Michael Jackson neverland is closing?

[friend]

Why is this being discussed? It's a Roger Friedman Article. Roger Friedman is banned from MJJC. Roger Friedman regularly enjoys invading Michael's privacy by discussing it we are endorcing it. Does it really matter if it's real or not?Michael will deal with his assets the way he so chooses too it isn't our business. Neverland is a place, a thing, a material building - the magic already left.

thank you ... i agree wholeheartedly. matter of respect

 

[Datsymay]

Why do you keep saying this to me after every post I make? I KNOW this is an open forum and I'm OPEN to say that this isn't something we should be concerned about. And people ARE tripping in THIS thread and ANOTHER thread where this exact same thing is being discussed.

People feel they are inside MJ's head and know exactly what he wants and do not want for this property and I say we have no business pretending that we do know what he wants.

I don't see anyone assuming anything here, all I see is people stating how they feel about the matter. Nobody is saying what MJ shoiuld do, all I hear is people wishing him well in whatever decisions he takes. Neverland was like a pilgimage for fans, so it is understandable if they show some sadness too.^_^

 

[MJJC Moderator]

Then we remove the Roger Friedman aspect of it.

Here are the facts:

I know it's coming from RF but there's a court document too.

You can also go to http://www.priorityposting.com and type '45778JW' as 'Trustee Sale number'. You'll see Neverland Ranch listed for auction.

So there you have it! Neverland is currently up for auction and it will proceed unless Michael stops the action. That is the truth whether we agree or not.

I am a moderator and have been reviewing this thread. Because Enrico (The Sr. Admin here) decided not to close it then I'll allow it to stay opened. I will remove the Roger Friedman links and remarks but the truth is the truth based off of court filings and the auction house.

 

[J5master]

I don't see anyone assuming anything here, all I see is people stating how they feel about the matter. Nobody is saying what MJ shoiuld do, all I hear is people wishing him well in whatever decisions he takes. Neverland was like a pilgimage for fans, so it is understandable if they show some sadness too.^_^

All I see is "Michael obviously wants..." and "Michael wants..." and "michael feels..."

And we don't know any of that. And there's no need to feel sadness if you guys don't assume that a decision has been reached or that you know what MJ's decision is.

So again I say, wait and see before we start having funerals for Neverland

And even if u BELIEVE Neverland is up for grabs....why is there sadness ANYWAYS, it's a PROPERTY...MJ can get ANOTHER ONE just as GOOD.

The only reason why u guys are sad is cuz YOU want the dang place, you want the sentimental value of "MICHAEL JACKSON".....but it's not about what WE want, it's about what MICHAEL wants and what he feels is best for HIM. And as long as he's carrying that out, then there's nothing to be sad about.

 

[StopTrippin]

So again I say, wait and see before we start having funerals for Neverland

I couldn't of said that any better myself. Don't bury something
before it's been announced gone, dead and or deceased.

 

[Momma Shannon]

THANK YOU. It's none of our business WHAT MJ decides to do with it anyways. So where are you moderators? LOL For real.

Mods are on the thread and truthfully it isn't out of control but yes it was left open because there is truth behind it.

Blah, it's his to do with as he pleases.

 

[Datsymay]

All I see is "Michael obviously wants..." and "Michael wants..." and "michael feels..."

And we don't know any of that. And there's no need to feel sadness if you guys don't assume that a decision has been reached or that you know what MJ's decision is.

So again I say, wait and see before we start having funerals for Neverland

Well, people will feel how they want to feel. That is just how it is. It is good that they have a forum to discus these things. But you don't have to participate if you don't want to.

 

[StopTrippin]

Participation is one thing and speculations are another.

 

[J5master]

Well, people will feel how they want to feel. That is just how it is. It is good that they have a forum to discus these things. But you don't have to participate if you don't want to.

So I can freely discuss why it's silly to be sad over something cuz that's how I feel, isn't that right?

So leave me alone.

 

[sunnyday81]

LOL! I agree. We can chant a few psalms and throw some flowers on the imaginary Neverland grave AFTER it happens! lol

 

[friend]

if anyone of us had a tabloid reporter keeping tabs on every missed payment, late notice, turn off notice, mark on a credit report, would we all be so supportive of others posting it up on the worldwide web and have people discuss it because there is some proof to it? so what?

not my forum, not my rules, not my call... but if we always think of ourselves as being respectful, and then go digging into his business this way regardless as to how um... unwelcome it may be on his part for us to do so... how can we honestly think of ourselves as respecting this man?

 

[Datsymay]

So I can freely discuss why it's silly to be sad over something cuz that's how I feel, isn't that right?

So leave me alone.

I think we should both leave each other alone.

 

[MJJC Moderator]

Friend you have a point. I'll leave a note for the admins to decide.

 

[Grand Master S]

Lol @ at this thread already being five pages and about to reach six. Wasn't it posted a couple hours ago? That's hilarious. I for one am not that interested in MJ's finances.

 

[J5master]

if anyone of us had a tabloid reporter keeping tabs on every missed payment, late notice, turn off notice, mark on a credit report, would we all be so supportive of others posting it up on the worldwide web and have people discuss it because there is some proof to it? so what?

not my forum, not my rules, not my call... but if we always think of ourselves as being respectful, and then go digging into his business this way regardless as to how um... unwelcome it may be on his part for us to do so... how can we honestly think of ourselves as respecting this man?

Bingo.

That's what I'M sayin.

 

[malfmj]

Please, let me ask something...
aRE these things written here all true?
I mean, these documents and news about NL is true?
I really want what is better for him.
I just want to know facts, if you don't mind.
And please guys, be calm, let's wait and see and...

KEEP THE FAITH...

 

[wendy2004]

all the links for sources and so called verified documents are from foxnews? i thought RF was banned? but his bs is still up for discussion? i got an idea... since Michael's private life is supposedly not to be discussed (his children's fotos, his health, and other ambigous language "intrusive" discussion is off limits... why is one of his most private matters HIS money up for discussion? shouldn't it be off limits as well? respect to his privacy, isn't that one of the cornerstones of the forum? or not so when it comes to his finances? that's ok?

I wasn't aware all the links came from fuxnews, but I did notice there is a page missing!!! Everyone is so freaked out about the document that no one noticed the document jumps from page 2 to page 4. Where the hell is page 3? :mello: Let me guess, that page was omitted becuz it has names and possibly confidential info on it and possibly the options Michael has to cure the situation that don't include paying the full 25 mil. *sigh* I understand page one is probably nothing more than a cover sheet so that's easy to dismiss, but WHERE is precious page 3? I mean, if you're going to post a document and black out certain sections, post the WHOLE thing and continue to block out what's confidential? Hmmmm.....

Now, I've been reading up on California Civil Code regarding Defaults, Foreclosures and Notices of Sale and came across this little tidbit in section 2924g subsection (c) (1)

There may be a postponement or postponements of the sale
proceedings, including a postponement upon instruction by the
beneficiary to the trustee that the sale proceedings be postponed, at
any time prior to the completion of the sale for any period of time
not to exceed a total of 365 days from the date set forth in the
notice of sale. The trustee shall postpone the sale in accordance
with any of the following:
(A) Upon the order of any court of competent jurisdiction.
(B) If stayed by operation of law.
(C) By mutual agreement, whether oral or in writing, of any
trustor and any beneficiary or any mortgagor and any mortgagee.
(D) At the discretion of the trustee.

The portions in red are the most interesting. Nothing is final nor as urgent as it's being written up. This thing could drag out for another year at the discretion of the trustee. Just like the last official document that was misinterpreted by some hack, it's "possible" this one is being taken out of context as well. With a page missing, it's impossible to know what the real deal is, not that it's really any of our business. Yes, it's public record, but it's unfortunate that hacks are allowed to exploit public documents and even "fans" have started to beat the pinata that is MJ over this. Very unfortunate!

Why do you keep saying this to me after every post I make? I KNOW this is an open forum and I'm OPEN to say that this isn't something we should be concerned about. And people ARE tripping in THIS thread and ANOTHER thread where this exact same thing is being discussed.

People feel they are inside MJ's head and know exactly what he wants and do not want for this property and I say we have no business pretending that we do know what he wants.

I agree with you. I, for one, have decided not to comment on this subject further. I have a feeling it's best to just let it play out as there are some interesting ways in which it can go. March 19, 2008 is not too far off and one thing or another will happen. Maybe we should wait until such time to have a go at this since no amount of discussion is going to resolve the issue for Michael. Just an opinion. No one has to take it...which I'm sure no one will. Just thought I'd offer. :flowers:

Aaaand I'm out. Ta!


Oh, and disclaimer: I am NOT a lawyer. I just work for one and picked up a few tips in between getting yelled at.

 

[sundayroberts1]

Don,t believe it how many times can we hear this and believe the crap. Anyway why is it even our bussiness.

 

[sunnyday81]

This is from a post at Perez site by an estate agent, I still don't get it, lol!

"The way foreclosure works in California is that when the owner is at 90 days past due, the lender can file a notice of default against the owner. The lender can also wait past the 90 days to try to work out a plan, and they can wait whether it's a mansion or a small studio condo. If no plan is worked out or the owner is in communicado, then the notice of default is filed at the county administration building. Then a trustee's sale is scheduled for 5 weeks from the filing date. The owner retains control of the property up until that; it is illegal to lock him out of his house before the point where he doesn't own it. My guess as a real estate broker is that he's way past 90 days and that the default notice was filed long ago and there has already been a secret trustee's sale (with MJ's knowledge though, of course, but not the media's). Now it will just be the lender trying to auction off the house and contents that they already own."

 

[MJJC Moderator]

Thread is closed until further notice.

(CNN) -- Pop star Michael Jackson will avoid foreclosure on his Neverland Ranch property with a new loan, a Jackson insider told CNN Wednesday.
Michael Jackson owes millions of dollars on his sprawling property in the Santa Ynez Valley in California.

Documents show that Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos, California, is scheduled for a public auction on March 19 at Santa Barbara's downtown courthouse.
But the Jackson source said that won't happen.
"Michael Jackson's ranch is not going to be auctioned off at the courthouse," the Jackson insider said. "The financing is all being worked out."
"There are plenty of lenders willing to work with him. The real estate market is very bad right now and Jackson is being affected just like many other Americans," the source said.
The Santa Barbara County Recorder's Web site lists a "notice of trustees sale" by Jackson and his property lenders, Financial Title Company, filed Monday.
In California, title companies typically represent lenders in foreclosure cases.

A notice of trustees sale cannot be posted earlier than 90 days after a notice of default is filed. That notice is not filed unless a loan is in substantial default, sometimes six months or more past due.
A real estate source inside Santa Barbara County said the trustees filing is only the first step in a long process that could drag on for months.
The real estate source said other options are available to Jackson, including selling the ranch directly to another party or making a payment on his $24.5 million Neverland debt that would satisfy the trustee.
The recorder's Web site also reveals there was a release of lien on Jackson on February 4, showing he paid off all or part of delinquent taxes to the state of California.
"It seems unlikely that someone would pay off back taxes, only to let the ranch go up for auction a few weeks later," said the real estate source.
Jackson has not lived at Neverland since June 2005, after a Santa Barbara County jury found him not guilty of child molestation charges
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/27/jackson.foreclosure/?iref=hpmostpop