW, there was NEVER a feud between Madonna and Michael. Michael had one but with Prince.
Jona, this time, I agree with you. I don't like Madonna but there is no need to "witch-hunt" her. Her tribute was awesome and she just showed, in black and white, that she is, in fact, a great professional. And an icon.

Stranger things have happened. Ha! :p

Thank you and I completely respect and appreciate your response. Very classy. It's not about if someone doesn't like or appreciate Madonna the same way I do, it's the attitude and lengths people go to express and discredit her that is distasteful to me.

Thanks again! :clapping:

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If Mike were still alive, do you honestly think she would have said 2 words about Michael? Hell NO! She knew what she did and said about him was dirty as hell. She tried to compare herself to him! LOL, she's a talentless joke. That's like Sneddon going on the BET awards saying he is sorry he turned his back on Mike..WTF. They were not friends and her ass knows why. So funny how all these "fans" are coming to the surface now that Michael has passed on. Where the hell where they when he really needed them? Pointing fingers and talkin shit! So, Madonna can save her weak ass empty ass words. She never gave a damn about Mike and she never will. You guys talk shit about his family, yet worship her like she's all high and mighty...wtf ever

No she wouldnt have, and it proves the very point she was making in her speech. Many many people are now feeling Michaels death in ways that surprise even themselves. As she pointed out, as humans, we dont truly value or appreciate something until its gone. That is absolute truth, sad, but true, hence the re-surgence and interest in Michaels music, people have now realised that something brilliant has gone.

Those fairweather fans are now thinking, God, he really was amazing, waht did I miss out on. At least we all here can be glad that we experienced and enjoyed so much more of him.
 
um i honestly believe madge did all that for malawi so she could bypass the laws and adopt her two children. butmoving on.....

u can't expect soemone to gush w/ love when a hater says 'sorry' it means nothing now. all this show of love and support? he's dead, he never got to experience this love and adulation from EVERYONE. the respect? where was it?

most of the folks at the memorial we not by his side, even quote wise, during the trial. yet they came to say goodbye? people were laughing, eating mcdonald's(chile big macs everywhere), and taking pics. it wasn't a somber event to them. it was just an event.
 
I loved Madonna's speech. It was very touching and most importantly, honest. She won more of my respect after it.

Thank you Madonna.
 
I simply do not trust Madonna. Everything she does is FAKE even if it sounds great.
 
Fake? Hypocrite? Come on! I think the fans on here spreading the same kind of hate and lies about Madonna as was done to MJ are the real fake ones. You certainly don't represent MJ. :smilerolleyes:

michael is dead D.E.A.D. dead! we have the right to be angry, pissed, irritated, bitter whatever we want, he's dead now. they made him suffer endlessly when he was live and no one was there for him when and now he's dead, and they all feel sorry aww...they can fuck off with their respect now. michael is lying in a grave now how's anything going to make me feel better?
as for the comments on madonna - let's not even go there. they're not even half as hateful and disgusting as the comments you find on madonna forums about MJ, I hope she's proud of her fans.
 
to me, it does not matter. I think she did great. Maybe she is regretting not standing by him and that is life when it come to people. She did a great job (I am ususally down on Madonna). I will give her her props.
 
THE SUNDAY TIMES’ INTERVIEW W/ MADONNA


September 20th, 2009

The British nerve centre for Madonna Inc is to be found in two adjoining townhouses in central London. The buildings are a home for the singer and her four children when they are in this country, plus offices and a personal gym. From the outside, the six-storey edifices are standard-issue London mansions — that is, way beyond the standards most of us are accustomed to. There is something impregnable about such streets: an air of discreet luxury pervades them. Litter seems not to blow or rattle down their immaculate expanses; no chewing gum or urgently expelled kebab encrusts their gleaming paving stones. You might glance up at Madonna’s perfect residential pair and admire their symmetry, the cleanness of their architectural lines. But you would be more likely, unless you were a lurking paparazzo, not even to notice them; they are merely two houses in a long, wide street of the things. Anonymous, ordered, well maintained and with a touch of class. Madonna wouldn’t have it any other way. “Where do you live?” she asks when we meet later. Dalston, I say. The name doesn’t register. Stoke Newington, I add as a pointer. “That’s not even in London,” she scoffs. And it isn’t, to be fair. Or not in this London, at any rate.


The evening before I walk down her street and ring the doorbell, I visit another imposing building near the singer’s home. A few days earlier, a leaflet had been thrust into my hand. “It’s a Sign,” it read, and considering that it went on to invite the bearer to an introductory talk on kabbalah at the centre Madonna bought for the organisation six years ago, it seemed just that. The lecture offered an hour-long precis of what cynics would dismiss as woolly mumbo jumbo. One per cent of each of us is concerned with our corporal beings; concentrate on the remaining 99%, the speaker suggests, and we locate the key to a spiritually nourishing life. There is, however, an impression of calm, wellbeing, even complacency. And Madonna, as even a cursory knowledge of her questing, controversy-courting 27-year career will attest, needs calm. Because the opposite of calm, of control, is? “Chaos,” she says later. “Pain, suffering.”


We are meeting to discuss Celebration, the two-disc, 36-track greatest-hits collection that marks Madonna’s final contractual obligation to her record label before she skips off into the $120m embrace of Live Nation, the American concert promoters. Conditions have been imposed: no questions about adoption, about her divorce, about her love life, her faith; discussion is to be confined to her music. Refereeing the joust is the singer’s longtime American publicist, a formidable, don’t-mess-with-me powerhouse named Liz Rosenberg, whose manner, if not appearance, puts one instantly and inescapably in mind of the character of Roz, the giant snail in the film Monsters Inc, with her catch phrase: “I’m watching you, Wazowski. Always watching.” She has worked for the singer pretty much from the moment, in 1982, when Madonna was first handed the keys to the candy store of stardom. “By the way,” Madonna says at one point, “my dream was always to work in a candy store. It was because of my obsession with candy; I don’t have it any more, now that my teeth are all rotten. I did go to a university for a year, as shocking as that might sound to people, and there was a candy shop that I used to go to all the time, an old-fashioned one where all the candy was in these big glass jars. I used to go in there and look at all the candy and think, ‘God, it would be really cool to work in here; I could have candy whenever I wanted.’ So I did want the keys to the candy store, but I had different keys.” Confectionery’s loss, pop’s gain.


In Life with My Sister Madonna, Christopher Ciccone’s bitchy and embittered memoir, the singer’s brother recounts how every single minute of his sister’s day is planned and accounted for. Today, however, that schedule has gone awry. Seconds before I am due at her front door, a call comes through advising me to delay by 15 minutes. Which I duly do, only to be parked in the reception hall for a further quarter of an hour. It gives me a chance to take a look around. As I wait, Madonna appears briefly before descending to the basement, from which various sounds drift up: a peal of throaty laughter; a burst of her new single; and the noise of a vacuum cleaner. Is she catching up on housework, geed up by one of her own songs on the stereo and skipping round, Dyson in hand? Unlikely, but it’s an appealing image.


In the hall where I wait, a painting by the 17th-century Dutch baroque artist Gerrit Dou hangs on one of the walls, which are covered with blue brushed velvet. On another wall, a pair of circular canvases show a troupe of pierrots, rope-dancing. Scented Christian Dior candles fill the air in a space so dimly lit, it seems both slightly theatrical and quasi-religious. A huge telephone with multiple extensions bears labels such as M study, M dressing room, M bathroom, Laundry, Music Room, Kitchen, Mews. The picture is one of great wealth combined with logistical and organisational rigour. Discipline, control, precision. “And that’s the definition of me?” Madonna says later, finishing my out-loud train of thought. “Yeah, but I don’t even think, when people write that, that they really believe it. I just think people are tapping into a zeitgeist and repeating things they’ve heard other people say; and it makes good copy.”


Our encounter finally gets under way in Madonna’s study, an all-grey room with a Frida Kahlo painting above the huge art-deco desk, glass shelves bearing art books and family photographs, and two semi-facing armchairs, on which we sit. In the flesh, in black trousers and a sleeveless shirt, the 51-year-old is tiny, even in heels, and pretty, her face somehow more animated and readable than you expect, her features forming into butter-wouldn’t-melt or knowingly ironic expressions as she talks. Her accent is noticeably clipped, with a Queen’s English clarity, a result of the amount of time she began to spend in this country following her marriage to Guy Ritchie. For a good 10 minutes, her discomfort is visible, a hand covering her face as she answers. And when, during this initial awkwardness, I lean into the space between us to emphasise a point, I sense without any room for doubt that I have crossed an invisible line.


You begin to understand why people are so in awe of her: you wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of one of her frosty glares. Does that mean, I ask at one point, that we have stopped treating her as a mere mortal? “A lot of people are just really confused by me,” she says. “They don’t know what to think of me, so they try to compartmentalise me or diminish me. Maybe they just feel unsafe. But any time you have an overtly emotional or irrational, negative reaction to something, you’re fearing something that it’s bringing up in you.” She pauses and looks over at Rosenberg. “Let’s all call our shrinks right now and have that discussion. Liz?”


When, last year, an American magazine writer profiled Madonna and wrote “Think back on her career. It’s not songs you remember, or not primarily”, you knew what he meant. Videos, film roles, marriages, haircuts, children, charity work: all carry visual freight that has often seemed to overshadow Madonna’s original claim to fame. But doesn’t Celebration, I suggest, indicate that the songs figured in there somewhere, too? That writer, Rosenberg barks suddenly from behind the desk, “is an arsehole”. “Those are harsh words,” Madonna chides, unable to suppress a laugh. “I don’t know, I guess it depends on what side of the fence you’re on. Some people don’t appreciate my music, so they’re not going to think of me as a musician or songwriter. They like to think of me as a sort of cultural phenomenon.” So people listen to her songs and react visually, more than emotionally or musically? “Right — ‘That’s when she had the cone bra on’, ‘That’s the burning-crosses song’. That kind of stuff. I suppose that’s partly my fault.” And when we sift through the milestones of her career, we look for, what? Motivation, irony? “Manipulation, provocation,” she says.


Another commentator wrote that Madonna’s “ability to absorb and incorporate knowledge keeps her one step ahead”. Certainly, her instincts about music, fashion and future cultural trends have proved uncanny. But doesn’t this concentration on her skill for assimilation overlook what she herself does with that knowledge? “Well, yeah,” she replies. “We can all take in information. It’s how we regurgitate it that makes us different. Right?” And might concentrating on the absorption remove her own subsequent input from the equation? “Well, it’s an undermining thing to do, isn’t it?” She laughs. “Isn’t that the point of the exercise?”
I ask her about her early days in New York in the late 1970s, where she arrived, penniless and a university dropout, to pursue a career as a dancer. And where she earned a reputation as a stop-at-nothing, man*ipulative, sexually promiscuous wannabe, discarding managers, bandmates and boyfriends on a whim.


Five years of hard graft, thrift, ruthlessness and opportunism paid off when she signed a record contract in 1982. But they also marked her, indelibly, as an artist; indeed, from the way she talks about the period, you get the sense that, no matter the rumoured £300m fortune, the art collection, the toy boy, the record-breaking tours (her most recent, Sticky & Sweet, grossed a staggering $408m), there is a part of Madonna that is still motivated by the cross-fertilisation and experimentalism of early-1980s New York.


Physically, she left it long ago. Artistically, she’s still there, in her own imagination at least: zooming around taking on influences and collaborators, draining them dry, moving on, a cultural magpie. The budgets, and the headlines, have got bigger; the spirit, she argues, remains. “The city will never be the same,” she says. “It was an amazing time, an amazing convergence of pop culture and art. To think I used to have dinner on a regular basis with Andy Warhol and Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring. That was like an everyday thing. It was a much more informative part of my life than most of the parts people choose to focus on. I got to do gigs at places like CBGB before I got put underneath the microscope, and that was helpful to me, as an artist, and also to give me a sense of confidence about myself — regardless of the subsequent beatings I would take.”


Madonna contra mundum? It’s a condition you find in many artists, a willed psychological state that pumps them up before they rescale the heights with each successive album or tour. The affirmation of album sales — Madonna is the most successful female recording artist of all time — cannot shake such people from a sense of victimhood, of being misunderstood or under*appreciated. Possibly, this is rooted in the belief that what they create is ineffably trivial. That might explain why some, especially the intellectually curious (or insecure), dabble in a multitude of other arts disciplines or gather around them the appurtenances of cultural refinement and significance. (How revealing, after all, is that “I did go to a university for a year, as shocking as that might sound to people”?)


Madonna is surely better placed than most to resist such doubts. Her recent releases may have been patchy — you’d need to go back to 1998, and Ray of Light, to find her last bona-fide classic — but Celebration offers indisputable affirmation of her pop genius. Vogue, Cherish, Into the Groove, Borderline, Like a Prayer, Material Girl, Frozen: the hits rattle by, potent reminders of what we — and Madonna, too — have lost by drowning in the froth of celebrity, rather than being swept along by the music. “The song comes first,” Madonna agrees. “And all of those other things that people remember, the imagistic things, are secondary, or certainly not as important.” She wants us, she implies, to get back to the music. But surely she doesn’t care, by now, what people think? “I do too,” she zaps back. “But I think I’ve become pretty good at sussing out when people’s opinions of my work are coming from what they think of me personally. You just have to do your thing and then let it go out into the world. The rest, you’re not in control. So there goes that theory that I’m a control freak. I can make all the music, do all the shows that I want, make all the films I want, but I can’t control people’s reactions — at all. They’re going to think what they want to think, and feel what they want to feel. I can only control myself — and sometimes I can’t do that very well.” Her reputation for ruthlessness is, she argues, confused with simple self-discipline, although she concedes: “Sometimes I will stop at nothing.”


Again, it was New York that finetooled that drive into the unstoppable force it still is today. “That was when I knew,” she says, “that that’s what I was going to do — be a singer and a songwriter and an entertainer, and I don’t care if I have to starve, and live in a room with five guys, and wash in a sink; this is what I’m going to do. And because I lived a pretty dismal life and I didn’t care, well, if you’re living a dismal life and you don’t care and you’re enjoying it, then that must be proof that you’ve committed to something.”


The 36 songs on Celebration document the succession of skilfully selected producers and writers — John “Jellybean” Benitez, Steve Bray, Pat Leonard, William Orbit, Mirwais, Stuart Price — Madonna has worked with during her career. Other collaborations — with Prince, with Michael Jackson — either went off like a damp squib or failed entirely. Of the Jackson collaboration, she says: “We spent a chunk of time together, and became friends, but it never happened. I wrote a bunch of words and presented them to him, and he didn’t want to go there. He didn’t want to be provocative. And I said, ‘Well, why come to me?’ I mean, that’s like asking Quentin Tarantino to not put any violence in his films. I felt like he was too inhibited, too shy. Well, I’m shy too. When you’re writing with somebody, you immediately become shy, because, unless you’re already good friends, you can’t be honest and say, ‘That’s the shittest thing I’ve ever heard.’ You’re afraid to say that you don’t like something because you don’t want to hurt their feelings, or you’re afraid your ideas are shit; and if you reveal those cards, they’re not going to want to work with you.” Surely any musician in the world, I think, would kill to work with her. But of course that’s not the point. Madonna needs to want to work with them. It’s never the other way around.


“The first thing that came into my head,” she continues, referring now to Jackson’s death, “was the word ‘abandoned’. I feel like we all abandoned him and put him in a box and labelled him as a strange person. And it used to pain me to see people go write such horrible things about him, accuse him of being a child molester, and all these things that nobody had any proof of — because, you know, I’ve had plenty of things I’ve been accused of. When I adopted David, I was accused of kidnapping him, for God’s sakes; and it’s very hurtful, and people love to jump on bandwagons. The lynch-mob mentality is pretty scary.”


As Madonna said in her tribute to Jackson at last week’s MTV awards, she lost her mother at six, and he lost his childhood. Both engaged in a long search for something to fill those gaps. Madonna is still looking, but alive. Something armoured her on that journey that was missing in Jackson. What advice would she give to her 24-year-old self, about to release her first single and blast into the limelight? “Don’t take it personally,” she answers without a pause.


Listening back to the tape later, I’m struck by how un-uptight she sounds, but also how tired. Perhaps that’s because she still had a few shows left before her world tour finally wound up. But there is, in her voice, the beginning of a sense of weariness, even as she recites self-motivating mantras such as: “I’m still curious and still hungry. I want more knowledge, I want more information, I want more experience.” Her enthusiasm for London, for music, for success, is both audible and visible, especially when she laughs, which she does often. But there are moments when you can’t help but wonder if she doesn’t dream of jumping off the carousel. And, however circumscribed the line of questioning, it is nothing like as controlled as Madonna’s candour, which seems nonetheless designed to brook neither argument nor deeper inquiry. She is open to an extent, but determinedly crease-free.


A growl from Rosenberg indicates that my time is up. And with that, Madonna looks at the watch hanging from a chain around her neck, rises from her chair and says, “Ooh, bathtime.” And is gone. Off to a room that doubtless has its own telephone extension. In a pristine household where everything runs (almost) like clockwork. You look back at the career Celebration marks, at how much could have gone so horribly wrong, and suddenly that craving for order, for security, for predictability, begins to make a lot of sense. Perhaps that’s what it’s all been about, at heart. “Pain, suffering,” she called it. At a young age, Madonna resolved not to experience that again. How much of her has succeeded in that avoidance strategy, only she can know. But that’s probably the only percentage that counts.


Celebration is released tomorrow on Warners.
 
michael is dead D.E.A.D. dead! we have the right to be angry, pissed, irritated, bitter whatever we want, he's dead now. they made him suffer endlessly when he was live and no one was there for him when and now he's dead, and they all feel sorry aww...they can fuck off with their respect now. michael is lying in a grave now how's anything going to make me feel better?
as for the comments on madonna - let's not even go there. they're not even half as hateful and disgusting as the comments you find on madonna forums about MJ, I hope she's proud of her fans.

There is no excuse for talking trash and making up lies about someone else regardless that we lost our King.
 
michael is dead D.E.A.D. dead! we have the right to be angry, pissed, irritated, bitter whatever we want, he's dead now. they made him suffer endlessly when he was live and no one was there for him when and now he's dead, and they all feel sorry aww...they can fuck off with their respect now. michael is lying in a grave now how's anything going to make me feel better?
as for the comments on madonna - let's not even go there. they're not even half as hateful and disgusting as the comments you find on madonna forums about MJ, I hope she's proud of her fans.

:clapping:

And I find it interesting how Latoya is putting Joe in positive light now that MJ's dead. She want some of the cheese!
 
I think fans are rediculous sometimes... love is love. People are people and people make mistakes. ALOT of people abandoned MJ and this is what we waited for, the world to accept his greatness and their weakness. Too sad MJ died for this to occur, but it is what it is. Lord, grant you the strength to accept the things you cannot change.
 
What was she meant to say then? Seriously. I dont like Madonna's music, her whole image machine BUT at least she admitted what no one else would.

She took responsibility for her actions and said the most truthful thing the industy could say - that they abandoned him.

And you know what. It isn't good enough.
But nothing will ever BE good enough. Michael has passed.

It's hurts and it's not fair but it's the reality. All that matters is what is done and said NOW (whether it be putting all the assholes who led him to death away or the people who abandoned him admitting their wrong). And no, it isn't a consolation, well not much of one anyway. But what happens NOW is what matters.
 
I was so happy when she said what she did. Normally I love Joy Behar but I think her opinion was way off when it came to the speech/Madonna.
 
Please, instead of people being coy about their dislike for Madonna, please provide links or interviews or articles of where Madonna bashes Michael. Of all the comments that are tagged with Michael and Madonna on youtube, I've not seen one where she was overtly negative or overtly positive, but to me they are not negative comments. I just want to see solid proof that Madonna bashed Michael to validate why some people don't like her.

But then again interviews and print articles can be manipulated through soundbites, editing, a journalist's voiced over opinion, etc. We certainly experienced that with Michael.

I am indifferent to Madonna, but I do respect the speech she made about Michael. I don't know who approached who to do that, but Madonna said it was important for her to say something about Michael and that she wanted to have a proper 'goodbye' to him, which she viewed this speech as. I think MTV wanted to get someone very influential to speak a few words about Michael, as well as, a peer. They might have thought Whitney, also. But then we'd all think she was doing it to promote her album because MJ fans seem to be suspicious of everyone.

I've always known that Madonna is a calculated business woman, as well. But what has she really to gain by expressing her thoughts and memories about Michael? She is sort of divided the MJ fans because of her how she organized her speech. She admitted that she wasn't there for him when he was alive and called out the whole world along with herself. They are the same age also. She could have been thinking about her own mortality, as well, which made her sensitive.


IDK, just give me tangible evidence to dislike her as an MJ fan. Plus, honestly i did not pay much attention to rivalry and all that stuff in the past because the media makes stuff up and twists things. Plus, PR is not always factual.
 
Please, instead of people being coy about their dislike for Madonna, please provide links or interviews or articles of where Madonna bashes Michael. Of all the comments that are tagged with Michael and Madonna on youtube, I've not seen one where she was overtly negative or overtly positive, but to me they are not negative comments. I just want to see solid proof that Madonna bashed Michael to validate why some people don't like her.

But then again interviews and print articles can be manipulated through soundbites, editing, a journalist's voiced over opinion, etc. We certainly experienced that with Michael.

I am indifferent to Madonna, but I do respect the speech she made about Michael. I don't know who approached who to do that, but Madonna said it was important for her to say something about Michael and that she wanted to have a proper 'goodbye' to him, which she viewed this speech as. I think MTV wanted to get someone very influential to speak a few words about Michael, as well as, a peer. They might have thought Whitney, also. But then we'd all think she was doing it to promote her album because MJ fans seem to be suspicious of everyone.

I've always known that Madonna is a calculated business woman, as well. But what has she really to gain by expressing her thoughts and memories about Michael? She is sort of divided the MJ fans because of her how she organized her speech. She admitted that she wasn't there for him when he was alive and called out the whole world along with herself. They are the same age also. She could have been thinking about her own mortality, as well, which made her sensitive.


IDK, just give me tangible evidence to dislike her as an MJ fan. Plus, honestly i did not pay much attention to rivalry and all that stuff in the past because the media makes stuff up and twists things. Plus, PR is not always factual.

Thank you! Bravo! Finally, someone is being sensible. :clapping:
 
Thank you! Bravo! Finally, someone is being sensible. :clapping:

Don't forget to say that in Madonna's fan forums. Madge's fans are so blind with jealously that they treat Michael like a dog. They are so nasty and blind. Jeez.
 
I really feel that Madonna's fans are unfairly misrepresented here at times. You lump us all together and make us sound sub-human. Not everyone loves MJ but there's really nothing wrong with that. Same goes for Madonna. We're all human and as both MJ and Madonna have said, "it's human nature". There's not a single fan base that is innocent of such accusations. It goes across the board. While unfortunate, it's how it Is from my experience and I do feel I have unique insight as a fan of both.
 
Thank you Katie!

Madonna is a talentless liar. She never gave a damn about Michael. Like I said she knows why they stopped being friends. I've been a fan for way to long to sit here and take wat Madonna says as her being sincere. She is a joke and just wants attention. She jumped on the Jackson band wagon like everyone else did. In 93 she was callin Mike a fag and everything else. Like her if you want to, but she showed her ass and true colors.

Proof? :rollin: Madonnas fans are just like her. Nasty, Blind, and everything else you guys said about them. Thats exactly how and who she is. I don't like her, never have never will. She's fake, and fake as people tend to feel guilty and get on the VMA's and lie about shit and act like they gave a damn about Michael. PLEASE give me a break. Here is some proof...as much as I can give you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP1RqRES-ys
 
Thank you Katie!

Madonna is a talentless liar. She never gave a damn about Michael. Like I said she knows why they stopped being friends. I've been a fan for way to long to sit here and take wat Madonna says as her being sincere. She is a joke and just wants attention. She jumped on the Jackson band wagon like everyone else did. In 93 she was callin Mike a fag and everything else. Like her if you want to, but she showed her ass and true colors.

Proof? :rollin: Madonnas fans are just like her. Nasty, Blind, and everything else you guys said about them. Thats exactly how and who she is. I don't like her, never have never will. She's fake, and fake as people tend to feel guilty and get on the VMA's and lie about shit and act like they gave a damn about Michael. PLEASE give me a break. Here is some proof...as much as I can give you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP1RqRES-ys

You are right. I have been a die-hard of Michael Jacksons since the age of 5. I am 41 years old now. I do remember in the 80's she told the press he wears more makeup than I do. That he was gay. I'm still trying to research those articles. Also, I did find an article when that went to dinner after the Oscars and she left MJ to go sit on Warren Beaty's lap and he was feeling her up. Her nickname for Warren Beaty that night was pu***. So, Michael said what the hell and started hugging Diana Ross. I think I saved part of that article. I will try to post it. I'm not being biased, because I was a Madonna fan, but I am about the truth. I will continue to research it for you.
 
People always want to dismiss what Michael says.
He said he had vitiligo====no one believed him.
He told Oprah he dated Brooke Shields====no one believed him.
In 1993 he admitted to having a dependency on Prescription Med==no believed him at the time. They thought he was trying to avoid allegations.
Many of the things he willingly told us turned out to be true. So why not believe about Madonna. He knew something we did not know, and was a gentleman not to expose it all.
 
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