it doesn't bring anything to this argument. Okay let's all agree that Cascio is the crappiest lyricists out there. It doesn't affect us in any way in order to determine the vocals issues.
No, that's for sure, I agree. Let's also agree that this would however raise the question, would MJ accept to sing those lyrics at all, because they surely don't sound as demos, but rather as finished or semi-finished songs.
It's one of the few songs that MTV (I believe) officially "retired" and refuses to play anymore.
MTV? MTV has been all but a music channel for years now. Since they are broadcasting immature and completely awful programs such as Jackass. I am not surprised the guy recently died in a car accident after filming himself drinking before driving. After gathering a completely new type of audience, what do you expect from that audience? To watch videos such as Whatzupwitu?
Please don't tell me that MTV is any kind of reference to you regarding MJ's music or music in general. MTV used to be a music channel I enjoyed to watch, now it's a reality show I hate to even stumble across.
I do find Michael strikingly beautiful in the video and some portions make me laugh. Regardless it's not up to his quality and the general public agrees that it sucks.
Ivy, it doesn't suck. The video is supposed to be light and funny. It's a second degree video and meant to be. We're talking about Eddie Murphy who invited MJ on his song, not about MJ singing 12 solo songs equally in a crappy state that were supposed to be 1st degree serious, not funny.
I don't think it was meant to be. He could have said no. he was recorded in his house in a room. it was low quality from the start. compare it to his cameo in MIB and how different that was.
He could have said no, of course. But he knew it was meant to be just for fun. Again, he could easily make a distinction between funny things and serious job. Where do you situate the Cascio recordings? As a funny and fooling around job or as a serious thing? For my part, the Cascio songs are attempts, but certainly not funny, and far from being perfect regarding MJ's standard at all.
Cascio songs were demos that he was supposed to work on further when he died. So I don't think what was left behind was serious.
The thing is, they do not sound demos and the
voice doesn't sound his. "In the back", "What about us", "Fall again", "Beautiful girl", ... are demos, sound like demos and we clearly hear MJ's voice. Those songs could have been reworked.
Unfortunately, the Cascio songs do not give the same impression neither vocally nor lyrically. So, if they were demos, they should have been released as such. But then again, the voice is not the same as on any other MJ's demo. So why even releasing them at all without having solid proofs to back the claim that they're Michael's at all?
If Michael was alive he could have worked on the songs for 7 years and release a completely different thing. so let's not act like Cascio songs were the songs he left behind ready to be released. they weren't.
But this is our problem, isn't it? They ARE realeased without a single proof that it is MJ singing them. By the way, we're talking about not one two or three questionable songs, but 6 (that I've heard either completely or snippets). There are 6 left to be heard, but am already stressed when I even think of them.
I don't think his career could be jeopardized that easily honestly.
With one song, no. His featuring in "Whatzupwitu" is an example. With 12 songs that don't sound his usual voice singing crappy lyrics and releasing them, would be an embarrassement. And it is, because his friends the Cascios decided to sell those. Don't you think that his posthumous album would have been even more successful without those controversial songs? That's what I call jeopardizing.
again they were going to work on further. what I meant was he could have accepted a song (let's say water) that is lyrically beyond his standards , start working on it to get a feel record demos/guide vocals (cascio songs) and then could have worked on them with professionals for months to years and include in a future album (the one supposed to happen during / after TII) and open the door to Eddie as a "songwriter who worked with Michael".
If he had done that, he'd first of all most probably changed the lyrics and above all
sing the songs. In the state that they have been released we don't know who's the singer. And if the singer is a soundalike on those tracks, maybe they were meant to be sent to MJ to give him an idea what would the songs sound like if MJ sang them.
However, there is still this bitter taste in my ears of hearing other songs or rip offs from YRMW, Keep the faith, Earth song, 2 Bad, etc. And the one that I just can't digest "Let me let go".
and a note: this post is confusing to me because you treat Cascio songs as finished products (ready to be released) that michael left behind and base all your comparisons according to that. I think in reality they should be treated as songs he started but didn't finish artistically.
Even if I compare them to other MJ's demos, they don't match at all. I mean, what is the thing that indicates that those Cascio tracks are demos actually?
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