Michael and Lisa Marie Discussion (Positive Thread)

[HIStory]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^ Those photos are from the Jackson Family Honors, right? When was it exactly?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^ Yes, the show aired in February 1994 but I don't know when it was recorded.

 

[Silouette]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Thank you Tal.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

He loved shorties (see 2000 Watts). Thinking about this, maybe I could have had a chance as I'm not much taller than Lisa

Me too, I'm only 5'1"". Hmm, maybe he would have liked that

 

[FullLipsDotNose]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Me too, I'm only 5'1"". Hmm, maybe he would have liked that

Really? I'm 5'2"

OK, I'm actually smaller than Lisa lol.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Really? I'm 5'2"

OK, I'm actually smaller than Lisa lol.

It's fun trying to find that jeans that aren't a mile too long isn't it?

 

[barbee0715]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Me too, I'm only 5'1"". Hmm, maybe he would have liked that

I'm 5'1" too, although I lie and say I'm 5'2". It's funny that all short, tiny women are thinking "we might have had a chance." LOL.

 

[FullLipsDotNose]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

It's fun trying to find that jeans that aren't a mile too long isn't it?

I always go to children's section

There's a thread by me where I moan about looking much younger, actually underage, so thinking about it now, MJ would have perhaps treated me as a child, not a potential girlfriend lol.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I always go to children's section

There's a thread by me where I moan about looking much younger, actually underage, so thinking about it now, MJ would have perhaps treated me as a child, not a potential girlfriend lol.

I have the same issue, I have very pale skin and people often mistake me for being about 10 years younger than I actually am. Once people find out how old you actualy are they're more likely to treat you more seriously. Well, sometimes. Unfortunately I've found that looking younger than I am and being a woman result in people not taking me seriously. Does that happen to you too?

 

[ChrisC]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

It's funny when you look through pics like these, you are really reminded of Michael's humanity - were it needed. And I think, how revelatory this would be to the public at large.

Also, seeing the abundance of pictures of them after the divorce reminds me of how the media were desperate to pedal the sham story because it fit the agenda - Lisa was often cropped out a lot of published pictures and so many journalists simply ignored that she was even present.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

It's funny when you look through pics like these, you are really reminded of Michael's humanity - were it needed. And I think, how revelatory this would be to the public at large.

Also, seeing the abundance of pictures of them after the divorce reminds me of how the media were desperate to pedal the sham story because it fit the agenda - Lisa was often cropped out a lot of published pictures and so many journalists simply ignored that she was even present.

I think the media was/is not interested in showing MJ as a heterosexual male. It doesn't serve their agenda. Lisa's presence in Michael's life after their divorce obviously doesn't fit the 'sham' theory so they mostly ignore it. You would think the media would go overboard with the smallest proof of some kind of affair between two famous people especially when one of them is married (Lisa 1993-94, Michael in 1997-99) but for some reason they didn't.

 

[dewey]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Jackson Family Honors - February 1994

What an absolutely gorgeous photo of them both.

And, I agree with you, Tal, about the media not wanting to portray him as a heterosexual male.

I've always thought more about LMP's age...since I'm just a year younger than she, maybe...maybe I would've caught his eye. :lol:

 

[HIStory]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I think the media was/is not interested in showing MJ as a heterosexual male. It doesn't serve their agenda. Lisa's presence in Michael's life after their divorce obviously doesn't fit the 'sham' theory so they mostly ignore it. You would think the media would go overboard with the smallest proof of some kind of affair between two famous people especially when one of them is married (Lisa 1993-94, Michael in 1997-99) but for some reason they didn't.

The interesting thing is that even in the hindsight they ignore it. I mean the media still talks of their relationship as if it ended when Lisa filed for divorce.

 

[ChrisC]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

The interesting thing is that even in the hindsight they ignore it. I mean the media still talks of their relationship as if it ended when Lisa filed for divorce.

And I too thought that was the case until many years later.

 

[ChrisC]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

You would think the media would go overboard with the smallest proof of some kind of affair between two famous people especially when one of them is married (Lisa 1993-94, Michael in 1997-99) but for some reason they didn't.

^This.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

The interesting thing is that even in the hindsight they ignore it. I mean the media still talks of their relationship as if it ended when Lisa filed for divorce.

Absolutely. I think they're still not interested in showing MJ as someone who had a 'normal' relationship with women. I think the post-divorce relationship Michael had with Lisa doesn't fit their sham marriage story and that's why they ignore it.

 

[HIStory]

I just saw this article yesterday. Interesting if true.

How Lisa Marie Presley became Scientology leader David Miscavige’s worst nightmare



For more than a year, the Underground Bunker has been speaking with sources close to Lisa Marie Presley who tell us that the daughter of Elvis Presley has not only turned against Scientology leader David Miscavige, but has taken steps to coordinate actions designed to cripple Miscavige’s rule.


Lisa Marie is using her media savvy and connections with other celebrities and other important figures inside Scientology to release explosive revelations about Miscavige, while keeping her own role quiet. The result, so far, has been the skillfully timed release of media stories that have damaged Miscavige at the same time that Scientology is in a long term decline.


In Lisa Marie Presley, David Miscavige has cultivated a powerful enemy. And in this story, we explain how things got to that point.


Yesterday, we described how David Miscavige’s family has been ripped apart by Scientology’s toxic policy of “disconnection,” which has left David and his twin sister, Denise Gentile, cut off from other members of the family, including their father, Ron Miscavige.


On May 3, Ron will release a memoir titled Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me. On April 29, he will be interviewed by ABC’s Dan Harris as part of a full hour 20/20 is dedicating to Scientology. The book and interview come as the result of series of events that began with Ron’s escape from Scientology’s International Base near Hemet, California in March 2012.


Ron had been a Scientologist for about 40 years, and was a well liked and popular member as the Sea Org’s musical director. But by 2012, he could no longer take the deprivations of Sea Org life under his dictatorial son, and with his wife Becky Bigelow, he “blew” from the base, as Scientologists say. We’re looking forward to reading in his book just how he managed that escape.


Over the next two years, Ron and Becky worked to re-adapt to life outside the Sea Org. They lived for a while with Ron’s son Ronnie Jr. in Virginia. Then they moved to Wisconsin to be near Becky’s family. And it was there, in 2013, that the West Allis, Wisconsin police department contacted Ron about a strange arrest they had made. A father and son private investigator team, Dwayne and Daniel Powell, had been found to be carrying a massive arsenal of weapons and ammunition that included an illegal homemade silencer. Facing ten years in federal prison, Dwayne Powell and his son spilled their guts to police in taped interviews. They admitted that they were being paid $10,000 a week to follow Ron on behalf of his son, David Miscavige, and the Church of Scientology.


At one point, they say in the interviews, they saw Ron clutch at his chest and thought he might be having a heart attack. When they called for instructions, they said David Miscavige himself got on the line and told them to do nothing. “If he dies, he dies,” Miscavige told them, according to the Powells.


Stunned by the news, Ron obtained copies of the recorded interviews. Meanwhile, as we detailed in yesterday’s story, the Miscavige family in Florida was being torn asunder. Denise and her sister Lori were being told to cut off all ties with Denise’s ex-husband, Robert Covington, and his family. And at the same time, they were drawing away from their father Ron.


Ron reached out to Robert Covington and his wife, Heather, who told us that in September 2014, Ron said he was coming to Florida and asked to stay with them. During that visit, Ron revealed to them that armed private investigators had been arrested who admitted that they were following him on his son’s orders. Heather tells us that Ron played the tapes for them, and said that he wanted his daughters, Denise and Lori, to hear them. He wanted them to understand that it was David Miscavige who was ripping their family apart.


But when Ron went to Denise’s house, she refused to see him. He returned to the Covington house, where a barbecue was going on.


Heather says Ron told them, “You know what? I’m going to write that book.”
And then, that same evening, Ron made a phone call.


It was to Lisa Marie Presley.


Heather heard it clearly, because Ron had Lisa Marie on speaker phone as they talked, and Heather says she and her husband were able to hear what they were talking about.
Lisa Marie was furious at what Ron told her about being turned away by his daughter Denise.
Our sources who are close to Lisa Marie tell us that she is a strongly family-oriented person, and highly values family loyalty. It stunned her, they tell us, that Ron Miscavige would be told that his own daughters never wanted to talk to him again, and that David Miscavige had paid for private investigators to follow his own father.


They also tell us that Lisa Marie was prepared to believe what Ron was saying because of her own investigations into what ailed the Church of Scientology.


Lisa Marie Presley was nine years old when her father Elvis Presley died on August 16, 1977. Her mother, Priscilla, had divorced Elvis in 1973. Last year, Spanky Taylor told us that Priscilla reached out to John Travolta after Elvis’s death, telling him that among her ex-husband’s possessions she had found some Scientology books, and was curious about them. Travolta sent Spanky, who had worked for him in the past, to meet with Priscilla. It was then, Spanky tells us, that she got Priscilla into Scientology, and Priscilla in turn brought her daughter up in the church.


But Lisa Marie’s doubts about the organization have been growing for years. In April 2012, just a month after Ron Miscavige and Becky Bigelow escaped from Int Base, Lisa Marie released a single that contained lyrics which, to us, suggested she was pushing Scientology away. She followed that up a month later with an album that contained lyrics that seemed unambiguous, and she gave interviews during which she talked about getting rid of people she called “nuts” from her life.


Our sources now tell us we were right about those assessments — Lisa Marie had begun pulling away from Scientology as early as 2008, and meticulously gathered information about the organization. But even after she had all but announced her defection in her 2012 album, Storm & Grace, Lisa Marie still considered herself a Scientologist and believed that David Miscavige was a friend.




This isn’t unusual for Scientologists, who often go through several stages of withdrawing from the Church of Scientology and from the subject itself. But as 2012 unfolded, Lisa Marie’s disaffection deepened.
She talked to Ron Miscavige and other people who had left Int Base, asking for stories about what it was like there, and for confirmation that “The Hole” actually existed. She did other research as well, learning the kinds of things about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology that church members are supposed to assiduously avoid.
(Our sources tell us that the tabloid rumors last year that Lisa Marie has been attempting to help Tom Cruise leave Scientology are false. Cruise is as dedicated to the church as ever, and Lisa Marie, our sources say, has no interest in trying to change his mind about that.)


As she continued her project, Lisa Marie then reached out to her mother, Priscilla Presley, and her daughter, Riley Keough, telling them she needed their support. If she decided to leave the church, they needed to come with her.


And after talking with Ron Miscavige in September 2014 about his own daughters disconnecting from him, Lisa Marie was ready, after all of her research, for a showdown with David Miscavige.


The next month, in October 2014, Lisa Marie traveled to Scientology’s “spiritual mecca,” the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida, having notified Flag officials that she wanted to meet with Miscavige.


When she arrived at the offices of the Religious Technology Center, where Miscavige is chairman of the board (and known as “COB” to Scientologists), the church leader wasn’t there.
Instead, our sources tell us, Lisa Marie was confronted by Ron Miscavige’s daughters, Denise Gentile and Lori Verneuille, who tried to convince her that Ron and his son, Ronnie Jr., had been abusive to them.


Lisa Marie was disgusted by the encounter, we’re told. And she left the base no longer considering herself a Scientologist.


But if David Miscavige thought Lisa Marie would go away quietly, he was badly mistaken.
One of the things Ron Miscavige discussed with her was that his book would reveal the shocking news that he’d been tailed by the private investigators arrested by the West Allis Police Department in 2013.


But Lisa Marie told Ron that wasn’t going to work. She explained that revealing that information in a book with Ron’s name on it would allow Miscavige and the church to claim that it was a biased attack by an interested party.


It turned out that Lisa Marie had other plans for that information.
Our sources tell us that she hired an attorney in Los Angeles, someone who specialized in the media. That attorney obtained copies of the police interviews and police reports from the 2013 arrest. And then, the attorney strategically fed that material to three media organizations.


For print, the Los Angeles Times, for online, TMZ, and for television, NBC.
It was a savvy move by Lisa Marie. TMZ had been Scientology’s lapdog for several years, doing the church favors when it wanted to slime a former member, or ignoring Leah Remini’s defection from the church in 2013, for example.


The Los Angeles Times, meanwhile, had done legendary work exposing Scientology in the 1990s, and even as late as 2005 it did a major piece on David Miscavige and the Int Base. But since then, the newspaper has shown almost no curiosity about the church’s controversies in its own backyard. The L.A. Times has still, for example, not written anything about the Los Angeles billboard about Scientology disconnection that has garnered so much interest by other news organizations around the world.


But this material, dropped in their laps by Lisa Marie’s attorney, was impossible to ignore. And each of them did strong pieces that showed up on April 8 last year, and were picked up everywhere. It may have been David Miscavige’s most damaging news all year.
It was Lisa Marie Presley who made the decision that the story about the private investigators should show up in these mainstream outlets before it appeared in Ron Miscavige’s book.


And our sources tell us she has more planned.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/04/21/ho...re/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^ If that's true, she wasn't kidding with "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet"

I hope they get what they deserve. I don't think MJ liked these guys.

 

[LindavG]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

 

[HIStory]

So Ron Miscavige's book came out today and it apparently confirms that has been rumoured so far about Lisa and her leaving of the church as it makes mention of her involvement of Ron Miscavige coming out with this book.

Ron Miscavige learned in October 2014 that his two daughters, Denise Gentile and Lori Verneuille, had cut him out of their lives permanently on orders from their brother David Miscavige, Scientology’s supreme leader. After Ron confirmed with his son-in-law that Denise (who is David’s twin) never again wanted to see him, he called Lisa Marie Presley.

The famous singer, daughter of Elvis Presley, had grown up in Scientology, but since about 2008 she’d been pulling away from the organization. She had also been talking to Ron about what he was going through since he escaped from Scientology’s International Base near Hemet, California, in 2012.


Lisa Marie was so incensed by what Ron told her about his daughters “disconnecting” from him in the Scientology way, she attempted to have a showdown of her own with David Miscavige at his Florida office. But instead of meeting with her, Miscavige sent Denise and Lori in his stead, and they proceeded to scream at Lisa Marie in an unhinged rant, making accusations about their father Ron and brother Ronnie Jr. in a bizarre scene.


“Lisa Marie’s husband told me afterward that watching Denise do her thing was like seeing Dave with a wig on blowing a gasket,” Ron writes, and he goes on to say that it was this episode, his disconnection from his daughters, that ultimately motivated him to write his book.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/05/02/ro...rie-presleys-wild-defection-scene-in-florida/

Here is an interview with Tony Ortega, author of the above blog and he talks about LMP's involvement from about 27:00.

[video=youtube;-8leThywjbw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8leThywjbw[/video]

 

[HIStory]

I'll post this from Brad Sundberg's recent Q&A here as well:

In The Studio With Michael Jackson Daria Korablina Brad, I'm really sorry, but I wanna ask one more question Were there times when Lisa came into the studio to spend time with Michael? What did they do together? Maybe Lisa gave some advises to Michael or she never was interested in the recording process? - A - No need for sorry! Lisa was awesome, very funny, very comfortable and very much into Michael. They laughed and called each other silly names, like a pair of Jr. Highers. She didn't really contribute to the recording process, she just sat on his lap... so maybe in some ways she did. : )

Diana Riverjackson I want to know what kind of pranks he pulled on people and what was the most emotional recording he ever did?

A - Pranks. The “standard” pranks would be putting candy all over Buxer’s keyboard, or on the console in front of Bruce. He was very respectful of the studios and all the gear, so he never got too crazy. That said, we had a bunch of paparazzi hanging around Hit Factory soon after he married Lisa Marie in ’94, and he sent out for a bunch of water balloons and start chucking them out of the 6th floor window at them. When NYPD showed up I “encouraged” Michael that it might be a good time to stop and get back into his lounge.

https://www.facebook.com/inthestudi...8278317346071/557253567781875/?type=3&theater

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^ Thanks respect for sharing!

A - No need for sorry! Lisa was awesome, very funny, very comfortable and very much into Michael. They laughed and called each other silly names, like a pair of Jr. Highers. She didn't really contribute to the recording process, she just sat on his lap... so maybe in some ways she did. : )

So cute! I'm so green with envy :girl_sigh: :lol:

There were few of other producers/musician that talked about them during the HIStory sessions. I need to look them up.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^^I loved that myself. I could picture it too-those old pangs of jealousy came up for a minute.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Can you imagine MJ just sitting there in the studio with his wife on his lap while working? he's such a boss :lol:

 

[barbee0715]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Can you imagine MJ just sitting there in the studio with his wife on his lap while working? he's such a boss :lol:

HAHAHAHA!!! The way you said that-I got this great mental image that I couldn't get out of my head all night-I've been privately amusing myself with this image all evening- can just see Michael sitting with his legs slightly open like he did in the BAD Ebony interview-with Lisa cuddled up in his lap-behind the mixing booth while everyone else including Bruce is working their butts off.:hysterical:



Or like how he was sitting so casually at the Academy Awards after party with Diana just plunked in his lap-talking to Whoopi. Just mentally change Diana out for Lisa.


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[HIStory]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Or like how he was sitting so casually at the Academy Awards after party with Diana just plunked in his lap-talking to Whoopi. Just mentally change Diana out for Lisa.


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I remember reading the reports about that after party and one mentioned how Michael and Madonna arrived together but they never spent a minute together at the after party. Madonna went to sit with Warren Beatty and Michael went to sit with Diana. And the article mentioned Diana sitting on his lap all night. And I was pretty sceptical at the time, then I saw this pic. LOL.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

^^lol. It's good to be King.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

Yeah LOL and Diana is so loving his attention.

The way he sits on Ebony though :wild:

 

[Lil]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

can just see Michael sitting with his legs slightly open like he did in the BAD Ebony interview-with Lisa cuddled up in his lap

Oh gosh, Ebony.. I can definitely picture that - but when I do it isn't Lisa on his lap

The way he sits on Ebony though :wild:

I've always obsessed over this.. so effortlessly SEXY!

 

[dewey]

Re: Michael & Lisa Marie Pictures thread 1992-1998 (Hate is not welcome)

I've always wondered what Whoopi said to Diana and Michael in that pic up there. ^^^^

And that Ebony pic, sweet God Almighty. :girl_glasses: